Can you explain me how believers earns his eternal life with God by their righteousness???
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Can you explain me how believers earns his eternal life with God by their righteousness???
I don't think he said they could.
But then why does he say that believers do make attempts to earn eternal life with their own righteousness. I need examples.
Doulos Iesou
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Our works do have something to do with it, but it's important to note who is ultimately responsible for our good works, God, which is why they bring glory to him.
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; Romans 2:6-7
This text contradicts so many people's theology today, in that every text on judgment speaks to God judging according to our works.
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jocor
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How you arrived at the erroneous judgment that I am relying on my own righteousness for salvation is beyond me. My post concerned two types of righteousness.
1) imputed righteousness by faith which allows us to stand perfect before Yahweh
2) righteousness resulting from doing the good works that we were ordained to do. This kind of righteousness does not save a person. It is merely the result of being saved.
2) righteousness resulting from doing the good works that we were ordained to do. This kind of righteousness does not save a person. It is merely the result of being saved.
BigSodaExposer
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Ezekiel 14:14 "Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD."
100 percent righteous in flesh isnt possible. Thus faith is the sin buffer to take you to the full 100. Abrahams faith was counted for righteousness. And through Christ we are made the righteousness of God.
Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
100 percent righteous in flesh isnt possible. Thus faith is the sin buffer to take you to the full 100. Abrahams faith was counted for righteousness. And through Christ we are made the righteousness of God.
Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"
Therefore if you do not believe in the rightiousness of Jesus will be imputed to us upon the day of Judgement you must believe that people must provide their own rightiousness to justify their own eternal place with God in his perfect existence... Thus you are a works based believer... Please tell me where i am wrong with my conclusion in this post .. If i am wrong?
No. I cannot. Because i do not believe it is possible for a person to earn eternal life with God by their own rightiousness.
Having re-read your post i see misread it and came to the wrong conclusion. I apologise for my mistake jocor.
So why did you say that believers can rely in their own righteousness for eternal life? If you think that way I need examples from real life incidents
Doulos Iesou
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I believe that Justification primarily is a relational issue, in that faith in Christ is now the new sign of the being part of the Covenant family of God, and not Circumcision or obedience to the Law. Also, the law court imagery comes in, in that the person is justified upon believing, and that presupposes the future justification of the believer on the last day.
This final judgement of the believer is based upon the life they have lived in the Spirit and thus are judged on Spirit wrought works. So it is not that they are rewarded for the good they have done necessarily, but their continued faithfulness which resulted in the Holy Spirit working through their lives.
As it says in the Scriptures:
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Philippians 2:12-13 (ESV)
Notice, that we shouldn't work out our fear and trembling by trying harder to do good works, but rather we should examine ourselves to see if God truly is working in us. For, if he is, then he will be working in us to will (choose to do good) and work (actually do the good) for his good pleasure. Remember, this isn't just about salvation, but God is establishing a Kingdom of redeemed humanity who are to retake dominion from the forces of darkness.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
We do do this ...we step out side of God's plan... opps i need to get back... we are trying to do good... Getting carried away in doing good deeds does not necessarily keep us from Salvation or His Kingdom... It hinders our walk we have to get back on the right trail ...
Ever has anyone stepped up to do something (good) and if failed.... God does not fail...
I would rather fail at doing good deeds then fail at doing nothing...
There is nothing i can do to buy , gain, enhance, my Salvation it was paid for at the Cross.....
The parables of the unprofitable servant and good Samaritan come to mind.
iLOVE
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Question: "What does the Bible say about self-righteousness?"
Answer: The dictionary definition of self-righteousness is “confidence in one’s own righteousness, especially when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.” Biblically speaking, self-righteousness, which is related to legalism, is the idea that we can somehow generate within ourselves a righteousness that will be acceptable to God (Romans 3:10). Although any serious Christian would recognize the error of this thought, because of our sin nature, it is a constant temptation to all of us to believe we are, or can be, righteous in and of ourselves. In the New Testament, Jesus and the apostle Paul came down particularly hard on those who attempted to live in self-righteousness.
Jesus’ condemnation of self-righteousness was especially harsh in His treatment of the Jewish leadership of the time. Six times in Matthew 23, Jesus condemns the scribes and Pharisees for rigidly adhering to their legalistic traditions in order to make themselves look better to others. The parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector was specifically told by Jesus to “some who trusted in themselves, that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt” (Luke 18:9–14). The Pharisee assumed his acceptance with God based on his own actions, whereas the tax collector recognized that there was nothing in himself that would cause God to approve of him. Over and over again in the Gospels, Jesus clashes with the Pharisees and scribes about true righteousness. At the same time, He spends a great deal of time and energy warning His disciples about the dangers of self-righteousness, making it clear that, without Him, they could do nothing (John 15:5).
Paul’s treatment of self-righteousness is no less scathing than Jesus’ was. He began his great argument in Romans for the grace of God by condemning the Jews’ self-righteous trust in circumcision (Romans 2:17–24). He follows that up in chapter 10, saying that the Jews tried to gain acceptance with God based on their own righteousness, demonstrating ignorance of the true righteousness of God (Romans 10:3). His conclusion is that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, not man (verse 4).
Paul’s letter to the Galatian church also addressed this issue. These believers were being told that they had to do certain things to be acceptable to God, specifically, to be circumcised. Paul goes so far as to say that this is another gospel and calls those who advocate it “accursed” (Galatians 1:8–9). More tellingly, he tells his readers that, if righteousness could come from their own actions, then Jesus died “for no purpose” (Galatians 2:21), and that righteousness could come “by the law” (Galatians 3:21). Paul’s conclusion about the Galatian believers was that they had been foolish in their attempt to be perfected by the flesh (Galatians 3:1–3).
It would be an understatement to say that every believer is plagued by this attitude. It is in our sin nature to try to do something to merit our salvation. The costly freedom of grace, bought for us by the blood of Jesus with no contribution from us, is difficult for our prideful hearts to understand or appreciate. It is far easier to compare ourselves with one another than it is to recognize that we cannot measure up to the standards of a holy God. However, in Christ we can know true righteousness. In Christ, we can know the forgiveness of sin that comes to us through grace. Because He stood in our place, we benefit from both His sinless life and His sin-bearing death (2 Corinthians 5:21). Because of His sacrifice, we can face our sin and bring it to the cross, rather than try somehow to be good enough for God. Only in the cross can we see the grace that covers all our sin and defeat the constant tendency toward self-righteousness in our hearts.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/self-righteousness.html#ixzz3L8csYw2M
What's bad in doing good. We are here to do good works and every believer knows what God hast done on the cross. But you still didn't clarify what a believer can do which may irk God.
I don't think gospel is so complicated to make one understand that there nothing any one can buy, gain, enhance, for his or her salvation.
But I want the poster who quoted this to give me real life examples so that I can understand better if self-righteousness does exist. I mean atleast among we Gentiles.
I think any one is doing no harm when he encourages others to pray, fast, meditate in the word and fellowship with the church of God but what about people who discourage people by saying that your prayer can't save you, your bible reading can't save you, your fasting can't save you, your fellowship can't save you isn't that self-righteousness and it's also like feeding Satan with fodder.
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jocor
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Having re-read your post i see misread it and came to the wrong conclusion. I apologise for my mistake jocor.
I forgive you.
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elijah23
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Jesus said we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. How does it feel when someone behaves self-righteously?
I still disagree with you. You still are stating that your works will be part of your salvation. Yes our works will be judged but not in regard to our salvation but in regard to greater rewards in Eternity with God. Our salvation is 100% secured by our faith in Jesus and His works. Our works have nothing to do with our
I think you have misread me somewhere. Please quote me where i said this thing. And i will read it as see if i can figure it out.
thanks
Thank you.
Doulos Iesou
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Our works have everything to do with the final judgment, every reference to the final judgment is in regards to our works.
He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; Romans 2:6-7 (ESV)
This text teaches that he rewards good works with eternal life, not just ambiguous rewards.
Now, the more interesting question is how then does God and our faith relate to our works? That is the key question, and it is how we tie statements like this.
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:24 (ESV)
Isn't strange where the only time the phrase "faith alone" is used, it is used to express that a person is justified by works and not faith alone?
You fail to realize that our good works bring glory to our Father in heaven, and not ourselves, and is not some form of self-justification in order to reach heaven. Rather, it is heaven coming down and empowering us to live life in the Spirit, and be God's redeemed people for the world.
I agree with Paul's statement here:
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. Galatians 5:6 (ESV)
If you notice, you will see he doesn't just say "faith," but rather it is faith in action, faith that is working through love. That is the only thing that counts.