SatanBound

[Lehigh3]

You call Jesus Lord but you take a way contrary to what He taught,if you were really following Jesus Christ then you and I would agree on most things. I follow no leader but Christ and His word and I know the word just about as good as any man,you are not following the Christ of the bible,I wish you would take another look at God and the bible while there is still time. Do you have a salvation experience where you were born again? Probably not,if so please be so kind as to share it.

"Contrary to what He taught?" I think that is where the creeds became destructive - bc Jesus said in many passages to His then audience the same timing - the same fulfillment- the same Preterism - every time.

Matt.18:27-28,
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

No matter how much you deny it- Preterism is the answer. Jesus was not a false prophet.

 

[Elijah674]

"Contrary to what He taught?" I think that is where the creeds became destructive - bc Jesus said in many passages to His then audience the same timing - the same fulfillment- the same Preterism - every time.

Matt.18:27-28,
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

No matter how much you deny it- Preterism is the answer. Jesus was not a false prophet.

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You say what??
No matter how much you deny it- Preterism is the answer. Jesus was not a false prophet.[/QUOTE]

OK: Mods, please understand that this is NOTHING Personal. But the [post] has stated above that because we say that the [post is BRAIN DEAD], we are calling the Master 'a false prophet'! And one talks of 2 Cor. 4:2??

I suggest that this posting places in plain view where anyone on this forum has ever even HINTED SUCH as that the Master was a [FALSE PROPHET?]

OK: The prophecy must come about that is Prophesied in Matt. 24:21-26! 'i' still find it hard how anyone could actually believe preterism??? And DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT?? It just must be the 'great sign's and wonders' + excitement, that will do this. But God does say that He will send STRONG DELUSIONS THAT THEY WILL [BELIEVE] A LIE!

So you Elect ONES, this is just one more thing that you ARE SEEING TAKING PLACE! It is very hard to understand this Prophesied Prophecy, but right before your eyes it is taking place! (and the wonder working miracles of satan's Gen. 4:7's desirees are sure to follow!) 2 Thess. 2:9

--Elijah

 

[Lehigh3]

by Elijah,

OK: The prophecy must come about that is Prophesied in Matt. 24:21-26! 'i' still find it hard how anyone could actually believe preterism??? And DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT??

Study some history & you will not find it "hard to believe."

For example: We today are not "the elect" in Matt. 24:21-26! The apostles & disciples of THAT generation were the "ELECT"

And trust me, they weren't deceived. Do you think they were deceived Elijah?

 

[Elijah674]

by Elijah,


Study some history & you will not find it "hard to believe."

For example: We today are not "the elect" in Matt. 24:21-26! The apostles & disciples of THAT generation were the "ELECT"

And trust me, they weren't deceived. Do you think they were deceived Elijah?

I finally find one thing that 'i' agree with your post on, [we] as in 'two' are not the elect.

--Elijah

 

[Lehigh3]

I finally find one thing that 'i' agree with your post on, [we] as in 'two' are not the elect.

--Elijah

Trust me, you're NOT the elect either in Matt.24. Grow up & mature in the faith Elijah!

 

[Sam21]

"Contrary to what He taught?" I think that is where the creeds became destructive - bc Jesus said in many passages to His then audience the same timing - the same fulfillment- the same Preterism - every time.

Matt.18:27-28,
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

No matter how much you deny it- Preterism is the answer. Jesus was not a false prophet.

Jesus is the answer and preterism is a false doctrine. You are rejecting just about everything the Spirit has given the church except the time element. No doubt in my mind that you are preaching another Jesus,another gospel, and lead by another spirit. If you really do know the Lord then share your salvation experience.

 

[warhorse]

"Contrary to what He taught?" I think that is where the creeds became destructive - bc Jesus said in many passages to His then audience the same timing - the same fulfillment- the same Preterism - every time.

Matt.18:27-28,
27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

No matter how much you deny it- Preterism is the answer. Jesus was not a false prophet.

Jesus was not a false prophet, nor is preterism the answer. John witnessed the return as it was reveiled to him at patmos over and over again, to write the book of revelation.

 

[Hitch]

Didn't think you could do it. Another one bites the dust.

So you're now saying that the binding of the enemy is not understood as rendering it inoperative, you're learning.

 

[Lehigh3]

Jesus is the answer and preterism is a false doctrine. You are rejecting just about everything the Spirit has given the church except the time element. No doubt in my mind that you are preaching another Jesus,another gospel, and lead by another spirit. If you really do know the Lord then share your salvation experience.

"Salvation" experience? Salvation is a process, friend. Conversion is a 1 time experience in most cases!

And the Holy Spirit doesn't lie. Mans interpretations of the prophetic writers in the Holy writ are the source of their confusion.

God is not the maker of confusion. Renew your spirit-mind & intellectually defend your position both Biblically & historically!

And you are the one rejecting the MAIN ELEMENT of eschatology (inspired by holy men as they were carried along...)

The TIME ELEMENT! And Jesus' & the Father's words!

Now who has another Bible?

My faith is way up there, friend - so don't think God is bothered - nor this child of God.

Got it ?, get it?, good!

 

[Elijah674]

"Salvation" experience? Salvation is a process, friend. Conversion is a 1 time experience in most cases!

And the Holy Spirit doesn't lie. Mans interpretations of the prophetic writers in the Holy writ are the source of their confusion.

God is not the maker of confusion. Renew your spirit-mind & intellectually defend your position both Biblically & historically!

And you are the one rejecting the MAIN ELEMENT of eschatology (inspired by holy men as they were carried along...)

The TIME ELEMENT! And Jesus' & the Father's words!

Now who has another Bible?

My faith is way up there, friend - so don't think God is bothered - nor this child of God.

Got it ?, get it?, good!

The Bible say's 'the devil's believe & tremble.' Which means that they have brains, right? 'nor this child of God' as you say,
and confusion?? what does that have to do with the topic.. 'satan Bound???

--Elijah

 

[Lehigh3]

The Bible say's 'the devil's believe & tremble.' Which means that they have brains, right? 'nor this child of God' as you say,
and confusion?? what does that have to do with the topic.. 'satan Bound???

--Elijah

Oh that's funny! Yea, someone has brains, it's true. Could you even quote the Scripture COHERENTLY?
Jm.2:19 says "demons believe & tremble."
Yes, & Christ chased some demons into a herd of pigs too after they begged Him not to throw them into the abyss (before the time)

Yes, Satan & demons were quite active in the N.T. time. Yet Satan was still bound from letting the nations receive the gospel.

Also the Bible says the 7th angel emptied his vial into the "air" Air was where those rulers of that Mosaic age were described to be - "principalities in the heavenlies."

And an additional witness that Satan & demons ceased at the end of that wicked age is Satan in Rev.20 going into the L.O.F. & Zech.13,
1 “In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.
2 “It shall be in that day,†says the LORD of hosts, “that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they shall no longer be remembered. I will also cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to depart from the land.

Remember, this here is not just one day. It's the whole N.T. time when Israel was once again in the wilderness & God gave them 40 yrs. to merge with Christianity.- or else. (He would curse the land= AD70)

 

[Hitch]

Cant fit your version into the parable can you Sam?[/QUOTEQuote the parable and then quote where I did not fit my version into the parable...if you can.

Originally Posted by Sam21
If you are preterist there are no "satanic forces",satan was bound,remember...it appears that you are just messing with people..do you even know where you stand?


Emphasis added.2

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

The most important thing that must be established as we consider the binding of the satan mentioned in Revelation is just WHO or WHAT the satan mentioned is. We cannot simply take for granted that this text is a reference to man's arch enemy as we can see in various scriptures, a satan can be ANY opposer or adversary. (Just ask those who even today believe that America is the "Great Satan").
With that said, one could make a very viable argument that the satan spoken of could be representative of the enemy of the Holy ones. If this is so, both Jerusalem and the empire of Rome fit the bill as both made war with the saints during the mid 1st century.

 

[Hitch]

Actually the point of this thread is to show Jesus explaining that the enemy would be active throughout the history of the kingdom and therefor what ever the 'binding' is must conform to our Lord's interpretation.

 

[Elijah674]

Oh that's funny! Yea, someone has brains, it's true. Could you even quote the Scripture COHERENTLY?
Jm.2:19 says "demons believe & tremble."
Yes, & Christ chased some demons into a herd of pigs too after they begged Him not to throw them into the abyss (before the time)

Yes, Satan & demons were quite active in the N.T. time. Yet Satan was still bound from letting the nations receive the gospel.

Also the Bible says the 7th angel emptied his vial into the "air" Air was where those rulers of that Mosaic age were described to be - "principalities in the heavenlies."

And an additional witness that Satan & demons ceased at the end of that wicked age is Satan in Rev.20 going into the L.O.F. & Zech.13,
1 “In that day a fountain shall be opened for the house of David and for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, for sin and for uncleanness.
2 “It shall be in that day,†says the LORD of hosts, “that I will cut off the names of the idols from the land, and they shall no longer be remembered. I will also cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to depart from the land.

Remember, this here is not just one day. It's the whole N.T. time when Israel was once again in the wilderness & God gave them 40 yrs. to merge with Christianity.- or else. (He would curse the land= AD70)

Again! This thread is about satan being BOUND. Read your post? Surely he is not bound now as you post!

And you say: 'Remember, this here is not just one day. It's the whole N.T. time when Israel was once again in the wilderness & God gave them 40 yrs. to merge with Christianity.- or else. (He would curse the land= AD70)'

--Elijah

 

[Lehigh3]

Again! This thread is about satan being BOUND. Read your post? Surely he is not bound now as you post!

And you say: 'Remember, this here is not just one day. It's the whole N.T. time when Israel was once again in the wilderness & God gave them 40 yrs. to merge with Christianity.- or else. (He would curse the land= AD70)'

--Elijah

Surely he is not bound "now?" He's totally bound now (more like destroyed!)

But what the H - what a wonderful day for an exorcism!

 

[Lehigh3]

I have to disagree with you Hitch on your O.P. And I must correct my own post about even the Parable of the Sower (Matt.13) being an exception to the "temporal" parables Jesus alluded to.

All of the parables are temporal. When I noted "satan comes and takes away the word in his heart"-- I realized that Jesus was addressing the Jews exclusively in the context & indeed spoke to "them" in Parables.

Satan cannot affect one who is in the kingdom of God. And even to those outside- his evil is just an influence- bc Christ met with Satan incarnate. That means Satan is only an influence in the world today- & there can be no demons or their leader on earth or in the heavenlies - to enter into ANYONE from an external source!

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The Binding of Satan | eschatology.org

 

[n2thelight]

Satan being 'bound' in the sense most often given by futurists as proof it is a future event cannot be fit onto the parable . But then what of futurism can fit Jesus' parables?

30Let both grow together until the harvest:


Would even the most die-hard rapturist claim that Jesus contradicted himself?

Don't believe in a rapture but will tell you why satan being bound is future.....

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh ad blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

When satan is bound for the 1000 years,the above verses we will not have to worry about....As it stands now we do......

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

 

[Sam21]

Don't believe in a rapture but will tell you why satan being bound is future.....

Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil."

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh ad blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

When satan is bound for the 1000 years,the above verses we will not have to worry about....As it stands now we do......

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

One cannot use scripture on preterists because they void out scripture by saying it was only for the jews of that time, so they have created the perfect religion(it does what WE tell it to)and it is a pleasant ride all the way into hades.

 

[Hitch]

One cannot use scripture on preterists because they void out scripture by saying it was only for the jews of that time, so they have created the perfect religion(it does what WE tell it to)and it is a pleasant ride all the way into hades.

If I posted trolling like that it would have been moderated:toofunny