Scientists believe the world will end.

[Classik]

Scientists believe the world will end. How different is this from the Biblical End of the World?

 

[ivorhughjarse]

Scientists believe the world will end because everything ends eventually. Christians believe the world will end because it will become like the days of Noah in it's wickedness and if God does not step in then no flesh will be saved..we think that perversion is bad now but the future will make today seem like a kindergarden. In the days of Noah the un-natural Nepelim had form on the earth and all forms of wickedness was practiced.

 

[Aardverk]

I suspect this is a trick question but I will give you a 'science' answer so that you can respond if you wish.

The sun will grow into a red giant in about 5,000,000,000 years time and expand out as far as the orbit of the earth. I seriously doubt that mankind will exist even a million years into the future. We will probably have died out in less than a few thousand years, for a wide variety of reasons.

I will leave you to provide the biblical answer.

 

[Classik]

That's indeed a funny response
Having stayed theese number of years in this world I could notice some significant changes in many 'things' (will tell later) - and all tending towards an end. Many things are rapidly losing 'values' and are being unconsciously discarded by humans. Thus, even man, is speeding up the process of the destruction of the earth.


And that number of years you mentioned is way too scary.:shocked

(have you tried the 'candle flame' thing and what happens when it burns down?)

I don't wanna talk about the bible end times thing yet.

 

[Denique Coelum]

I seriously doubt that mankind will exist even a million years into the future. We will probably have died out in less than a few thousand years, for a wide variety of reasons.

Too right! As a qualified waste and environmental manager, I've always been convinced that the human race is incapable of living sustainably. So, we're going to be in a pretty desperate situation in a few thousand years time, given the current apathy, self-interest and also the lack of understanding on the part of the general public of the impact our lifestyle has on the environment, both built and natural.

 

[Classik]

Thus, even man, is speeding up the process of the destruction of the earth.

However, man can't destroy this world - only God will - and at the right time.

 

[spartakis]

However, man can't destroy this world - only God will - and at the right time.

+1..

 

[Classik]

+1..

 

[Aardverk]

Too right! As a qualified waste and environmental manager, I've always been convinced that the human race is incapable of living sustainably. So, we're going to be in a pretty desperate situation in a few thousand years time, given the current apathy, self-interest and also the lack of understanding on the part of the general public of the impact our lifestyle has on the environment, both built and natural.

Yes. The population has got to decline drastically and fairly soon too. Once it has declined enough it will be sustainable but we will be heading into another ice age 'soon' so that will be a major problem in this over crowded world.

Once fossil fuels have run out the pollution issues will decline by themselves. Fusion reactors will probably be our main power source within a hundred years and we can 'cheaply' create hydrogen from water to use in fuel cells or internal combustion engines. 'Unlimited' power has been promised from fusion reactors for about 55 years now so maybe it will come true soon.

 

[stovebolts]

Yes. The population has got to decline drastically and fairly soon too. Once it has declined enough it will be sustainable but we will be heading into another ice age 'soon' so that will be a major problem in this over crowded world..

That statement scares me...
So I take it this is one reason for supporting abortion as it would serve two purposes? First it reduces population (The US is aborting about 3,000 babies a day), but since most abortions are from the lower income brackets, it would also serve as an economic relief system reducing the stress on the welfare system. Factor in the advancement of medicine and an Elite class of citizens could be produced as a means for natural selection to artificially succeed.

BTW, didn't you know Obama shut down the hydrogen program? and didn't you know the richest source of hydrogen is extracted from Ethenol.. Yeah, e-85 is dead, thank you Mr. Obama. The byproduct of hydrogen is water. It's all about economic leverage and the new MPG mandate was the last nail in the coffin for hydrogen and the oil companies went laughing all the way to the bank.

Wether your talking abortion or big oil, bottom line is always the bottom line when government or business are not bound by the biblical principals that constrain us from our own self depreciation.

 

[Classik]

BTW, didn't you know Obama shut down the hydrogen program? and didn't you know the richest source of hydrogen is extracted from Ethenol.. Yeah, e-85 is dead, thank you Mr. Obama.

Thank you Mr. Obama? Obama 4 prezidaint!

 

[for_his_glory]

That's like saying we know we will die someday as everything has a life span to it and will eventually reach the end of that span whether by physical death or that of the coming of Christ that even Christ does not know when that will be, but God does set signs for us to watch for. Matthew chapter 24

 

[Hitch]

Messiah always arrives at precisely the right moment.

 

[Denique Coelum]

Messiah always arrives at precisely the right moment.

How amazingly true...

 

[Aardverk]

...... one reason for supporting abortion as it would serve two purposes? First it reduces population (The US is aborting about 3,000 babies a day), but since most abortions are from the lower income brackets, it would also serve as an economic relief system reducing the stress on the welfare system. Factor in the advancement of medicine and an Elite class of citizens could be produced as a means for natural selection to artificially succeed.

BTW, didn't you know Obama shut down the hydrogen program? and didn't you know the richest source of hydrogen is extracted from Ethenol.. Yeah, e-85 is dead, thank you Mr. Obama.

Over 150,000 people die everyday day and over 250,000 people are born every day (These statistics are probably questionable). The number of abortions has no measurable effect on world population. Sadly for them and their families, but fortunately for the rest of the population, vast numbers of those babies die from hunger, polluted water and lack of effective medical care.

Taken in world terms, we already have a self selected elite. Everyone using this forum is already in that elite class. Having time on your hands and constant access to IT virtually proves it. If any of you are living in a mud hut or are in constant fear of drought or starvation, I would be pleased to hear your view.

Until we get 'unlimited' power from nuclear fusion, it is pretty pointless using electricity to make hydrogen as a fuel. To make it worthwhile, it has to be generated from a sustainable source of power. The problem is that we are using up all of those 100% already. Ethanol can be used as a very effective fuel as it is, or mixed with gasoline, so there is little point in using that to make hydrogen.

 

[Chris]

Scientist researching the end of the world! For sure that should get a funding grant via headlines. They should get a few years income from that.

 

[Pebbles]

That statement scares me...
So I take it this is one reason for supporting abortion as it would serve two purposes? First it reduces population (The US is aborting about 3,000 babies a day), but since most abortions are from the lower income brackets, it would also serve as an economic relief system reducing the stress on the welfare system. Factor in the advancement of medicine and an Elite class of citizens could be produced as a means for natural selection to artificially succeed.

BTW, didn't you know Obama shut down the hydrogen program? and didn't you know the richest source of hydrogen is extracted from Ethenol.. Yeah, e-85 is dead, thank you Mr. Obama. The byproduct of hydrogen is water. It's all about economic leverage and the new MPG mandate was the last nail in the coffin for hydrogen and the oil companies went laughing all the way to the bank.

Wether your talking abortion or big oil, bottom line is always the bottom line when government or business are not bound by the biblical principals that constrain us from our own self depreciation.

In my eyes it's an entirely different issue. I'm pro-choice because Non-persons hold no intrinsic value in my moral calculations. Thus to me a non-viable fetus has no rights in regards to the mothers discretion.

Ultimately abortion would be useless as a form of population control. Not only is it too risky it's also too expensive.

What I'd propose is a sterility plague that renders 90% or so of the human population infertile. while it would cause some severe effects such as a generational bottleneck in the long term it's a much more humane option to complete biosphere collapse caused by unstoppable human consumption.

You needn't be concerned about notions of elitism, For example myself I'm completely sterile already I'm sure there are many others in a similar situation if you were to get people like that to work on such a virus there wouldn't be any problem with internal conflicts of interest.

 

[Aardverk]

What I'd propose is a sterility plague that renders 90% or so of the human population infertile. while it would cause some severe effects such as a generational bottleneck in the long term it's a much more humane option to complete biosphere collapse caused by unstoppable human consumption.

Pretty radical Pebbles - assuming that you mean a deliberately engineered virus. Whilst I understand your logic I think most people would have insurmountable difficulties being involved with such a project.

Realistically, mankind will suffer natural 'plagues' such as bird-flu etc which will wipe out significant numbers. The problem is that even if the population were to drop to a sustainable level, we would breed back in no time if there was enough food. The real 'killer' is when we get repeated crop failures around the world due to something like volcanic activity, nuclear winter or asteroid strike. That could really be a new beginning for mankind. A sort of 'Noah's nuclear winter'.

 

[stovebolts]

In my eyes it's an entirely different issue. I'm pro-choice because Non-persons hold no intrinsic value in my moral calculations. Thus to me a non-viable fetus has no rights in regards to the mothers discretion.

Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Within the Christian faith, we hold all human life as not only viable, but also as having intrinsic value.

Ultimately abortion would be useless as a form of population control. Not only is it too risky it's also too expensive.

It is cheaper to pay for an abortion than it is to raise a child long term. Actually, an abortion is cheaper than pre-natal care and it serves to reduce the American population by roughly 3,000 citizens each day. Consider most abortions are at the bottom rung of the social ladder that's a huge cost savings to the working class. Not many make it out of the ghetto.

What I'd propose is a sterility plague that renders 90% or so of the human population infertile. while it would cause some severe effects such as a generational bottleneck in the long term it's a much more humane option to complete biosphere collapse caused by unstoppable human consumption.

People that think like you are dangerous... You scare me.

You needn't be concerned about notions of elitism, For example myself I'm completely sterile already I'm sure there are many others in a similar situation if you were to get people like that to work on such a virus there wouldn't be any problem with internal conflicts of interest.

You are sterile by choice and personally I'm glad you cant' reproduce. I wouldn't want a bunch of mini-you's running around. I couldn't imagine being so disappointed in my body that I felt the need to mutilate it.

 

[stovebolts]

Over 150,000 people die everyday day and over 250,000 people are born every day (These statistics are probably questionable). The number of abortions has no measurable effect on world population. Sadly for them and their families, but fortunately for the rest of the population, vast numbers of those babies die from hunger, polluted water and lack of effective medical care.

Don't minimize abortion... It's murder. In the US, I am sure that there are more people who die via Abortion than die from hunger, polluted water or lack of effective medical care.

Taken in world terms, we already have a self selected elite. Everyone using this forum is already in that elite class. Having time on your hands and constant access to IT virtually proves it. If any of you are living in a mud hut or are in constant fear of drought or starvation, I would be pleased to hear your view.

You missed the point...

Until we get 'unlimited' power from nuclear fusion, it is pretty pointless using electricity to make hydrogen as a fuel. To make it worthwhile, it has to be generated from a sustainable source of power. The problem is that we are using up all of those 100% already. Ethanol can be used as a very effective fuel as it is, or mixed with gasoline, so there is little point in using that to make hydrogen.

Here's a novel idea.... it has been shown that they can extract the most hydrogen out of Ethenol, so to have a good hydrogen supply means that we need a good Ethenol supply.

Hydrogen Made From Ethanol With 90% Efficiency Using Inexpensive Catalyst
http://www.treehugger.com/renewable...90-efficiency-using-inexpensive-catalyst.html

Here is a good article from May.
http://www.gizmag.com/upc-hydrogen-ethanol/18755/


Guess what? Ever hear of switch grass? It grows pretty darn well in North and South Dakota. Hey, they have a lot of wind up there too... wonder why they couldn't build windmills to process Ethenol?

Oh yeah, it grows really well in New Mexico too! Hey, they have a lot of sun down there.. I have an idea! How about we process Ethenol with electricity harnessed from solar! Now that's a novel idea!

Imagine that