Scarifies

[for_his_glory]

>>>If Jesus was sent to fix what Adam did, don't you think he will mention Adam name once?

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

This was the first blood sacrifice made by God to cover our sin as Jesus was the last blood sacrirfice to cover our sin as in the First Adam and everyone after him

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Behold the Lamb of God from before the foundation of the world like Adam who first sinned against God and the first to receive a blood sacrifice for his sin.

Romans 5:12-21; 1 Corinthians 5:22; 15:47 are just a few scriptures that Jesus alludes to Adam and Eve only indirectly.

Why then Satan helped Judas to make the decision and betray Jesus? (John 13:27)

Satan did not help Judas, but entered into Judas to betray and sell out Christ for money. Judas had a greedy heart and even stole from the treasury. Judas was also a part of God's plan of salvation through Christ Jesus.

I am aware of the majority of Christian been told Jesus must die to replace the animal sacrifices, but this not true. God never command or ask for human blood, but the opposite He condemn such practice.
Q: can God condemn a practice and allowed it at the same time?
Can you trust a doctor who tells you to quit smoking and he have a cigarette in his mouth?
Animal sacrifices were only and only for small sins committed unknowingly as penalty..

Go back and read Genesis 3:21 as it was God that created the first blood sacrifice. God never condemned animal sacrifices, but through Christ Jesus He gave Him as a ransom for our sin being the last blood sacrifice as a means of deliverance from punishement for sin, 1Timothy 2:5-6.

God required animal sacrifices to provide a temporary covering of sin and to foreshadow the perfect and complete sacrifice of Christ Jesus for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Genesis 3:21; Leviticus 4; 5:10; Hebrews 9:22

BTW, Lev 4:32 And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.

 

[Hopeful 2]

>>>If a Lamb, chicken, dove or money it was used only for certain sins called (unintentional sins), as penalty.
No sin offering to sins committed knowingly.


>>>Female?

>>>Priest must make the offering, not the Roman.
Please scroll down to verse 7 and see, Lamb was NOT the only animal to be used as offering.

>>>Couple verses down John claimed, he knows him not.

I notice you are not a believer, so let's get to the point...Why are you here ?

 

[for_his_glory]

I notice you are not a believer, so let's get to the point...Why are you here ?

We have other members that click no, they are not a Christian, but yet everyone is welcomed to become a member of CF. There have been many that have come here end up becoming Spiritually born again so please do not ask what is a members intention when one does not present itself. Because of how the word Christian has been so tainted by man I would rather call my self a Spiritually born again child of God indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Hopeful 2]

We have other members that click no, they are not a Christian, but yet everyone is welcomed to become a member of CF. There have been many that have come here end up becoming Spiritually born again so please do not ask what is a members intention when one does not present itself. Because of how the word Christian has been so tainted by man I would rather call my self a Spiritually born again child of God indwelled with the Holy Spirit.

If there ever seemed to be an answer to my posts, instead of the same thing written over and over...
They are welcome, but they gotta quit spinning their tires !

 

[for_his_glory]

If there ever seemed to be an answer to my posts, instead of the same thing written over and over...
They are welcome, but they gotta quit spinning their tires !

Not sure what you mean by spinning their Tires?

 

[Tempo]

I notice you are not a believer, so let's get to the point...Why are you here ?

>>>To learn from you and others and form my own opinion. Its normal to disagree.
BTW, everyone is a believer.

 

[Tempo]

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

This was the first blood sacrifice made by God to cover our sin as Jesus was the last blood sacrirfice to cover our sin as in the First Adam and everyone after him

>>> nowhere written that God offer a scarifies.
If He did, to whom He offer it?
In my opinion, God taught them how to slaughter animals and use their meat to eat and their skin to dress.

Romans 5:12-21; 1 Corinthians 5:22; 15:47 are just a few scriptures that Jesus alludes to Adam and Eve only indirectly.

>>>You mean Paul?

Satan did not help Judas, but entered into Judas to betray and sell out Christ for money. Judas had a greedy heart and even stole from the treasury. Judas was also a part of God's plan of salvation through Christ Jesus.

>>>Jesus taught; Satan doesn't fight against himself. (Matt. 12:26) So, if Jesus was sent to defeat Satan, why Satan helped Judas to plot against Jesus?

Go back and read Genesis 3:21 as it was God that created the first blood sacrifice. God never condemned animal sacrifices

>>>Jer. 7:22
Ps. 51:16
Hosea 6:6
Isaiah 66:3
And too many more of God dissatisfy of such practice.

, but through Christ Jesus He gave Him as a ransom for our sin being the last blood sacrifice as a means of deliverance from punishement for sin, 1Timothy 2:5-

>>>Ransom? to whom?
You give ransom only if you're powerless to the one who demand a ransom, make sense?
But we been told by God, Satan powerless compared to us.

6.

God required animal sacrifices to provide a temporary covering of sin and to foreshadow the perfect and complete sacrifice of Christ Jesus for without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Genesis 3:21; Leviticus 4; 5:10; Hebrews 9:22

>>>Animals sacrifices were only for (unintentional sins) for small, tiny sins committed by ignorant.
Besides, why you ignore the flour, the money, the gold...all were commanded to atone for sins?

BTW, Lev 4:32 And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish.

>>>Jesus was a male.
Please, please read verse 2 of the same chapter, (through ignorant) only, no blood needed for other sins.
Proverbs 21:3
To do righteousness and justice is more desirable to the LORD than sacrifice.

Ecclesiastes 12:13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.

 

[Hopeful 2]

>>>To learn from you and others and form my own opinion. Its normal to disagree.
BTW, everyone is a believer.

I agree with your POV, but it is what, or how much one believes that makes the biggest difference in the life of men.
What do you believe ?
What is the source of your belief ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

BTW, everyone is a believer.

If they were believers, they would obey Him.
He has told mankind what is going to happen to the disobedient, but the disobedient don't believe He is speaking the truth.

 

[Tempo]

What is the source of your belief ?

>>>I never quote any other book beside what you have between your hands.

Ecclesiastes 12:13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.

 

[Hopeful 2]

>>>I never quote any other book beside what you have between your hands.

Ecclesiastes 12:13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.

Have you been told yet that you can live without sin ?

 

[for_his_glory]

>>> nowhere written that God offer a scarifies.
If He did, to whom He offer it?
In my opinion, God taught them how to slaughter animals and use their meat to eat and their skin to dress.

Genesis 3:21 was the first blood sacrifice for atonement of man's sin as God would have had to kill an animal in order to use its skin for clothing as He covered Adam and Eve's shame. This is also symbolic of the same blood sacrifice for sin in that of the death of Christ as we are covered by the blood of Christ that has redeemed us from our sin to all who will believe in Him and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior.

>>>You mean Paul?

Yes, Paul wrote his Epistles, but only through what he learned from the doctrines of what Christ taught while He was here on earth.

>>>Jesus taught; Satan doesn't fight against himself. (Matt. 12:26) So, if Jesus was sent to defeat Satan, why Satan helped Judas to plot against Jesus?

Exactly as Satan can not fight against himself, but he used Judas in order to try and silence Jesus by having Him put to death thinking he would have victory over Him if he could be silenced. Judas in all reality being that he was a theif from the beginning was easily used by Satan. Satan will be defeated in the end when he is cast into the lake of fire, but for now we have victory in Christ over Satan.

>>>Jer. 7:22

Ps. 51:16
Hosea 6:6
Isaiah 66:3
And too many more of God dissatisfy of such practice.

God provided animal sacrifices as a temporary covering with the first one He provided in Genesis 3:21 as this was a foreshadow to the perfect and complete sacrifice Jesus, Leviticus 4:35; 5:10. Scripture says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness, Hebrews 9:22. God gave explicit instructions in numerous animal sacrifices like that of Leviticus 16. To give just one verse without the full context can make anyone think differently from that of the whole context.

>>>Ransom? to whom?
You give ransom only if you're powerless to the one who demand a ransom, make sense?
But we been told by God, Satan powerless compared to us.

>>>Animals sacrifices were only for (unintentional sins) for small, tiny sins committed by ignorant.
Besides, why you ignore the flour, the money, the gold...all were commanded to atone for sins?

There is no such thing as unintentional sin no matter how small it might seem to be as sin is sin and the wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. Where in scripture does it say flour, money and gold were commanded to atone for sin?

>>>Jesus was a male.
Please, please read verse 2 of the same chapter, (through ignorant) only, no blood needed for other sins.
Proverbs 21:3
To do righteousness and justice is more desirable to the LORD than sacrifice.

Ecclesiastes 12:13
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.

Of course to do righteousness and justice is more desirable then sinning as it is not our own righteousness, but that of God's righteousness found in us and obeying His commands.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[Tempo]

Genesis 3:21 was the first blood sacrifice for atonement of man's sin as God would have had to kill an animal in order to use its skin for clothing as He covered Adam and Eve's shame. This is also symbolic of the same blood sacrifice for sin in that of the death of Christ as we are covered by the blood of Christ that has redeemed us from our sin to all who will believe in Him and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior.

>>>I am amazed how do you read the text which have none of what you said.

Genesis 3:21​

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King James Version​

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21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins and clothed them.​

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Where you see: blood sacrifices?​

Where you see atonement?​

Where you see Christ blood?​

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Yes, Paul wrote his Epistles, but only through what he learned from the doctrines of what Christ taught while He was here on earth.

>>>Paul was not there at that time of Jesus. he came later on after Jesus left.

Exactly as Satan cannot fight against himself, but he used Judas in order to try and silence Jesus by having Him put to death thinking he would have victory over Him if he could be silenced. Judas in all reality being that he was a theif from the beginning was easily used by Satan. Satan will be defeated in the end when he is cast into the lake of fire,

>>>If the death of Jesus a victory over Satan, then why Satan participated in the killing if we all know he doesn't work against himself?

but for now we have victory in Christ over Satan.

>>>Sinning still around, we all are doing it all the time. Nothing changes, Satan still alive, healthy and claim victory over us.

God provided animal sacrifices as a temporary covering with the first one He provided in Genesis 3:21 as this was a foreshadow to the perfect and complete sacrifice Jesus, Leviticus 4:35; 5:10. Scripture says without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness, Hebrews 9:22. God gave explicit instructions in numerous animal sacrifices like that of Leviticus 16. To give just one verse without the full context can make anyone think differently from that of the whole context.

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There is no such thing as unintentional sin

>>>

• Leviticus 4:2
• “Say to the Israelites: ‘When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands—
• Leviticus 4:13
• “‘If the whole Israelite community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, even though the community is unaware of the matter, when they realize their guilt
• Leviticus 4:22
• “‘When a leader sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the commands of the Lord his God, when he realizes his guilt
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• Leviticus 4:27
• “‘If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt
• Leviticus 5:15
• “When anyone is unfaithful to the Lord by sinning unintentionally in regard to any of the Lord’s holy things, they are to bring to the Lord as a penalty a ram from the flock, one without defect and of the proper value in silver, according to the sanctuary shekel. It is a guilt offering.
• Leviticus 5:18
• They are to bring to the priest as a guilt offering a ram from the flock, one without defect and of the proper value. In this way the priest will make atonement for them for the wrong they have committed unintentionally, and they will be forgiven.

Please let me know if you need more.

no matter how small it might seem to be as sin is sin and the wages of sin is death, Romans 6:23. Where in scripture does it say flour, money and gold were commanded to atone for sin?

>>>Leviticus 5:11-13 King James Version 11 But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering.

Numbers 31:50
New International Version

50 So we have brought as an offering to the Lord the gold articles each of us acquired—armlets, bracelets, signet rings, earrings and necklaces—to make atonement for ourselves before the Lord.”​

Of course to do righteousness and justice is more desirable then sinning as it is not our own righteousness, but that of God's righteousness found in us and obeying His commands.

>>>Jesus taught Sinner who repent of his sins, better than the righteous who never sins.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

>>>You need only to repent.

 

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Have you been told yet that you can live without sin ?

>>>NO.

 

[for_his_glory]

>>>I am amazed how do you read the text which have none of what you said.

Genesis 3:21​

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King James Version​

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21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins and clothed them.​

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Where you see: blood sacrifices?​

Where you see atonement?​

Where you see Christ blood?​

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I will only respond to this part of your post to me as I will not argue with you as I gave my explanations and I find it very rude of you to say I need to repent just because I do not agree with you.

If someone is making coats of skin are they going to just cut the skin off a live animal, no, they will sacrifice the animal and while cutting off the skin there will be bloodshed. I can't make you see this as being the first blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin. You will have to work that out for yourself. Adam and Eve disobeyed God's command, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of the Lord. I don't think I have to explain the sacrifice Jesus made for everyone, Hebrews 9:22.

 

[Hopeful 2]

>>>NO.

Well let me be the first !
Repentance from sin not only can be but must be permanent, making you an ex-sinner.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ not only remits your past sins, but provides the destruction of your old self so you can be "raised with Christ to walk in newness of life."
So a man who doesn't commit sin anymore, washed by the blood of Christ, reborn from God's seed, and in possession of the gift of the Holy Spirit, won't commit sin.
The only way to leave your new Father's hand now, is to jump.

 

[Tempo]

I will only respond to this part of your post to me as I will not argue with you as I gave my explanations and I find it very rude of you to say I need to repent just because I do not agree with you.

>>>I said: >>>Jesus taught Sinner who repent of his sins, better than the righteous who never sins.
I just agree with Jesus!! never intend for you to repent because you disagree with me. we both disagree with each other.

Matthew 4:17

From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”​

If someone is making coats of skin are they going to just cut the skin off a live animal,

>>>I am sure, my shoes or coat comes from an animal was slaughter and his meat went to Mcdonald, and the skin went to the shoes factory, is this animal was a sacrifice?

 

[Tempo]

Well let me be the first !
Repentance from sin not only can be but must be permanent

>>>Verses please.

 

[Hopeful 2]

>>>Verses please.

The definition of repentance is "turn from", or, "change".
As Jesus said to Paul..."And I (Paul) said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." (Acts 26:15-18)
Acts 3:26 and Acts 7:39, 9:35, 11:21, and 14:15 are other good examples of repenting (turning) from sin.
If a man turns from darkness, and the devil, it must be permanent to be of any use.

If you are using BibleGateway.com just "seek" the word turn in the NT.

 

[Tempo]

The definition of repentance is "turn from", or, "change".

>>>Agree.

Do I make U turn from my evil and bad deeds and repent, or I keep doing the bad deeds till God appear to me and ask me to do better?

Q: what's happen if I don't repent?
Do I have to seek God for guidance, or He will appear to me to guide me?

Thank you