Scofield v. Scripture

[reba]

I will try not to add my personal thoughts to this thread. It is obvious what my views are.



SCOFIELD’S DEFINITION AND COMMENTS:
“The Palestinian covenant gives the conditions under which Israel entered the land of promise. It is
important to see that the nation has never as yet taken the land under the unconditional Abrahamic
covenant, nor has it ever possessed the whole land. The palestinian covenant is in seven parts: (1)
Dispersion for disobedience. (2) The future repentance of Israel while in the dispersion. (3) The
return of the Lord. (4) Restoration to the land. (5) National conversion. (6) The judgment of Israel’s
oppressors. (7) National prosperity.” Sco. Ref. Bible, page 250, note 1.

Scripture

Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Just another example of how ignorance of the OT scriptures has caused so much bad doctrine to propagate in the church in these last days.

The many Commentaries that the church has embraced may well the worst thing that happened to her. I personally don't read them. My Bible is my Commentary.

 

[Deborah13]

I will try not to add my personal thoughts to this thread. It is obvious what my views are.



SCOFIELD’S DEFINITION AND COMMENTS:
“The Palestinian covenant gives the conditions under which Israel entered the land of promise. It is
important to see that the nation has never as yet taken the land under the unconditional Abrahamic
covenant, nor has it ever possessed the whole land. The palestinian covenant is in seven parts: (1)
Dispersion for disobedience. (2) The future repentance of Israel while in the dispersion. (3) The
return of the Lord. (4) Restoration to the land. (5) National conversion. (6) The judgment of Israel’s
oppressors. (7) National prosperity.” Sco. Ref. Bible, page 250, note 1.

Scripture

Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Nehemiah 9:5,7-8
5 Then the Levites, Jeshua, Kadmiel, Bani, Hashabneiah, Sherebiah, Hodiah, Shebaniah and Pethahiah, said, “Arise, bless the Lord your God forever and ever!
O may Your glorious name be blessed
And exalted above all blessing and praise!
7 “You are the Lord God,
Who chose Abram
And brought him out from Ur of the Chaldees,
And gave him the name Abraham.
8 “You found his heart faithful before You,
And made a covenant with him
To give him the land of the Canaanite,
Of the Hittite and the Amorite,
Of the Perizzite, the Jebusite and the Girgashite—
To give it to his descendants.
And You have fulfilled Your promise,
For You are righteous.

 

[JLB]

Just another example of how ignorance of the OT scriptures has caused so much bad doctrine to propagate in the church in these last days.

The many Commentaries that the church has embraced may well the worst thing that happened to her. I personally don't read them. My Bible is my Commentary.

Yes Agreed.

There are those out there that promote the idea that Gentile Christians are obligated to uphold the law of Moses.

The spin off of this mindset is what has become known as Messianic Judaism.

The very thing that Paul warned against in his letters to the Churches.

Especially Galatians.

The flip side is just as bad.

Whereby the Pastor promotes a doctrine of lawlessness that teaches OSAS, whereby the Christian can live like the world, in sin and the lustful desires of the flesh, and be assured of being welcome into God's Kingdom.


JLB

 

[Chopper]

Just another example of how ignorance of the OT scriptures has caused so much bad doctrine to propagate in the church in these last days.

The many Commentaries that the church has embraced may well the worst thing that happened to her. I personally don't read them. My Bible is my Commentary.

Like what? What has the church embraced?

 

[Deborah13]

So to stay I topic.....

If the scripture above is fact, why do some believe that this promise to Abraham Has Not been fulfilled?

Why do some believe the State of Israel must be the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham?
Why do some believe that this 1948 restoration has anything to do with unfilled promises?

 

[JLB]

So to stay I topic.....

If the scripture above is fact, why do some believe that this promise to Abraham Has Not been fulfilled?

Why do some believe the State of Israel must be the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham?
Why do some believe that this 1948 restoration has anything to do with unfilled promises?

What would be the scripture that someone would post that could possibly "over ride" what Reba posted,?

Where does it say in scripture that this promise to Abraham Has Not been fulfilled?

Scripture

Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

JLB

 

[Deborah13]

What would be the scripture that someone would post that could possibly "over ride" what Reba posted,?

Where does it say in scripture that this promise to Abraham Has Not been fulfilled?



JLB

Are you asking me? I also posted scripture that says the same thing.

Are those scriptures in agreement with the OP's quotes from Scofield?
Are they in conflict with a furturist view for Israel?
If so why?

 

[JLB]

Are you asking me? I also posted scripture that says the same thing.

Are those scriptures in agreement with the OP's quotes from Scofield?
Are they in conflict with a furturist view for Israel?
If so why?

I am asking if you know of any scripture that those who believe what Scofield writes about this matter.

 

[Deborah13]

I am asking if you know of any scripture that those who believe what Scofield writes about this matter.

No. At one time I believed what I had been taught. Many years ago, our church had a college class on a dispensational view, tying together Rev. , Daniel, Ezekiel, etc.

 

[reba]

I am asking if you know of any scripture that those who believe what Scofield writes about this matter.

Not that i will answer but can you please restate the question...I dont 'get it" thanks

 

[JLB]

Not that i will answer but can you please restate the question...I dont 'get it" thanks

What scripture do people use to show that the promise to Abraham Has Not been fulfilled

 

[reba]

OK thank you

 

[evenifigoalone]

I have a Scofield KJV, but I usually don't read the notes. Sometimes they do have something interesting to say, but yeah...you need to keep in mind that the notes are nothing more than a man's opinion and are not necessarily correct.

 

[jasoncran]

messianic Judaism? that Is done by choice. not all are like a member here. most ones I know are JEWISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are they all jewish? NO, but I seem meet the ones that are. watch it with them. there is no command not to shabat, or the holy feasts as they are today(another topic).im not a messianic jew and yet I have done only channukah. I will make time to do the other feasts if I can. we have that freedom in Christ.

 

[reba]

Not that i will answer but can you please restate the question...I dont 'get it" thanks

[Not that i will answer ] wow sorry that sure reads rude that was not my intent....

 

[OhFarouk]

I have a Scofield KJV, but I usually don't read the notes. Sometimes they do have something interesting to say, but yeah...you need to keep in mind that the notes are nothing more than a man's opinion and are not necessarily correct.

questdriven:

I guess the point is not that the notes are inspired, which is not the case, of course.

The point is whether they can be helpful.


IMHO a resounding yes. Example: is Israel the same as the church? is the coming of the Lord in the air for His church the same as His rule on earth in power and judgment? If the answer is that there may be distinctions here, then it can be helpful to weigh and consider one passage with another.

Blessings.

 

[Deborah13]

My questions refer to this statement by Scofield.....

" It is important to see that the nation has never as yet taken the land under the unconditional Abrahamic
covenant, nor has it ever possessed the whole land."

I've looked in the Scofield notes that I can find online and can't find any scripture that he has taken this from.

 

[Deborah13]

I will try not to add my personal thoughts to this thread. It is obvious what my views are.



SCOFIELD’S DEFINITION AND COMMENTS:
“The Palestinian covenant gives the conditions under which Israel entered the land of promise. It is
important to see that the nation has never as yet taken the land under the unconditional Abrahamic
covenant, nor has it ever possessed the whole land. The palestinian covenant is in seven parts: (1)
Dispersion for disobedience. (2) The future repentance of Israel while in the dispersion. (3) The
return of the Lord. (4) Restoration to the land. (5) National conversion. (6) The judgment of Israel’s
oppressors. (7) National prosperity.” Sco. Ref. Bible, page 250, note 1.

Scripture

Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Reba, because I can't look at his notes by page, what scripture does he refer this note 1 to, if he does?
Thanks

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Yes Agreed.

There are those out there that promote the idea that Gentile Christians are obligated to uphold the law of Moses.

The spin off of this mindset is what has become known as Messianic Judaism.

The very thing that Paul warned against in his letters to the Churches.

Especially Galatians.

The flip side is just as bad.

Whereby the Pastor promotes a doctrine of lawlessness that teaches OSAS, whereby the Christian can live like the world, in sin and the lustful desires of the flesh, and be assured of being welcome into God's Kingdom.


JLB

Like what? What has the church embraced?

The church has embraced the spiritless reasonings of men. Packaged up in the various commentaries so many Christians prefer, so it seems, to simply reading the Bible for themselves.

But I will say I have a couple of books from Larry O' Richards that I really did learn from and enjoy. My mom and Dad went to church with him, so I had the opportunity to meet him a couple of times in the nineties. He opened up one of his classes to have anyone try to stump him with any Biblical question. I asked one and he got evasive about giving an answer, which led me to conclude I had stumped him, lol.

Good man. If you have to read commentaries, I'm confident his will actually lead you to Holy Spirit inspired learning.