Say NO to the Census

[Biblereader]

Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsDhkPym01k

What you are and are not required to answer for the census.

 

[Spectator]

From what I observed.

They ask about disabilities, food stamps, income, number of chilldren, etc.

So they can have better estimates on how to improve certain areas.


If everyone stopped giving this information, then the government would have no numbers or percentages to work with when they go to figure out witch areas would benefit with more handicapped expenses, where to increase funding for food stamps, where to decrease funding.


In short, if we want any form of government aid ( welfare, Medicaid, Social Security, banks, food stamps, educational facilities, state government planning for parks, homeless shelters, adoption shelters, etc.) They need this information.

 

[Nick]

From what I observed.

They ask about disabilities, food stamps, income, number of chilldren, etc.

So they can have better estimates on how to improve certain areas.


If everyone stopped giving this information, then the government would have no numbers or percentages to work with when they go to figure out witch areas would benefit with more handicapped expenses, where to increase funding for food stamps, where to decrease funding.


In short, if we want any form of government aid ( welfare, Medicaid, Social Security, banks, food stamps, educational facilities, state government planning for parks, homeless shelters, adoption shelters, etc.) They need this information.

That is what I thought when I watched the video as well.

In regards to what they're doing is (apparantly) against the US consitution...I"m not sure if he's twisting it to make it seem like it or maybe it actually is against the consittuion. If it is...then I would say that the constitution in that part is a bit silly and possibly needs revising.

 

[GojuBrian]

If it is...then I would say that the constitution in that part is a bit silly and possibly needs revising.

And this is where it starts! :mad

NO, the Constitution doesn't need revising. The constitution needs to be observed more, not less. I'm not picking on you Nick, but people's freedoms are more important here. The government doesn't have the right to invade our privacies like that at all!

Having said that, feel free to give what information you are comfortable with. The census isn't some kind of government conspiracy against common folks. Don't we have enough paranoia going around?

I'll tell them what I feel comfortable with them knowing and nothing more.

 

[Biblereader]

No, they don't need this information. Don't believe the LIES they're telling you.

From what I observed.

They ask about disabilities, food stamps, income, number of chilldren, etc.

So they can have better estimates on how to improve certain areas.


If everyone stopped giving this information, then the government would have no numbers or percentages to work with when they go to figure out witch areas would benefit with more handicapped expenses, where to increase funding for food stamps, where to decrease funding.


In short, if we want any form of government aid ( welfare, Medicaid, Social Security, banks, food stamps, educational facilities, state government planning for parks, homeless shelters, adoption shelters, etc.) They need this information.

 

[Biblereader]

I have a sister in law who is doing the census this year, and she agreed, we don't have to answer ANYTHING but how many people live in the house or apt. Since she says that, doesn't that logically tell you that NO THEY DON"T NEED THAT OTHER INFORMATION. It isn't paranoia, to want to protect what privacy you have left.
The constitution does not need changes. It's sickening, how many people are just rolling along, not standing up for freedom. It makes me sick.

If it is...then I would say that the constitution in that part is a bit silly and possibly needs revising.

And this is where it starts! :mad

NO, the Constitution doesn't need revising. The constitution needs to be observed more, not less. I'm not picking on you Nick, but people's freedoms are more important here. The government doesn't have the right to invade our privacies like that at all!

Having said that, feel free to give what information you are comfortable with. The census isn't some kind of government conspiracy against common folks. Don't we have enough paranoia going around?

I'll tell them what I feel comfortable with them knowing and nothing more.

 

[Spectator]

Its not us rolling along with the changes and accepting everything that comes our way.

What it is, is that some of us give out this information to better run society. I keep hearing from all sides to stop listening to the lies. I'm tired of this crap, and frankly I'm not going to spend my life hiding from an imaginary big brother conspiracy. I watch what the government dose, but its not evil. We are the government, not some shadow people that wring their hands. Its us.


I've spent to much time researching where I stand to let someone scare me with unfounded, open ended nonsense. I'm still free, the government knowing how much I make a year, and weather or not I'm accepting their aid dosen't change that. The private sector scares me more then the government. The government needs representation in order to order me around. Corporation don't. ;)

 

[Nick]

No, they don't need the information, but if we gave them more information it can help them in looking at the demographics of an area. I personally don't have a problem with giving a government agency the kind of information required in a census. If people withold information, then all these statistics that we come up with like 40% of Americans say they are Christians (hypothetical) then that figure is false. So can be the results of elections, given that people don't have to vote.

I always find it amusing to find that Americans in general seem to hold the constitution at an almost Biblical level, and almost die of heart-attack when someone kindly suggests that parts of it could need revising.

But anyway, it comes down to personal preference in the end.

 

[Ken R]

Government already has all the answers to their census ?'s.
The actual foot-work of taking a census is to have a hard copy
paper trail to reverence back too.

Not taking the census doesn't mean you are keeping the government
from knowing something.

 

[GojuBrian]

[youtube:2moqjiha]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsDhkPym01k[/youtube:2moqjiha]

 

[jasoncran]

nick, that's why we havent changed upteen billion times like many other countries, we got it right and have generally kept it right. the amendments are those changes.

how many times has the magna carta and the laws of the england been revised? they are revamping their court system after ours!

 

[Spectator]

The US is a young country, so comparing the amount of changes to the Magna Carta to the Constitution is not as relevant. Especially since the United States was molded after tried methods experimented in Europe. Plus the United states has had some massive changes in its constitution since its creation.

Segregation, Slavery, The right to sign Contracts, Search and Seizure, Myranda, Speech, Religion, Gather, Press, Bear arms, workers rights, the right to protest, Minimum wage, Double Jeopardy, The worth of Black men and women, Woman's rights, Gay and transgenders rights, The right to a trial, Innocent until proven guilty, No cruel or unusual punishment, The right to vote,Child Labor laws.

These were all major changes in our history, especially after the articles of confederation fell through.

 

[jasoncran]

The US is a young country, so comparing the amount of changes to the Magna Carta to the Constitution is not as relevant. Especially since the United States was molded after tried methods experimented in Europe. Plus the United states has had some massive changes in its constitution since its creation.

Segregation, Slavery, The right to sign Contracts, Search and Seizure, Myranda, Speech, Religion, Gather, Press, Bear arms, workers rights, the right to protest, Minimum wage, Double Jeopardy, The worth of Black men and women, Woman's rights, Gay and transgenders rights, The right to a trial, Innocent until proven guilty, No cruel or unusual punishment, The right to vote,Child Labor laws.

These were all major changes in our history, especially after the articles of confederation fell through.

gay rights aren't in the constitution,gays cant adopt in florida nor marry.min wage and the child labor laws neither are in the constution but are constitutional.

of course, then we do have abridged rights for some in the u.s. If you want to know that group i will tell you.

 

[Biblereader]

No, they don't need the information, but if we gave them more information it can help them in looking at the demographics of an area. I personally don't have a problem with giving a government agency the kind of information required in a census. If people withold information, then all these statistics that we come up with like 40% of Americans say they are Christians (hypothetical) then that figure is false. So can be the results of elections, given that people don't have to vote.

I always find it amusing to find that Americans in general seem to hold the constitution at an almost Biblical level, and almost die of heart-attack when someone kindly suggests that parts of it could need revising.

But anyway, it comes down to personal preference in the end.

Freedom and liberty, which are part of the Constitution, and which liberals like you, want to take away, and make America nothing but a rag, are something worth getting upset about, when liberals want to
force their communist ways on us.
Let me ask you, how much of your money will you give me? I'm not going to do anything to earn it, either, but, I will be by your house, to collect.
Also, I think your house is too big for your family. I'm going to move in, and you can have one bedroom to yourself. You will share the rest of the house with me and my 10 family members.
And, you will share your food with me.
Sound good to you?

 

[Biblereader]

The US is a young country, so comparing the amount of changes to the Magna Carta to the Constitution is not as relevant. Especially since the United States was molded after tried methods experimented in Europe. Plus the United states has had some massive changes in its constitution since its creation.

Segregation, Slavery, The right to sign Contracts, Search and Seizure, Myranda, Speech, Religion, Gather, Press, Bear arms, workers rights, the right to protest, Minimum wage, Double Jeopardy, The worth of Black men and women, Woman's rights, Gay and transgenders rights, The right to a trial, Innocent until proven guilty, No cruel or unusual punishment, The right to vote,Child Labor laws.

These were all major changes in our history, especially after the articles of confederation fell through.

Some changes were ok, but, as usual, the liberals, the democrats, are and have taken it too far, with such things as gays having the same rights and priviledges as married people. No.
They have brainwashed people like you into believing that their private sexual problems are now ok, and it's bad to say anything against them.
They are FORCING their sick agenda onto innocent little children, in schools. This is what I mean by the liberals taking it all too far.
You won't be happy with a few adjustments, you want to erase personal freedoms off the face of the earth, and you want to make everyone equally mediocre.
Sick, sick, sick.

 

[Kristaok]

I'm definitely not doing the Census, not into the whole NWO full Government control stuff.

 

[Spectator]

Some changes were ok, but, as usual, the liberals, the democrats, are and have taken it too far,

Same as the Republicans. Both sides abuse their power. I'm not going to get into a bipartisan semantics argument about witch party is better, when both have been equally bad.

with such things as gays having the same rights and privileges as married people. No.

Its their business and the states business and I won't argue something like this right now. Especially since this thread has nothing to do with that.

They have brainwashed people like you into believing that their private sexual problems are now ok, and it's bad to say anything against them.

They? I have gay friends. They didn't brain wash me, and I see no reason why they can't get their own religions ceremonies, or state recognized unions. I've talked with them about Jesus, but in the end its there choice weather or not they accept him. The only brain washing I've seen, is those who refuse to leave them alone, or treat them equal under the law.

They are FORCING their sick agenda onto innocent little children, in schools. This is what I mean by the liberals taking it all too far.

No one is forcing anyone to do anything, accept the ones who refuse to leave them alone and restrict their liberties.

You won't be happy with a few adjustments, you want to erase personal freedoms off the face of the earth, and you want to make everyone equally mediocre.
Sick, sick, sick.

Wait, why are you attacking me? I'm not a liberal, or democrat. You barely know anything about me, aside from a few posts. I respect everyone's personal freedoms, and that is why I stand for the constitution and only want it changed if its absolutely necessary. I am deeply offended that you went after me like that and blamed me for things I didn't or currently doing. Is this how you treat people in real life?

 

[Nick]

Freedom and liberty, which are part of the Constitution, and which liberals like you, want to take away, and make America nothing but a rag, are something worth getting upset about, when liberals want to force their communist ways on us.

Ahhh.....no. I don't support communism, or even most of socialism. I consider myself a centrist who leans either way depending on the sistuation, but I'm probably more of a left centrist. I much prefer the American system as it is now than any communist system such as China or North Korea.

Let me ask you, how much of your money will you give me? I'm not going to do anything to earn it, either, but, I will be by your house, to collect.
Also, I think your house is too big for your family. I'm going to move in, and you can have one bedroom to yourself. You will share the rest of the house with me and my 10 family members.
And, you will share your food with me.
Sound good to you?

No of course it doesn't sound good to me - I don't support communism either.

I find it quite amusing that since I suggested that it would be a good idea to supply the government with as much information as one is confortable with (but I'm leaning more towards giving them more information) and suggested that possibly some parts of the consittuion or the ammendments could be considered for revision, I am suddenly a communist? If you answer yes, then do you really know what communism is?

 

[jasoncran]

let's keep this from a gay rights debate. i dont want to go into that.

 

[GojuBrian]

No, they don't need the information, but if we gave them more information it can help them in looking at the demographics of an area. I personally don't have a problem with giving a government agency the kind of information required in a census. If people withold information, then all these statistics that we come up with like 40% of Americans say they are Christians (hypothetical) then that figure is false. So can be the results of elections, given that people don't have to vote.

I always find it amusing to find that Americans in general seem to hold the constitution at an almost Biblical level, and almost die of heart-attack when someone kindly suggests that parts of it could need revising.

But anyway, it comes down to personal preference in the end.

I find it disturbing when people from other countries where they have less rights and freedoms suggest that we need to change the very thing that helps us keep ours. They have no idea what they are talking about!

They want to change or "revise" OUR constitution when they don't even know what it is or what it does. Change part of it and where does it end? THe constitution protects us from corrupt government, like everyone else out there's countries.