[_ Old Earth _] Seems strange to ask CHRISTIANS, but do you or don't you believe in this issue?

[Stan53]

Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Universe, Earth, and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God during a relatively short period, sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago. Its primary adherents are Christians and Jews who believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days, taking a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative as a basis for their beliefs.

PLEASE let's not get personal...I know it's hard. Also PLEASE support yourself with FACTS, not conjecture.
Thanks
Stan

 

[Barbarian]

Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Universe, Earth, and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God during a relatively short period, sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago. Its primary adherents are Christians and Jews who believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days, taking a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative as a basis for their beliefs.

Actually, there are many Muslims who agree with the relative few Christians and Jews about creationism. YE, of course, is from the Seventh Day Adventists, but they share many beliefs with YE creationists.

On the other hand, the vast majority of the world's Christians belong to denominations that acknowledge evolution is consistent with God's creation.

YE is an unusual variation of Christian belief.

 

[Stan53]

Actually, there are many Muslims who agree with the relative few Christians and Jews about creationism. YE, of course, is from the Seventh Day Adventists, but they share many beliefs with YE creationists.

On the other hand, the vast majority of the world's Christians belong to denominations that acknowledge evolution is consistent with God's creation.

YE is an unusual variation of Christian belief.

Quite a loaded response here Barbarian. In terms of the OP, a majority of Christians and Jews believe in the literal Biblical account. I've never spoken to a Muslim about creation, but have read that the majority of them believe in the account in Genesis as being literal.
I have no idea why you attribute Young Earth to the SDA. This was a majority belief among Christians long before the SDA came into existence.
Maybe you are referring to something different to my OP?

 

[Barbarian]

Quite a loaded response here Barbarian. In terms of the OP, a majority of Christians and Jews believe in the literal Biblical account.

No. Slightly more than half of the world's Christians are Roman Catholics. As you might know, the Church recognizes that evolution is consistent with Christian belief. The next largest group of Christians are Eastern Orthodox churches, which also recognize the fact. So do Anglicans, including Episcopalians. So do most Lutherans, whose world organization admits that their beliefs are consistent with evolution.

I've never spoken to a Muslim about creation, but have read that the majority of them believe in the account in Genesis as being literal.

Many do. More of them, than Christians.

I have no idea why you attribute Young Earth to the SDA.

Evidence. The birth of YE creationism came after the visions of an SDA "prophetess" was spread to evangelicals by an SDA missionary. The creationism presented at the Scopes Trial, for example, was old Earth creationism.

Much has been written for and against creationism, but its history is poorly documented — and poorly understood by both critics and proponents. In The Creationists Numbers offers us an intellectual and institutional history of creationism, or more accurately of "creationism" as it is now understood. As he writes:

During the early decades of the twentieth century, few creationists, even among hard-shell fundamentalists, insisted on a young earth or a fossil-producing flood. Some naive readers of the Bible no doubt assumed that the date 4004 B.C. found in the margins of the first chapter referred to the original creation of the earth, but except for the Adventist disciples of Ellen G. White they almost never committed such beliefs to writing. By applying the unquestionably orthodox day-age and gap theories to Genesis 1, even the staunchest defenders of biblical inerrancy could accommodate the claims of historical geology. But by the end of the century ... the very word creationism had come to signify the recent appearance of life on earth and a geologically significant deluge.
http://dannyreviews.com/h/Creationists.html

YE creationism is a very modern invention.

This was a majority belief among Christians long before the SDA came into existence.

Nope. The great Baptist leader Spurgeon, preached an Earth millions of years old. ("Answers in Genesis" got in some hot water for editing his comments to make it look otherwise)

Although, I support Answers in Genesis stance against the Darwinist faith and the religion of NeoAtheism, the dubious apologetics of AIG has reached a new low. I can't hold back a public rebuke because they conspired to distort the sermons of the great Christian Pastor CH Spurgeon.

Pastor Spurgeon had no problem with the Earth being millions of years old and his sermons and books lead me to believe he held the Gap theory point of view which I happen to share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThORe07rA-g

 

[Stan53]

No. Slightly more than half of the world's Christians are Roman Catholics. As you might know, the Church recognizes that evolution is consistent with Christian belief. The next largest group of Christians are Eastern Orthodox churches, which also recognize the fact. So do Anglicans, including Episcopalians. So do most Lutherans, whose world organization admits that their beliefs are consistent with evolution.

Again pretty loaded. I was born and raised RC and I know that a majority of RC's are indeed NOT Christian. My own mother's view is that she is RC so ipso facto, she is Christian. She has never confessed Christ as Saviour. I'm going to have to say the same thing about the Orthodox and to a lesser degree Anglicans and Lutherans. Being a prt of a denomination, does not make you a Christian, anymore than living in a garage makes you a car.

Evidence. The birth of YE creationism came after the visions of an SDA "prophetess" was spread to evangelicals by an SDA missionary. The creationism presented at the Scopes Trial, for example, was old Earth creationism.

Much has been written for and against creationism, but its history is poorly documented — and poorly understood by both critics and proponents. In The Creationists Numbers offers us an intellectual and institutional history of creationism, or more accurately of "creationism" as it is now understood. As he writes:
During the early decades of the twentieth century, few creationists, even among hard-shell fundamentalists, insisted on a young earth or a fossil-producing flood. Some naive readers of the Bible no doubt assumed that the date 4004 B.C. found in the margins of the first chapter referred to the original creation of the earth, but except for the Adventist disciples of Ellen G. White they almost never committed such beliefs to writing. By applying the unquestionably orthodox day-age and gap theories to Genesis 1, even the staunchest defenders of biblical inerrancy could accommodate the claims of historical geology. But by the end of the century ... the very word creationism had come to signify the recent appearance of life on earth and a geologically significant deluge.
http://dannyreviews.com/h/Creationists.html
YE creationism is a very modern invention.

Ellen G. White, did not and never did speak for the majority of Christianity.
Even today, most modern day SDA's do not agree with her teachings, nor her visions. There are still some that do, just like some RC's believe in the Pope's infallibility when it comes to hermeneutical exegesis of the Bible.

Nope. The great Baptist leader Spurgeon, preached an Earth millions of years old. ("Answers in Genesis" got in some hot water for editing his comments to make it look otherwise)
Although, I support Answers in Genesis stance against the Darwinist faith and the religion of NeoAtheism, the dubious apologetics of AIG has reached a new low. I can't hold back a public rebuke because they conspired to distort the sermons of the great Christian Pastor CH Spurgeon.
Pastor Spurgeon had no problem with the Earth being millions of years old and his sermons and books lead me to believe he held the Gap theory point of view which I happen to share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThORe07rA-g

I don't hold to any particular persons view, wether it be Spurgeon or Calvin or even Clement. I see what I see in the Word and trust God to make the truth real by His Holy Spirit. The 7 most deadliest words of the modern church is, WE HAVE NEVER DONE IT THIS WAY.
I've accepted the GAP theory in the past but currently am of the opinion that God created a fully mature world and universe, just as He created a fully mature Plant and Animal kingdom and a fully mature man and woman as original progenitors of life on earth. Nothing has proven my beliefs to be wrong. Certainly not any one person's theory or opinion.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
No. Slightly more than half of the world's Christians are Roman Catholics. As you might know, the Church recognizes that evolution is consistent with Christian belief. The next largest group of Christians are Eastern Orthodox churches, which also recognize the fact. So do Anglicans, including Episcopalians. So do most Lutherans, whose world organization admits that their beliefs are consistent with evolution.

Again pretty loaded. I was born and raised RC and I know that a majority of RC's are indeed NOT Christian. My own mother's view is that she is RC so ipso facto, she is Christian. She has never confessed Christ as Saviour.

She could never have been confirmed in the Church if she did not. How is it a supposed former Christian does not know this?

I'm going to have to say the same thing about the Orthodox and to a lesser degree Anglicans and Lutherans. Being a prt of a denomination, does not make you a Christian, anymore than living in a garage makes you a car.

So your argument is that most Christians aren't Christians? Are you perhaps Mormon or a Jehovah's witness?

Barbarian observes:
Evidence. The birth of YE creationism came after the visions of an SDA "prophetess" was spread to evangelicals by an SDA missionary. The creationism presented at the Scopes Trial, for example, was old Earth creationism.

Much has been written for and against creationism, but its history is poorly documented — and poorly understood by both critics and proponents. In The Creationists Numbers offers us an intellectual and institutional history of creationism, or more accurately of "creationism" as it is now understood. As he writes:
During the early decades of the twentieth century, few creationists, even among hard-shell fundamentalists, insisted on a young earth or a fossil-producing flood. Some naive readers of the Bible no doubt assumed that the date 4004 B.C. found in the margins of the first chapter referred to the original creation of the earth, but except for the Adventist disciples of Ellen G. White they almost never committed such beliefs to writing. By applying the unquestionably orthodox day-age and gap theories to Genesis 1, even the staunchest defenders of biblical inerrancy could accommodate the claims of historical geology. But by the end of the century ... the very word creationism had come to signify the recent appearance of life on earth and a geologically significant deluge.
http://dannyreviews.com/h/Creationists.html
YE creationism is a very modern invention.

Ellen G. White, did not and never did speak for the majority of Christianity.

But she does speak for YECs on this issue. She invented YEC.

Even today, most modern day SDA's do not agree with her teachings, nor her visions. There are still some that do, just like some RC's believe in the Pope's infallibility when it comes to hermeneutical exegesis of the Bible.

Can't say about SDAs, but she was very successful in convincing evangelicals.

Barbarian observes:
Nope. The great Baptist leader Spurgeon, preached an Earth millions of years old. ("Answers in Genesis" got in some hot water for editing his comments to make it look otherwise)

Although, I support Answers in Genesis stance against the Darwinist faith and the religion of NeoAtheism, the dubious apologetics of AIG has reached a new low. I can't hold back a public rebuke because they conspired to distort the sermons of the great Christian Pastor CH Spurgeon.
Pastor Spurgeon had no problem with the Earth being millions of years old and his sermons and books lead me to believe he held the Gap theory point of view which I happen to share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThORe07rA-g

I don't hold to any particular persons view, wether it be Spurgeon or Calvin or even Clement. I see what I see in the Word and trust God to make the truth real by His Holy Spirit. The 7 most deadliest words of the modern church is, WE HAVE NEVER DONE IT THIS WAY.

Innovation, when it comes to God's Word, is probably not a good idea.

I've accepted the GAP theory in the past but currently am of the opinion that God created a fully mature world and universe, just as He created a fully mature Plant and Animal kingdom and a fully mature man and woman as original progenitors of life on earth. Nothing has proven my beliefs to be wrong. Certainly not any one person's theory or opinion.

With neither scripture nor evidence supporting that view, it's not surprising that relatively few Christians buy into it.

 

[Stan53]

She could never have been confirmed in the Church if she did not. How is it a supposed former Christian does not know this?

I was confirmed at 7...my confirmation naew is Peter and trust me I did NOT get saved then. You assume the literagy and so-called holy-rights of the RC church makes one saved.

So your argument is that most Christians aren't Christians? Are you perhaps Mormon or a Jehovah's witness?

I'm pretty sure I succinctly stated what I stated.

But she does speak for YECs on this issue. She invented YEC.

She doesn't speak for anyone anymore...she's dead.

Can't say about SDAs, but she was very successful in convincing evangelicals.

Wrong...she was avoided like the plague by evangelicals. It was for a long time after she died that SDA's were accepted as Christians byt the main stream.

Innovation, when it comes to God's Word, is probably not a good idea.

Well then why would anyone believe in evolution...it is fairly recent and innovative?

With neither scripture nor evidence supporting that view, it's not surprising that relatively few Christians buy into it.

This is what frustrates most people about you Barbarian. You continue to use these sweeping statements that not only are NOT supported by ANY facts, but are downright misleading and false. What the Bible teaches in Gen is literal and true. Our faith in God demands that we recognize that in faith and not let ourselves be so easily distracted by theories that have no reality in fact.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
She could never have been confirmed in the Church if she did not. How is it a supposed former Christian does not know this?

I was confirmed at 7...my confirmation naew is Peter and trust me I did NOT get saved then.

Unless you are very old, that is a remarkably young age to be confirmed. And you would have had to confirm your acceptance of God and reject the devil to do so.

Perhaps you forgot. But where did you manage to get confirmed at seven, and when?

You assume the literagy and so-called holy-rights of the RC church makes one saved.

No, and if you had gotten confirmed, you would have known so. The Church teaches that salvation comes from Christ.

Barbarian chuckles:
So your argument is that most Christians aren't Christians? Are you perhaps Mormon or a Jehovah's witness?

I'm pretty sure I succinctly stated what I stated.

You declared that over half the world's Christians aren't Christians. You need to take that one up with God, not me.

Barbarian observes:
But she does speak for YECs on this issue. She invented YEC.

She doesn't speak for anyone anymore...she's dead.

But her doctrines live on in you.

Barbarian observes:
Can't say about SDAs, but she was very successful in convincing evangelicals.

Wrong...she was avoided like the plague by evangelicals.

But you and many of them bought her new version of Genesis.

Barbarian suggests:
Innovation, when it comes to God's Word, is probably not a good idea.

Well then why would anyone believe in evolution...it is fairly recent and innovative?

Two things wrong with that. First the idea of evolution is somewhat older than the Bible. Second, since it's a scientific theory, not a biblical doctrine, there's no concern about revising God's word.

Barbarian observes:
With neither scripture nor evidence supporting that view, it's not surprising that relatively few Christians buy into it.

This is what frustrates most people about you Barbarian. You continue to use these sweeping statements that not only are NOT supported by ANY facts, but are downright misleading and false.

I just showed you that the vast majority of the world's Christians belong to denominations that accept that evolution is consistent with Christian belief. Yes, I know you've redefined "Christian", but surely you understand that isn't going to convince anyone.

What the Bible teaches in Gen is literal and true.

So Jesus is going to be sorting livestock on the last day? You sure about that?

You're attacking from a very exposed position, it seems. BTW, you ignored my question whether you're a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. I would like to know.

 

[spartakis]

Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Universe, Earth, and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God during a relatively short period, sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago. Its primary adherents are Christians and Jews who believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days, taking a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative as a basis for their beliefs.

PLEASE let's not get personal...I know it's hard. Also PLEASE support yourself with FACTS, not conjecture.
Thanks
Stan

Yes I agree stan should of made this a poll. Don't have much time to post all the facts but there are many that show what God said in the Bible is true :yes

 

[GojuBrian]

Young Earth creationism (YEC) is the religious belief that the Universe, Earth, and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God during a relatively short period, sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago. Its primary adherents are Christians and Jews who believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days, taking a literal interpretation of the Genesis creation narrative as a basis for their beliefs.

PLEASE let's not get personal...I know it's hard. Also PLEASE support yourself with FACTS, not conjecture.
Thanks
Stan

I don't believe in evolution. WHO CARES about the rest........

 

[Stan53]

Unless you are very old, that is a remarkably young age to be confirmed. And you would have had to confirm your acceptance of God and reject the devil to do so.
Perhaps you forgot. But where did you manage to get confirmed at seven, and when?

It was consistant in the RC School I attended in the early 60's in Vancouver.
You honestly believe a seven year old has the congnesance to know if he is confessing Jesus as saviour?

No, and if you had gotten confirmed, you would have known so. The Church teaches that salvation comes from Christ.

Oh so now you're calling me a liar? I also attended RC High School in Quebes City and trust me the Catechism classes NEVER taught that.

You declared that over half the world's Christians aren't Christians. You need to take that one up with God, not me.

You made the comment Barbarian, about how many Christians there are. You may want to read Matthew 25:31-33. It is very apparent that Christians and non-christians are mixed together, just like sheep and goats.

But her doctrines live on in you.

Only in your view, and maybe some really hard line old time SDA's

But you and many of them bought her new version of Genesis.

Having NEVER heard her or her doctrines/visions, I can truthfully say I never bought a single word. My view comes from scripture and the Holy Spirit working in my life.

Two things wrong with that. First the idea of evolution is somewhat older than the Bible. Second, since it's a scientific theory, not a biblical doctrine, there's no concern about revising God's word.

I disagree, seeing as Darwin is called the Father of evolution.

Charles Darwin, the father of evolution, has been one of the most respected figures in the history of science especially in the biology field.

​

Your comments alone on these threads, serve to prove it does help to revise the meaning of God's Word.

I just showed you that the vast majority of the world's Christians belong to denominations that accept that evolution is consistent with Christian belief. Yes, I know you've redefined "Christian", but surely you understand that isn't going to convince anyone.

You made a statement, you didn't SHOW anything. I refuted your assertion. Now either prove it or drop the rhetoric.

You're attacking from a very exposed position, it seems. BTW, you ignored my question whether you're a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. I would like to know.

Oh so now I'm attacking. LOL...feeling a little intimidated are you?
Stop trying to deflect Barbarian. You already know the answer...you are deliberately acting obtuse. I'm not playing your game.

 

[GojuBrian]

Sure am glad this didn't turn into an argument..........THIS is why I don't care much about it.

 

[Barbarian]

I don't believe in evolution. WHO CARES about the rest........

God does. And that should be good enough. Even if you don't accept evolution, He still cares about you.

 

[Barbarian]

Barbarian observes:
Unless you are very old, that is a remarkably young age to be confirmed. And you would have had to confirm your acceptance of God and reject the devil to do so.
Perhaps you forgot. But where did you manage to get confirmed at seven, and when?

It was consistant in the RC School I attended in the early 60's in Vancouver.
You honestly believe a seven year old has the congnesance to know if he is confessing Jesus as saviour?

Some surely do. But not all. This is why the Church normally confirms at about 6th grade. (11-12).

Barbarian observes:
No, and if you had gotten confirmed, you would have known so. The Church teaches that salvation comes from Christ.

Oh so now you're calling me a liar?

Perhaps you forgot.

I also attended RC High School in Quebes City and trust me the Catechism classes NEVER taught that.

Let's take a look at the Catechism...
432 The name "Jesus" signifies that the very name of God is present in the person of his Son, made man for the universal and definitive redemption from sins. It is the divine name that alone brings salvation, and henceforth all can invoke his name, for Jesus united himself to all men through his Incarnation,23 so that "there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."24

571 The Paschal mystery of Christ's cross and Resurrection stands at the centre of the Good News that the apostles, and the Church following them, are to proclaim to the world. God's saving plan was accomplished "once for all"313 by the redemptive death of his Son Jesus Christ.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2H.HTM

And you took a class in this and never heard of it? Stranger and stranger.

Barbarian observes:
You declared that over half the world's Christians aren't Christians. You need to take that one up with God, not me.

You made the comment Barbarian, about how many Christians there are.

It is a fact:
Roman Catholic - The Roman Catholic Church denomination is the largest Christian group in the world today with more than a billion followers constituting about half of the world's Christian population.
Protestant - There are approximately 800 million Protestants in the world.
Orthodox - Approximately 260 million people worldwide are Orthodox Christians.
Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (2011)
(Pew considers anyone who is Christian but not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, to be "Protestant")

You may want to read Matthew 25:31-33. It is very apparent that Christians and non-christians are mixed together, just like sheep and goats.[/QUOTE]

The one where Jesus says that your works will determine where you spend eternity? Funny how the goats are always surprised, um?

Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian View Post
But her doctrines live on in you.

Only in your view

I showed you evidence that YE comes from her visions.

Barbarian observes:
But you and many of them bought her new version of Genesis.

Having NEVER heard her or her doctrines/visions, I can truthfully say I never bought a single word.

Her word was a literal six-day creation week, with God poofing living things out of nothing, one kind at a time. YE. And that wasn't what most evangelicals believed until her missionary spread her doctrine to them. Until the early 1900s, most evangelicals were OE creationists.

Barbarian observe:
Two things wrong with that. First the idea of evolution is somewhat older than the Bible. Second, since it's a scientific theory, not a biblical doctrine, there's no concern about revising God's word.

I disagree

Doesn't matter:
Evolutionary thought, the conception that species change over time, has roots in antiquity, in the ideas of the ancient Greeks, Romans, and Chinese as well as in medieval Islamic science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_evolutionary_thought

More recently, Lamarck proposed a theory of evolution unlike Darwin's.

Your comments alone on these threads, serve to prove it does help to revise the meaning of God's Word.

Remember, YE is a revision of God's word. It denies what God says in Genesis.

Barbarian observes:
I just showed you that the vast majority of the world's Christians belong to denominations that accept that evolution is consistent with Christian belief. Yes, I know you've redefined "Christian", but surely you understand that isn't going to convince anyone.

You made a statement, you didn't SHOW anything. I refuted your assertion. Now either prove it or drop the rhetoric.

See above. Who doesn't know that?

Barbarian observes:
You're attacking from a very exposed position, it seems. BTW, you ignored my question whether you're a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. I would like to know.

Oh so now I'm attacking.

Figure of speech. Veteran. Sorry about that.

LOL...feeling a little intimidated are you?

Well, you know how easily intimidated Barbarians are...

Stop trying to deflect Barbarian. You already know the answer...

No, I don't, because you won't tell us. But if you're uncomfortable telling us, I'm good with that. If you want to tell us, I'd still like to hear it.

 

[Ambrose]

God does. And that should be good enough. Even if you don't accept evolution, He still cares about you.

You treat anything but accepting Evolution like a horrible sin. There is no need to say that even if you dont accept evolution, He cares about you. (While if it was such a huge deal, He really would.) Come on, Not believing in Evolution is no where close to the equivalent of having sex with prostitutes every night. Not believing in Evolution does not leave a hole in your soul. I am starting to think you are taking this almost as seriously as salvation. (You can prove me wrong, I am not making a direct accusation, Just telling you what I am seeing.) Or maybe holding it as salvation itself. (Again not saying you believe that. Just picking that up myself from that statement.)

 

[Barbarian]

You treat anything but accepting Evolution like a horrible sin.

No. Your salvation isn't dependent at all on what you think of evolution, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

There is no need to say that even if you dont accept evolution, He cares about you. (While if it was such a huge deal, He really would.) Come on, Not believing in Evolution is no where close to the equivalent of having sex with prostitutes every night.

True dat. One is missing out on some of God's creation. The other can corrode your soul into something that cannot attain salvation.

Not believing in Evolution does not leave a hole in your soul.

Absolutely. The only evil of some forms of creationism, is they deny God's word, and some of them lead people into atheism.

I am starting to think you are taking this almost as seriously as salvation. (You can prove me wrong, I am not making a direct accusation, Just telling you what I am seeing.) Or maybe holding it as salvation itself. (Again not saying you believe that. Just picking that up myself from that statement.)

No offense taken. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

 

[handy]

Gee... the OP posed an interesting question... but I'm hesitant to answer because I'm not sure if this is to be a legitimate discussion; with the give and take of ideas, either agreed with or not, or just another "let's bash whomever disagrees with my POV thread."

Just in case it's to be legitimate discussion time, I'll tentatively put forth my opinion here... :o


As to the question of the OP, I'm fully onboard with this:

"the Universe, Earth, and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God"

but I don't necessarily agree with this:

"during a relatively short period"

and I pretty much disagree with this:

"sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago."

Geologically speaking, I believe that this rock we call earth is far, far older than 10,000 years.

Although I believe that life on the world was created in 6 24-hour days... I can also understand why some believe that the "days" of Genesis speak of various time frames, not necessarily 24 hours long. I don't think the issue is a hill upon which to die (or a matter of getting into an ugly argument with a brother or sister over either)...

As for the whole 5,700 - 10,000 years ago, my understanding is this number came from a monk... and I really don't have time to look up the name right now... who arrived at his date by simply counting the various ages of the people in geneologies... which strikes me as a particularly bad way of coming up with what many believe is a hard "fact". I see it all the time, people saying that the Bible "teaches clearly that the world is only 10,000 years old"... when the Bible teaches no such thing.

Simple fact is, God did not record for us the date when He created the world. So, it's silly for us to go all dogmatic, either way.

Could He have created the world 10,000 years ago? Certainly.

Did He record in His Scriptures that He did so? Nope.

This is one of these issues that, while the Bible is silent about it (specific date the world was created) an awful lot of Christians sure do shout about a lot.

 

[Ambrose]

No. Your salvation isn't dependent at all on what you think of evolution, and I wouldn't have it any other way.



True dat. One is missing out on some of God's creation. The other can corrode your soul into something that cannot attain salvation.



Absolutely. The only evil of some forms of creationism, is they deny God's word, and some of them lead people into atheism.



No offense taken. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Ok, Thanks for the cool response. Just needed to be corrected. Was only wondering what you meant. Yeah I agree that some of the historical forms of creationism were pretty brutal in the way of showing mercy, Which is demanded from Christ.

 

[Barbarian]

Could He have created the world 10,000 years ago? Certainly.

Did He record in His Scriptures that He did so? Nope.

This is one of these issues that, while the Bible is silent about it (specific date the world was created) an awful lot of Christians sure do shout about a lot.

Yep. And we need to remember, that it's not a salvation issue.

 

[GojuBrian]

God does. And that should be good enough. Even if you don't accept evolution, He still cares about you.

Even though I don't accept evolution....... Arrogant much?