Scientific islam

[Pard]

you ‘re right , my God,ALLAH,is not the one you call God, your God, as you consider him, is Jesus (AS) ,while my God,ALLAH, is the almighty, who created Jesus and his mother ,he created prophets and massengers, the universe ,heavens and earth . Allah is the Creator of all the existent things and is the One Who manages all the creation.

This made me laugh.

You evidently have no clue as to the trinity.

 

[Tina]

my God,ALLAH,is not the one you call God, your God, as you consider him, is Jesus (AS) ,while my God,ALLAH, is the almighty, who created Jesus and his mother ,he created prophets and massengers, the universe ,heavens and earth . Allah is the Creator of all the existent things and is the One Who manages all the creation.

Sounds like your Allah is a busy god .... Looking at your Hadith, Allah is not gonna be able to manage judgement of people in end times. It says JESUS will be doing the job !


Hadith 4:658
Allah’s apostle said, ‘How will you be when the son of Mary descends amongst you and he will judge people by the law of the Koran and not by the law of the gospels?â€

Hadith 3:425
Allah’s apostle said “By Him in whose hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig.

Cocerning the story of the dog , i’m not sure if it is true or not , but i’m sure and certain that islam is absolutely against cruelty to animals , and ordered us as muslims to treat animals with compassion and not to abuse them. Our prophet mohammed PBUH repeatedly forbade cruelty to animals, saying in the Hadith popular tradition, "Whoever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself."
Similarly peace and blessing be upon him taught : "A good deed done to a beast is as good as doing good to a human being; while an act of cruelty to a beast is as bad as an act of cruelty to a human being."

Then what does it mean " kill the pig" in the above Hadith 3:425 ? .....

 

[dignity]

Sounds like your Allah is a busy god .... Looking at your Hadith, Allah is not gonna be able to manage judgement of people in end times. It says JESUS will be doing the job !


Hadith 4:658
Allah’s apostle said, ‘How will you be when the son of Mary descends amongst you and he will judge people by the law of the Koran and not by the law of the gospels?â€

Hadith 3:425
Allah’s apostle said “By Him in whose hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig.

we believe as Muslims that Isa (A.S.)( Jesus) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. we do not believe that Isa (A.S.),is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Not because he is powerfull, but because ALLAH, gave him power as his massenger to people in the earth.
Allah is All-Powerful and has Supreme Control over everything. BUT this does not mean that he has no laws, no rules, no principles and would do anything anytime He desires. Although He CAN do, BUT he does NOT do and would not DO. Why? Because He has prescribed Laws for all things and events in the Universe and He does not infringe upon these Laws nor let anyone else change these laws even though He is All-Powerful to do so.
I wonder that you can’t accept God all powerfull , and you accept God with limited powers ,
so what is your concept of God?

Then what does it mean " kill the pig" in the above Hadith 3:425 ? .....

Our prophet had predicted what will happen in the future , and it’s not an order to us to kill pigs , there is a big defference you know,

 

[Caroline H]

Sounds like your Allah is a busy god .... Looking at your Hadith, Allah is not gonna be able to manage judgement of people in end times. It says JESUS will be doing the job !


Hadith 4:658
Allah’s apostle said, ‘How will you be when the son of Mary descends amongst you and he will judge people by the law of the Koran and not by the law of the gospels?â€

Hadith 3:425
Allah’s apostle said “By Him in whose hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig.

we believe as Muslims that Isa (A.S.)( Jesus) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. we do not believe that Isa (A.S.),is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Not because he is powerfull, but because ALLAH, gave him power as his massenger to people in the earth.
Allah is All-Powerful and has Supreme Control over everything. BUT this does not mean that he has no laws, no rules, no principles and would do anything anytime He desires. Although He CAN do, BUT he does NOT do and would not DO. Why? Because He has prescribed Laws for all things and events in the Universe and He does not infringe upon these Laws nor let anyone else change these laws even though He is All-Powerful to do so.
I wonder that you can’t accept God all powerfull , and you accept God with limited powers ,
so what is your concept of God?

[quote:2mkxxkuv]Then what does it mean " kill the pig" in the above Hadith 3:425 ? .....

Our prophet had predicted what will happen in the future , and it’s not an order to us to kill pigs , there is a big defference you know, [/quote:2mkxxkuv]

#3 - No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed:

Dignity, please be reminded that you are on a Christian site. While it is permitted to discuss other religions, it is not permitted to promote them. Your post is crossing that line from discussion to promotion by your declaring that Jesus is not Lord or God's son, and that Allah is the true God of the universe. If you cannot discuss the topic at hand without pushing your faith then the topic may be locked and warnings issued.

totopic

 

[dignity]

you ‘re right , my God,ALLAH,is not the one you call God, your God, as you consider him, is Jesus (AS) ,while my God,ALLAH, is the almighty, who created Jesus and his mother ,he created prophets and massengers, the universe ,heavens and earth . Allah is the Creator of all the existent things and is the One Who manages all the creation.

This made me laugh.

You evidently have no clue as to the trinity.

actually I red much about the trinity, from the point of view of of course,but I couldn't understand it , my mind just couldn't accept it , but i concluded that your God in every WAY is Jesus and Jesus in every way is God ( the father). if im wrong please clarify
I still have a lot of questions about the trinity and your concept of GOD , I will post them if you accept to answer,
thanks

 

[dignity]

Sounds like your Allah is a busy god .... Looking at your Hadith, Allah is not gonna be able to manage judgement of people in end times. It says JESUS will be doing the job !


Hadith 4:658
Allah’s apostle said, ‘How will you be when the son of Mary descends amongst you and he will judge people by the law of the Koran and not by the law of the gospels?â€

Hadith 3:425
Allah’s apostle said “By Him in whose hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig.

we believe as Muslims that Isa (A.S.)( Jesus) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. we do not believe that Isa (A.S.),is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Not because he is powerfull, but because ALLAH, gave him power as his massenger to people in the earth.
Allah is All-Powerful and has Supreme Control over everything. BUT this does not mean that he has no laws, no rules, no principles and would do anything anytime He desires. Although He CAN do, BUT he does NOT do and would not DO. Why? Because He has prescribed Laws for all things and events in the Universe and He does not infringe upon these Laws nor let anyone else change these laws even though He is All-Powerful to do so.
I wonder that you can’t accept God all powerfull , and you accept God with limited powers ,
so what is your concept of God?

[quote:1bd2ehbt]Then what does it mean " kill the pig" in the above Hadith 3:425 ? .....

Our prophet had predicted what will happen in the future , and it’s not an order to us to kill pigs , there is a big defference you know,

#3 - No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed:

Dignity, please be reminded that you are on a Christian site. While it is permitted to discuss other religions, it is not permitted to promote them. Your post is crossing that line from discussion to promotion by your declaring that Jesus is not Lord or God's son, and that Allah is the true God of the universe. If you cannot discuss the topic at hand without pushing your faith then the topic may be locked and warnings issued.

totopic [/quote:1bd2ehbt]
ok , back to the topic

 

[Tina]

actually I red much about the trinity, from the point of view of of course,but I couldn't understand it , my mind just couldn't accept it , but i concluded that your God in every WAY is Jesus and Jesus in every way is God ( the father). if im wrong please clarify
I still have a lot of questions about the trinity and your concept of GOD , I will post them if you accept to answer,
thanks

Is it sheer fluke, or does every Muslim genuinely have the same doubts and skepticism as you !

Most of us here have interacted with more than enough Muslims like you in this forum alone to know pretty well that Trinity is the best and perhaps the only Christian concept you guys can use against Christianity .... There's nothing complicated about the Trinity concept except what you Muslims make out of it ... It is very much like the Islamic "Tawhid" concept that is found nowhere in your Quran. Your "oneness of God" theory (Tawhid) is also highly questionable considering it will be Jesus Who be judging people in the end according to your Hadith ..... regardless of how you Muslims try to make excuses for this , the only impression I go away with is that perhaps your Allah is too busy that he has to delegate this important task to Jesus, not even his dear Muhammad.

 

[Pard]

Our God is Yahweh. He is Elohim, Lord of all creation. He is both Father, Son, and Spirit. Jesus is as much God as the Father or the very spirit that dwells in us.

It is understandable that you cannot understand the Trinity. We can understand human things, because we are humans. We do not understand dogs, for we are not dogs. We do not understand dolphin things, for we are not dolphins. How is one to understand God things unless one is God? So of course you cannot understand the Trinity, but how is it we can (we being Christians)?

God has come into our hearts and has given us the gift of His glorious Spirit. He has filled our bodies with His Spirit and so we can see things in a manner that others cannot. (This is not to say we are God, but we carry with us part of His most Holy Spirit)

Perhaps if you where to come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and confess and repent for all your sins and ask for forgiveness for all your past sins... then you would be able to understand the Trinity.

 

[Caroline H]

This is not a Trinity discussion, it is Scientific Islam. Last time I'm asking to get back to the topic, everyone.

Thanks

 

[Glen]

Interesting statistics on Islam's scientific advancement. Let me know ur thoughts on this...

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-embryology.htm

 

[Glen]

Some more hilarious science in Quran... :

Bukhari:V4B55N546 "Allah's Apostle said, ?Gabriel has just now told me of the answer. If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble him, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her.'"

Tabari I:258
Qur'an 15:26 "Allah created Adam from sticky clay, meaning viscous and sweet smelling slime, being stinking. It became stinking slime after having been compact soil."

Qur'an 80:17 "Be cursed man! He has self-destructed. From what stuff did He create him? From nutfa (male and female semen drops) He created him and set him in due proportion."

Tabari I:258 "Allah sent Gabriel to the earth to bring Him some clay. The earth said, ?I take refuge in Allah against you mutilating me. Then He sent the angel of death. He took some soil from the earth and made a mixture. He did not take it from a single place but took red, white, and black soil. Therefore, the children of Adam came out different."

Tabari I:332 "The sun and the moon were in eclipse for seven days and nights."

Qur'an 38:27 "We have not created the heavens and earth and all that lies between for nothing."

Tabari I:204 "I asked the Prophet, ?Where was Allah before His creation?' Muhammad replied: ?He was in a cloud with no air underneath or above it.'"

Tabari I:219 "When Allah wanted to create the creation, He brought forth smoke from the water. The smoke hovered loftily over it. He called it ?heaven.' Then He dried out the water and made it earth. He split it and made it seven earths on Sunday. He created the earth upon a big fish, that being the fish mentioned in the Qur'an. By the Pen, the fish was in the water. The water was upon the back of a small rock. The rock was on the back of an angel. The angel was on a big rock. The big rock was in the wind. The fish became agitated. As a result, the earth quaked, so Allah anchored the mountains and made it stable. This is why the Qur'an says, ?Allah made for the earth firmly anchored mountains, lest it shake you up.'"

Bukhari:V1B10N510 "Allah's Apostle said, ?If it is very hot, the severity of the heat is from the raging of the Hell Fire.'"

-- Stay tuned more to follow... :rolling :rolling

 

[Danus]

I would really like to see an Islamic nation with a space program, but I can see some interesting technical difficulties that the Quran does not seem to address.
Technical Difficulties:
In space, no one can hear you ululate.
Figuring out how to bow to Mecca while traveling at 17,500 mph in zero gravity.
Need something better than fifty scud missiles duct-taped together as a launch vehicle

I also wonder if Allah even wants this. If he did I think he would have inspired Mohamed to jot this down. In fact I can only come up with two reasons for Muslims to even be in space.
Reasons and Benefits for am Islamic government space program:
The primary scientific objective: evaluate the efficacy of moon rocks for use in stoning adulterers.
Prestige of being the first interplanetary martyr for Allah.

However, if Allah does not want Muslims in space, but Muslim governments want a space program; I think they could find a way to twist the Quran to mean what ever they want, or, even better, just fake the whole thing in a secret Al Jazeera studio and no one should be the wiser for it.

 

[theLords]

Ahhhh, the beautiful science of the quran, where Adam was a 90 foot giant, the sun sets into the ocean, and drinking camel urine is better medicine than 2 advils.

 

[dignity]

Ahhhh, the beautiful science of the quran, where Adam was a 90 foot giant, the sun sets into the ocean, and drinking camel urine is better medicine than 2 advils.

theLord you forgot to put the verses where these ideas are taking place.

you know that what distinguishes the human being from all other creatures, is the mind that does not take anything for granted but uses the arguments and evidences to convince and wait for proof to be convinced and persuaded .


And the most important thing is to deal objectively with thoughts and beliefs of that who differs from you and search for the truth wherever it is . And not to forget that there is only one divine truth to be discovered and gained.


This is another scientific proof that the quran is absolutely the final revelation of God to his prophet and messenger mohammed (PBUH) 14 CENTURIES AGO.

A BARRIER BETWEEN
THE TWO SEAS


The science of oceanography is a recent development. In the middle of 1980's the United States Navy began the extensive study of ocean currents, the mineral contents of various currents. In 1854, an American naval officer Matthew Fontaine Maury published the first maps of ocean current below the depth of 7,300 meters. In the following year, Maury published the first book on this subject. It was entitled 'Physical Geography of the Sea'.

Below are the excerpts from Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia Deluxe, 1998 edition:

Occasionally, water becomes very heavy due to its high salinity. An example of this is the Mediterranean Sea. The water flowing outward through the Strait of Gibraltar has greater salinity than the adjacent water of the Atlantic Ocean, and because it is heavier, it sinks. This Mediterranean flow can be tracked as a tongue of high-salinity water most of the way across the Atlantic Ocean.

Note: This last sentence tells us that the incoming flow of sea water from the Mediterranean Sea does not admix or combine with the sea water of the Atlantic Ocean. The incoming flow does not loose its identity after traveling a short distance. Surprisingly, the flow from the Mediterranean Sea keeps on traveling "most of the way across the Atlantic Ocean". Since the area of the Atlantic Ocean is about 31,831,000 square miles, it is a very vast distance covered by this flow. The map charted by the oceanographers show that this High Density water is like a protruding "tongue" surrounded by the Low Density water. There is an invisible Barrier that keeps these two waters apart.

Here is the verse of Qur'an that speak of this invisible Barrier:
"He hath let loose the two seas which meet each other:
Yet between them is a bariier which they overpass not "
Translation by Reverend J. M. Rodwell
"He let forth the two seas that meet together, between them a barrier they do not over pass."
Translation by Arthur J. Arberry
"He has let free the two bodies of flowing water meeting together: Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress " Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali


waiting for you to deal seriously with the topic and not with disregard and contempt..


thanks

 

[theLords]

you do realize this is a christian board right?

we have the Truth already. He came long before mohammad did. He never married 6 year old girls, never cut someone's head off, and never raped anyone.

:waving