The basic belief among most born again believers in Jesus Christ is that satan is just as free and active today as in the first century,however as a believer we can bind satan in the name of Jesus. Just a personal story, years ago I was listening to a well know radio preacher tell that he had bound satan while listening to a man curse while speaking when working on his church building. He said the man never said another curse word the rest of the day,he was quick to add that this would work if the man was being pressured by a demon to curse rather than just using curse words because he wanted to. Anyway, it was some time later that I was speaking to a woman who was the wife of a coworker, I did not really know the woman and she was leaning into my car window and just about every other word was a curse word. What the preacher had said come to mind,so in my mind without saying a word, I bound the spirit that was putting pressure on her to curse, as God is my witness folks, right in the middle of a sentence she stopped cursing and though she continued to talk for some time longer she never used another curse word. Praise God, we do have the power in Jesus name to bind demons.
-
-
-
-
-
Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join Hidden in Him and For His Glory for discussions on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/become-a-vessel-of-honor-part-2.112306/
-
-
-
-
H
Hitch
Guest
- Thread starter
- #22
Satan being 'bound' in the sense most often given by futurists as proof it is a future event cannot be fit onto the parable . But then what of futurism can fit Jesus' parables?
30Let both grow together until the harvest:
Would even the most die-hard rapturist claim that Jesus contradicted himself?
30Let both grow together until the harvest:
Would even the most die-hard rapturist claim that Jesus contradicted himself?
Last edited by a moderator:
I am not a futurist or a preterist,I am a student of the bible and practice the most truthful approach I can, when faced with a time element that does not seem to fit as opposed to lying about the most incredible events in the history of the human race...I will admit I do not understand the time element,however I am not going to lie about endtime events that have never taken place.
H
Hitch
Guest
- Thread starter
- #24
Cant fit your version into the parable can you Sam?
H
Hitch
Guest
- Thread starter
- #26
The parable is quoted in the OP and again by Reba in # 20 and you posted # 21.. Only an idiot could have missed it
Dont worry everyone can see that you're hiding
No, Im not going to search out all you have posted on the subject ,I recall that you have said satan is not currently bound citing its activity as proof.
Last edited by a moderator:
Greetings,
Satan is cast out at the timeing of the third "woe" of Revelation.
Satan is bound at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ when the beast and false prophet are thrown into the fire, the rest are killed with the sword (tares bundled up for the fire) the saints are gathered to Him and live and reign with Christ 1000 years (the gathering of the wheat put into the barn)
The tares will be burned at the end of the world, which is after the thousand years when the final tares are gathered, when satan is let loosed for a short while and is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, and those decieved by him at that time are devoured with fire from God out of heaven and the judgement of the dead begins, when death is the last cast into the fire. Which when this is done the earth and heaven passes away and God creates a new heaven and earth, brings forth New Jerusalem and dwells with Christ and the saints forever and ever. Amen.
The scriptures clearly state the tares are bundled for the fire at Christ coming, not cast into the fire, thier prepared.
Those scriptures also clearly state the time of burning is at the end of the world.
Revelations clearly states the end of the world itself happens after the thousand years, at the second judgement, the judgement of the dead, following it we are presented a new heaven and earth, New jerusalem and God dwells among us with Christ forever and ever. Amen.
"Soon" is a refrence to God time, which a thousand years is as of a day and a day as of a thousand years, we are almost in the second day in this language, the mellenium itself will be as if a day to God, but will be a thousand years, that speaking if Christ returned tomorrow from the time that was spoken to the end of the millenium spoken in Revelation that would almost be 3 days in those very words spoken of a little earlier.
This generation shall not pass is a refrence to His generation, His generation is the saints, the church, the church will not pass away until the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, we must all die once, those who remain at His coming will also pass from this flesh into His perfection, they will technically die for a twinkling of an eye, corruption must obtain incorruption at His coming, all must be raised as
He rose, He had to die, we have to die.
There is another generation after His return, during the 1000 years there is clearly another generation, that generation is decieved at the end of the thousand years and is devoured by fire from God out of heaven and will be judged in the great white throne judgement with all the rest of the tares, including those bundled up at Christ's return.
Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Satan is cast out at the timeing of the third "woe" of Revelation.
Satan is bound at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ when the beast and false prophet are thrown into the fire, the rest are killed with the sword (tares bundled up for the fire) the saints are gathered to Him and live and reign with Christ 1000 years (the gathering of the wheat put into the barn)
The tares will be burned at the end of the world, which is after the thousand years when the final tares are gathered, when satan is let loosed for a short while and is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, and those decieved by him at that time are devoured with fire from God out of heaven and the judgement of the dead begins, when death is the last cast into the fire. Which when this is done the earth and heaven passes away and God creates a new heaven and earth, brings forth New Jerusalem and dwells with Christ and the saints forever and ever. Amen.
The scriptures clearly state the tares are bundled for the fire at Christ coming, not cast into the fire, thier prepared.
Those scriptures also clearly state the time of burning is at the end of the world.
Revelations clearly states the end of the world itself happens after the thousand years, at the second judgement, the judgement of the dead, following it we are presented a new heaven and earth, New jerusalem and God dwells among us with Christ forever and ever. Amen.
"Soon" is a refrence to God time, which a thousand years is as of a day and a day as of a thousand years, we are almost in the second day in this language, the mellenium itself will be as if a day to God, but will be a thousand years, that speaking if Christ returned tomorrow from the time that was spoken to the end of the millenium spoken in Revelation that would almost be 3 days in those very words spoken of a little earlier.
This generation shall not pass is a refrence to His generation, His generation is the saints, the church, the church will not pass away until the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, we must all die once, those who remain at His coming will also pass from this flesh into His perfection, they will technically die for a twinkling of an eye, corruption must obtain incorruption at His coming, all must be raised as
He rose, He had to die, we have to die.
There is another generation after His return, during the 1000 years there is clearly another generation, that generation is decieved at the end of the thousand years and is devoured by fire from God out of heaven and will be judged in the great white throne judgement with all the rest of the tares, including those bundled up at Christ's return.
Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
L
Lehigh3
Guest
- Thread starter
- #28
Rev.20:7-10 NKJV,
Satanic Rebellion Crushed
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev.22:6-8 NKJV,
The Time Is Near
6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.†And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.
7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.â€
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
Reiterated from the prologue:
Rev.1:1,
Introduction and Benediction
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
The millennium= AD27-67......satan to gather God's enemies against the true church (a little while) Satan sacked= AD70.
So, the "thousand years" was included in the theme of Revelation to John who was to write the things which he had seen, the things which are, & the things which would take place after (things which must shortly take place)
So, both in Rev. 1 & Rev.22 we are assured that everything in between would be accomplished- including satan's trip to the Lake of Fire!
Satan, who fathered the Jews, (the synagogue of satan Jews) is tormented now & forever- day & night!
Do you believe the Bible?
Satanic Rebellion Crushed
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Rev.22:6-8 NKJV,
The Time Is Near
6 Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.†And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.
7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.â€
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
Reiterated from the prologue:
Rev.1:1,
Introduction and Benediction
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
The millennium= AD27-67......satan to gather God's enemies against the true church (a little while) Satan sacked= AD70.
So, the "thousand years" was included in the theme of Revelation to John who was to write the things which he had seen, the things which are, & the things which would take place after (things which must shortly take place)
So, both in Rev. 1 & Rev.22 we are assured that everything in between would be accomplished- including satan's trip to the Lake of Fire!
Satan, who fathered the Jews, (the synagogue of satan Jews) is tormented now & forever- day & night!
Do you believe the Bible?
No.
The millenium cannot start until after the resurrection, which according to scriptures happens at His second coming, the most plain and simple of this found in 1 corthians 15.
Revelations makes that perfectly clear showing that also the ones who did not take the mark or worship the image "live and reign with christ a thousand years"
That takes anything you said out.
The thousand years isnt begining until the second return, which in your case i know you dont believe in the second return, therefore you also cannot believe in the resurrection of the body, but that is your own conviction, may the Lord's will be done, Paul speaks about those very interpretations.
But even for those who do expect the return of Christ and the resurrection, must note it cannot begin until the return because it specifically notify's the martrys of the tribulation of Revelation, the saints during the time of the beast and false prophet and since we know Christ comes at the end of that tribulation and cast's the beast and false prophet into the fire, the resurrection also comes AT His return and INVOLVES those slain who did not take the mark or worship the beast's image.
So, conclusion:
Tribulation-Martrys of that tribulation+Marked and Worshippers of the beast+Beast and false prophet
(which leads to: )
Return of Christ+destruction of marked and worshippers+Lake of fire for beast and false prophet+Resurrection of the saints (O.T TO the exact time of Christ return)+Live and reign with Christ 1000 years.
The millenium hasent started, the inheritance hasent been given and Christ has not returned yet.
When Christ returns the inheritance will be given and the millenium will begin.
Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
L
Lehigh3
Guest
- Thread starter
- #31
by warfrogs,
Well, one will never learn to decipher a symbolic book if they try to read the symbols & prophecies in a literal sense.
Revelation makes it perfectly clear that the apocalyptic language to describe the literal great tribulation event - is figurative.
Start with logic. Ask yourself, why is there only 1 chapter devoted to a "thousand years" & the rest New Testament - a time of approx 40 yrs. only- there are more than 26 books?
:waving
Well, one will never learn to decipher a symbolic book if they try to read the symbols & prophecies in a literal sense.
Revelation makes it perfectly clear that the apocalyptic language to describe the literal great tribulation event - is figurative.
Start with logic. Ask yourself, why is there only 1 chapter devoted to a "thousand years" & the rest New Testament - a time of approx 40 yrs. only- there are more than 26 books?
:waving
Actually i do know symbolic to literal, not of my own accord, but of His.
You think i think a sword is literally going to come out of His mouth?
In an instant at a Word, all will be slain.
The Holy Spirit makes perfectly clear, there is not only one chapter "devoted" to the thousand years, anything spoken of His deals with the thousand years, His are the ones that live and reign with Him for a thousand years, the rest is what it is, those who are not His, they clearly make thier choice in the end of that thousand years.
It isnt figurative, it will literally happen, God words are true, it just hasent been revealed exactly how its going to go as you read it, i dont see one thing in Revelations that will not occur exactly as His word is spoken.
Actually there is 66 devoted to Him. I belong to Christ Jesus, there is 66 devoted to me, because there is 66 devoted to His.
Nothing has to do with 40 years or 1000 years, all of it has to do with this right here:
"Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be thier God. And God will wipe away every tear from thier eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Which we cannot get but by this:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Glory to the Father and the Son forever and ever. Amen.
They spent alot of time looking into logic when Christ ministered, and the past, but they never heard Him.
Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
L
Lehigh3
Guest
- Thread starter
- #33
The Holy Spirit doesn't lie, so it's not He who is teaching you dispensationalism.
"You" as in warfrogs, were not a "martyr" who is addressed in Rev.20 as sitting on thrones (figuratively of course - as judges over the 12 tribes of Israel)
66 what? books in the N.T. ? I think you didn't read my post correctly.
And the great tribulation literally did happen. The apostles & 1st Christians gave their lives for you (& me ) - but it is grieving how some make it seem to have been in vain.
"In an instant, at a Word, all will be slain"
Get real & maybe the love of God will outshine such false prophecy!
"You" as in warfrogs, were not a "martyr" who is addressed in Rev.20 as sitting on thrones (figuratively of course - as judges over the 12 tribes of Israel)
66 what? books in the N.T. ? I think you didn't read my post correctly.
And the great tribulation literally did happen. The apostles & 1st Christians gave their lives for you (& me ) - but it is grieving how some make it seem to have been in vain.
"In an instant, at a Word, all will be slain"
Get real & maybe the love of God will outshine such false prophecy!
No not at all? weird Christ rises all who are His at His coming, i am standing before those thrones, not literally now, but i will be and judgement will be made through all the good and bad ive done in this body, but i have a Redeemer, Christ Jesus.
So that puts me right with the martrys, because we are all the body and we are always with the Head of the body, He leaves no part of the body seperated from the rest.
I will be with Him and them for the thousand years.
Glory and honor and praise to God and the Lord Jesus Christ!
No you tried to say that 26 chapters were in revelance to 40 years and i told you 66 books/letters within the bible were in revelance to Christ and the fullfillment of the scripture i gave you.
The great tribulation did not happen. The Apostles did not give thier lives for me, they gave thier lives to thier Master and fullfilled His commandment of them, which is right beside me and in me.
They died doing what He commanded and guided them to do, they served His purpose on earth and the fruits of His labour through them continues even almost 2,000 years later.
Get real? i am as real as they come and i hope you realise that soon, may it be so through the Lord Jesus Christ.
You laugh that i say He will kill all with a word from His mouth? yet you claim to believe He died and rose in 3 days?
Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Last edited by a moderator:
Read the bible just like you would any book and believe what it is saying and you will be able to climb out of that false teaching you are chin deep in. By symbolizing places in the bible you have created a bible that suits your taste but that is vomit in the mouth of God.
E
Elijah674
Guest
- Thread starter
- #36
Just wondering if you know that it was un/inspired man that divided up the books chapters numbers + periods & comas?
--Elijah
L
Lehigh3
Guest
- Thread starter
- #37
Yes, I know that friend. Just like uninspired so-called church "fathers" wrote the creeds!
And I was just wondering if you know the 2nd Elijah had come even before Christ started preaching?
If you just like the name or it is your name, then that is different. But if you are waiting for Elijah to reappear (as some dispy's claim) then I wonder where your faith is at.
:
L
Lehigh3
Guest
- Thread starter
- #38
I disagree. That is why your imagination got the best of your interpretations. Faith comes by hearing & hearing the word of God.
And understanding the Bible comes from good teachers about FAITH & not end times.
Preaching & teaching the good news (& so reading it also) is what pleases God. Not spreading false prophecies for money!
I think those who do should tell satan to get another job!!
You call Jesus Lord but you take a way contrary to what He taught,if you were really following Jesus Christ then you and I would agree on most things. I follow no leader but Christ and His word and I know the word just about as good as any man,you are not following the Christ of the bible,I wish you would take another look at God and the bible while there is still time. Do you have a salvation experience where you were born again? Probably not,if so please be so kind as to share it.I disagree. That is why your imagination got the best of your interpretations. Faith comes by hearing & hearing the word of God.
And understanding the Bible comes from good teachers about FAITH & not end times.
Preaching & teaching the good news (& so reading it also) is what pleases God. Not spreading false prophecies for money!
I think those who do should tell satan to get another job!!
Didn't think you could do it. Another one bites the dust.The parable is quoted in the OP and again by Reba in # 20 and you posted # 21.. Only an idiot could have missed it
Dont worry everyone can see that you're hiding
No, Im not going to search out all you have posted on the subject ,I recall that you have said satan is not currently bound citing its activity as proof.