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Self Assurance Doctrines

whats your point?
Don't you get it?
Your confidence is in you to be able to be saved by God.
That is the very works justification/salvation gospel that can not save you.
You are, literally, by definition an unbeliever.
You do not believe in the gospel of justification by faith, apart from works.

We can help you know how to be saved, and know you're saved, putting your entire reliance, by faith, into the work of Jesus to save you.
 
Then how is that good news?

You don't know?

My goodness.

We did not have any chance of being in God's kingdom.

Now all we have to do is to love God with all our heart soul, strength, and mind.

That is great news.
 
I didn't say he was; not in a direct, personal way. He is, though, the Savior of the world in a potential sense:
I agree with that.
You're entitled to your opinion, however mistaken.
By ignoring the very important difference between relationship and fellowship, you ensure that you will profoundly misunderstand God's word and what it is to walk with Him.
Illustrate an example, please.
You made the assertion that "Judas gave away his salvation." He never had it, as the verses I offered show.
I agree, as salvation won't be "ours" until the day of judgement declares it.
See Acts 2. This is the recounting of their spiritual birth and baptism into Christ by the Holy Spirit. This was the moment when the disciples were born-again.
Though I won't call what occurred on the day of Pentecost "baptism into Christ", it was the time of their reception of the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Without that Spirit they were still dead.
Rom 8:8-11..."So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."
I guess we can call that rebirth.
False. It was precisely because born-again believers were not perfect in their understanding and conduct that the various letters of the NT were written! See: 1 Corinthians 3:1-3, 5, 6, 11; Revelation 2-3, Ephesians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, etc.
While understanding and conduct are two vastly differing matters, I find it odd that you would deem folks still walking in the flesh as Christians?
If my prior verses from Rom 8 can't convince you that those walking in the flesh are not yet reborn, what can?
 
Could any human being save themselves from the penalty and power of Sin? The Bible is unequivocal and plain in answering "No." Our salvation is entirely Christ's domain; he is our Savior and our Salvation, sharing these roles and titles with no one outside of the Godhead (John 14:6; Acts 4:12; 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 John 5:11-12). To our salvation the Bible is also clear we can contribute nothing, which is why we need a Savior. When a person trusts in Christ as their Savior and submits to him as their Lord, they are born a second time, given a new, spiritual identity in Christ, and made a "new creature" in and by him (2 Corinthians 5:17; Romans 8:9-15; Romans 6:1-11; Ephesians 1:1-13, etc.). In other words, they are changed in a very fundamental way, not by their own power, not by contributing to Christ's perfect work, but by the Spirit of Christ alone who baptizes the believer into Christ Jesus, washing and regenerating them spiritually and making them new (Titus 3:5-8; Romans 8:9-13; 1 John 4:13). None of this is in the least contingent upon anything but the willingness of the humble, repentant sinner to believe and receive from Christ his saving work.

So, the believer is profoundly altered when Christ comes to dwell within him, given an entirely new nature by the Holy Spirit. Solely by the Spirit's power is the believer enabled, not just to do God's will, but to desire to do it; the born-again man can only work out what God has first worked into him (or her) by the Spirit (Philippians 2:12b-13). All this is necessary because, apart from God, apart from His enabling power, we can do nothing (John 15:4-5). We come to God "without strength," "foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another" (Romans 5:6; Titus 3:5). Prior to salvation, every person is "dead in trespasses and sins," bound under the power of the World, the Flesh and the devil (Ephesians 2:1-3). In such a condition, none of us can contribute in the slightest to saving ourselves. Even our understanding has to be aided by the convicting, illuminating and drawing efforts of the Holy Spirit (John 16:8; 1 Corinthians 2:10-16; John 6:44; 2 Timothy 2:25) in order for us to respond in faith to the truth of the Gospel.

In light of all this, what possible contribution can any of us make to the maintenance of our salvation? Any strength we have spiritually is in God, dwelling in us in the Person of the Holy Spirit more precisely, not in ourselves. In-and-of ourselves, we've got nothing we can contribute to what God has done in saving us, and is doing in making us more and more like Jesus Christ. But some hold that our faith is actually what saves us. So long as one's faith remains strong (whatever that means), one's salvation remains intact. In the minds of some, Jesus only kick-starts salvation; he gets it going for us, but we have to keep it going. Salvation is, then, a partnership, really; our spiritual regeneration is our doing as much as Christ's, in the end. In other words, Jesus has a co-Savior in each one of those who are saved.

To my mind, this is deeply blasphemous stuff. The Bible is crystal clear about how destitute of what was necessary to save ourselves we all were and how, without God, we can only continue to be so after our salvation. Christ is himself the believer's spiritual Life (Colossians 3:4); given what Scripture indicates, it is impossible such life could be located in anything within the believer's own natural capacities. Nonetheless, some want to intrude upon what God did for Man through Christ; they want to elevate themselves such that they can fulfill, or contribute to, or maintain, what only divine perfection and infiniteness could accomplish; they don't want to humble themselves under the truth of their deep impotence and foulness, but defy this reality by way of pious self-effort.

The many proof-texts to which these blasphemous "co-Saviors" refer in support of their blasphemy, aren't, by-and-large warning of lost salvation, but of failing to be saved at all, or of lost fellowship with God. The born-again person who ceases to believe God, to trust in His promises and to count on the truth of who He says they are in Christ, doesn't lose a salvation they had no part in achieving, but is cut-off from the joy, peace and grace of fellowship with God. It is to this fellowship that God's salvation of us is aimed; He wants more than merely to adopt us; His desire is for intimate, daily, direct communion with us. (1 Corinthians 1:9; 2 Corinthians 13:13; 1 John 1:3) This abundant, love-filled, transformative fellowship is supposed to be the ground of, the motivation for, all Christian living. We fall away from all of what could be ours in fellowship with God when we draw back in unbelief from the "exceeding great and precious promises" of God by which we are made "partakers of the divine nature" (2 Peter 1:2-4); we don't, however, lose our redeemed, justified and sanctified status, our salvation, which rests entirely in Jesus (1 Corinthians 1:30).

What freedom, and joy, and peace there is in abandoning the blasphemous, fear-mongering, saved-and-lost, works-salvation ideas that some are so eager to promote! What greater, better motivation there is to be found for holy, Christ-centered living in love and grace than in fear, pride and legalism!
And still, without our belief, all that God and His Son did is useless.
 
And still, without our belief, all that God and His Son did is useless.

Yup. Just like all a brain surgeon can do to save a person from a fatal brain tumor is useless if the person won't trust that he can. Of course, even if they do trust him, that doesn't save them. Only the surgeon's surgical work on their brain can do that. All the tumorous person can do is lie on an operating table and be saved by the surgeon; they can't help him or contribute to their salvation; they can only receive it.
 
I dunno....what's yours?
It's in my OP, dear.

If you don't know your point why do you even bother wasting writing in lengthy post?

If you two need to talk, please make your own thread.

I want my readers to get the messages of mine.

thank you.
 
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It's in my OP, dear.

If you don't know your point why do you even bother wasting writing in lengthy post?

If you two need to talk, please make your own thread.

I want my readers to get the messages of mine.

thank you.

Oh, I know what the point of my writing is. But it seems to me so obvious that remarking on it feels silly. In any case, if my point remains opaque to you, there's little hope, I think, that more explanation on my part will help you understand.

Having nothing more to add, then, I shall bow out of this thread.

Ciao!
 
Yup. Just like all a brain surgeon can do to save a person from a fatal brain tumor is useless if the person won't trust that he can. Of course, even if they do trust him, that doesn't save them. Only the surgeon's surgical work on their brain can do that. All the tumorous person can do is lie on an operating table and be saved by the surgeon; they can't help him or contribute to their salvation; they can only receive it.
Can/will God save an unbeliever?
 
All your verses do not give you self-assurance.
They give me spiritual assurance.
All Peter is saying is to do your best to be faithful.
He's saying a little more than that.
He has given us the ways of growth in Christ.
Self-assurance is an arrogant attitude that is against Jesus' teaching of humility.
Constant doubt is a lack of faith.
Humility is a must in His followers' virtue.
Yep, as long as that humility is to God.
 
They give me spiritual assurance.
who did?

Don't bother answering it.

I haven't seen any of you showing that Jesus tells you you are in charge of your self-claim of salvation.

I showed you the opposite in the OP.

So Please take your claims elsewhere and make your own thread.

You are making a clutter of my thread with repetitious meaningless claims.

thank you.
 
The scriptures I posted.
Don't bother answering it.
Too late.
I haven't seen any of you showing that Jesus tells you you are in charge of your self-claim of salvation.
There will be no salvation until the book of life is read from, and one's name is in it.
I showed you the opposite in the OP.
So Please take your claims elsewhere and make your own thread.
You are making a clutter of my thread with repetitious meaningless claims.
thank you.
Constant doubt is a lack of faith in one's ability to hold fast to the Lord.
I will claim only conversion until I hear my name read from THE book.
 
The scriptures I posted.

Too late.

There will be no salvation until the book of life is read from, and one's name is in it.

Constant doubt is a lack of faith in one's ability to hold fast to the Lord.
I will claim only conversion until I hear my name read from THE book.
bye, dear.
 
Are you asserting that you are already saved?
Why do you ask me this question?

Take a look at OP.

I am Jesus' follower and His word applies to me too.

If we dishonor His word, His judgments will be even harsher.

Just because you claim to be His, saved and born again, you will not escape from judgment.


bye.
 
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Why do you ask me this question?
Because of your "bye, dear".
Take a look at OP.
I am Jesus' follower and His word applies to me too.
If we dishonor His word, His judgments will be even harsher.

Just because you claim to be His, saved and born again, you will not escape from judgment.
Agreed.
Knowing Who we serve, and serving no other, will guide us to "heaven".
 
Because of your "bye, dear".

Agreed.
Knowing Who we serve, and serving no other, will guide us to "heaven".
If you agree with me why are you in this thread for so long?????????

You guys are in this 9 pages, for pete's sake.

I said bye because you are still in this thread for no good reason.

Make your own thread instead of giving me your kind of comment.

What you are doing is trolling.

Give some respect to OP.

Please no more replies.

bye.
 
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If you agree with me why are you in this thread for so long?????????

You guys are in this 9 pages, for pete's sake.

I said bye because you are still in this thread for no good reason.

Make your own thread instead of giving me your kind of comment.

What you are doing is trolling.

Give some respect to OP.

Please no more replies.

bye.
Hmmm.
I thought I was backing you up ?
 
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