Seventh-Day Adventism - Orthodox or Cult?

[Soma-Sight]

I have already shown that you do the work of satan, by accusing fellow christians that they can not be christians. I have shown that your works are of the devil himself.

He really seems to not like the Adventists?

I wonder why?

Revelation 12:17

Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspringâ€â€those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

 

[Solo]

Admiral,
No where have I stated that the members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church were not Christians. In fact, I have stated that there are Christian pastors, elders, and members that were Christians and that those that have recognized the false doctrines of the Seventh Day Adventist Church, have left. Some have even been excommunicated because of their Biblical stand against the false prophet and the false doctrines. Your constant attacks against me show you inability to understand God's Word, and it also shows that you are doing the same thing that you accuse me of doing. As far as Soma-Sight goes.....well Soma's credentials are suspect and he spends more time attacking Christianity than he does supporting it.
Keep in touch, however, because more truth of the cultic Seventh Day Adventist doctrines will follow. Instead of attacking good ole me, how about taking time and praying for the members of the SDA so that they can come out of the bondage that they are under.

 

[Soma-Sight]

well Soma's credentials are suspect and he spends more time attacking Christianity than he does supporting it

An inquiry? Is this blasphemy?

I have problems with some SDA attitudes myself. Many are self righteous and think of themselves as the "new Jews". They can be legalistic and I have questions as well.

Of course I have problems with the bad fruits of the evangelical Sunday movement as well. Sunday never was, and never will be the Seventh Day Sabbath.

You dont have to agree with 100 percent of your "Churches" doctrine because in reality there is no Church that has it all correct.

Man is fallible and until Jesus is standing there with a professor hat on and a chalkboard explainign correct doctrine we are all still "the blind leading the blind". [/b]

 

[Solo]

well Soma's credentials are suspect and he spends more time attacking Christianity than he does supporting it

An inquiry? Is this blasphemy?

I have problems with some SDA attitudes myself. Many are self righteous and think of themselves as the "new Jews". They can be legalistic and I have questions as well.

Of course I have problems with the bad fruits of the evangelical Sunday movement as well. Sunday never was, and never will be the Seventh Day Sabbath.

You dont have to agree with 100 percent of your "Churches" doctrine because in reality there is no Church that has it all correct.

Man is fallible and until Jesus is standing there with a professor hat on and a chalkboard explainign correct doctrine we are all still "the blind leading the blind". [/b]

The Church of Philadelphia had it 100% correct, what makes you think that no church today has it 100% correct?

 

[Soma-Sight]

The Church of Philadelphia had it 100% correct, what makes you think that no church today has it 100% correct?

Maybe your right.

Revelation talks of the "remnant" Church which is the one that follows the commandments of Christ/God.

Of course the problem is... even if you have a "Church" with 100 percent correct doctrine... the individual members of that Church will still probably disagree with some things and contradict others in the name of hypocrisy.

144,000? Is this symbolic or?????

 

[Solo]

The Church of Philadelphia had it 100% correct, what makes you think that no church today has it 100% correct?

Maybe your right.

Revelation talks of the "remnant" Church which is the one that follows the commandments of Christ/God.

Of course the problem is... even if you have a "Church" with 100 percent correct doctrine... the individual members of that Church will still probably disagree with some things and contradict others in the name of hypocrisy.

144,000? Is this symbolic or?????

144,000 is literal. It is the calling out of 12,000 Jewish virgin men from eaach of the 12 tribes of Israel to follow Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with how many Jehovah Witnesses go to heaven. Here are the verses of scripture that show the 144,000.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 14:1-5
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Here are all of the verses of scripture in the New Testament that use the Word remnant. Which verse is the verse that uses the word remnant for Church?

Matthew 22:6
And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Revelation 11:13
And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[Soma-Sight]

144,000 is literal. It is the calling out of 12,000 Jewish virgin men from eaach of the 12 tribes of Israel to follow Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with how many Jehovah Witnesses go to heaven. Here are the verses of scripture that show the 144,000.

I see.

So you believe the "remnant" to not be a "Church" but rather...????

By looking at this verse I always took it that the "woman" represents a "Chruch".

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Solo]

144,000 is literal. It is the calling out of 12,000 Jewish virgin men from eaach of the 12 tribes of Israel to follow Jesus Christ. It has nothing to do with how many Jehovah Witnesses go to heaven. Here are the verses of scripture that show the 144,000.

I see.

So you believe the "remnant" to not be a "Church" but rather...????

By looking at this verse I always took it that the "woman" represents a "Chruch".

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I see remnant as being those remaining that keep God's commandments and keep the testimony of Jesus. Satan has operated in wrath against the Jews and against Christians. I believe that the Woman described is Judah from whose linage Jesus was born into, and that the remnant of the Woman are those that hold to the commandments of Jesus and the testimony of Jesus. To say that the "remnant" is one specific Church or group of believers is wrong. The "remnant" includes all of God's chosen at the time of this occurance that is outlined in Revelation. Read the entire chapter 12.

The Greek word λοιπων, transliterate Loipon is used 41 times in the New Testament and is defined as:

1. remaining, the rest.

• a. the rest of any number
  or class under consideration
  
  b. with a certain distinction and
  contrast, the rest, who are not
  of a specific class or number
  
  c. the rest of the things that remain

The Greek word λοιπων is translated as the following English words:
other 15, rest 12, others 7, remnant 4, residue 1, which remains 1, other things 1

The scriptures using this word in John's book of Revelation are as follows:

Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Revelation 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[Solo]

(Continuation of Ellen G. White's Reflections and Statements) Here is a statement from the Official Seventh Day Adventist Website found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/sun/ .
This statement is found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/bel ... phecy.html

• As delegates to the 2005 General Conference Session in St Louis, Missouri, we acknowledge that the Seventh-day Adventist Church has been richly blessed by the Lord through the gift of prophecy manifested in the ministry and writings of Ellen G White. Through it the Lord guided the development of the Church from a small number of members to a worldwide movement entrusted with the proclamation of a message of salvation in Christ and the hope of His soon return in glory. Her ministry has directly contributed to the preservation of the unity of the Church and has sustained it in difficult times. Her writings continue to be a most positive influence in the life of the Church, providing for it comfort, guidance, instruction, correction, and theological stimulus. Their study will constantly lead the Church back to the Bible as the very foundation of faith and practice.
  
  As delegates, we affirm the important role the writings of Ellen G White still play in nurturing the Adventist movement and in preserving the unity of the world Church. Consequently, we call upon Seventh-day Adventists throughout the world to prayerfully study her writings, in order to understand more fully God's purpose for His remnant people. We call upon church leaders at all administrative levels to plan and facilitate the promotion and study of the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy in their respective fields. We call upon our youth to acquaint themselves with the wealth of divine counsel found in these writings because it will greatly enrich their lives as they serve the Lord and fellow human beings. [Emphasis Added]

Below is a survey of Ellen G. White's statements which contradict the Bible and can be found at http://www.macgregorministries.org/seve ... %20to%2014
A SURVEY OF ADDITIONS
WHICH MRS. WHITE MAKES TO THE SCRIPTURES by J.Mark Martin

"The writings of Mrs. White point constantly to the Bible as the great source of all spiritual truth. They abound in Scriptural quotations, to which she gives no fanciful interpretation" Life and Teachings of Ellen G. White, p. 123.

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39. SATAN WAS OFFERED A PARDON IN HEAVEN

"God in His great mercy bore long with Lucifer. He was not immediately degraded from his exalted station when he first indulged the spirit of discontent, nor even when he began to present his false claims before the loyal angels. Long was he retained in heaven. Again and again he was offered pardon on condition of repentance and submission". The Great Controversy, p. 495-496.

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40. ADAM CROWNED KING

"Adam was crowned King in Eden" Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7a, p. 1082.

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41. EVE WANDERED AWAY FROM ADAM'S SIDE

"Eve wandered away from the side of her husband, and was gazing with mingled curiosity and admiration upon the fruit of the forbidden tree. Satan, in the form of a serpent, conversed with Eve....She ate and was delighted with the fruit. She took the fruit and found her husband....Adam regretted that Eve had left his side, but now the deed was done". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 39,40,42.

"Adam censured Eve's folly in leaving his side, and being deceived by the serpent". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 44.

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42. THE SERPENT THAT DECEIVED EVE HAD WINGS AND FLEW

"This serpent was a very beautiful creature with wings; and while flying through the air his appearance was very bright, resembling the color of burnished gold. He did not go upon the ground, but went from place to place through the air, and ate fruit Iike man". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 39,40.

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43. GOD HELD A COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO

"The news of man's fall spread through Heaven&endash;every harp was hushed. The angels cast their crowns from their heads in sorrow....A council was held to decide what must be done with the guilty pair". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 44.

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44. ANGELS WOULD HAVE DIED FOR MAN

An angel told Mrs. White that "Angels were so interested for man's salvation that there could be found among them those who would yield their glory and give their Iife for perishing man". Early Writings, p. 127.

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45. ABEL'S SACRIFICE WAS CONSUMED BY A LIGHT FROM HEAVEN

"A Iight flashes from heaven and consumes the offering of Abel. Cain sees no manifestation that his is accepted".Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 48.

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46. ANGELS COMMUNICATED WITH ADAM AFTER THE FALL

"Angels held communication with Adam after his fall, and informed him of the plan of salvation, and that the human race was not beyond redemption" Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 52.

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47. ADAM KEPT THE SABBATH

"The Sabbath was observed before the fall. Because Adam and Eve disobeyed God's command, and ate of the forbidden fruit, they were expelled from Eden; but they observed the Sabbath after their fall". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 52.

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48. GOD REMOVED EDEN AND WILL RETURN IT TO EARTH

"The pure and lovely garden of Eden, from which our first parents were driven, remained until God purposed to destroy the earth by a flood. God had planted that garden, and especially blessed it, and in his wonderful providence withdrew it from the earth, and will return it to the earth again, more gloriously adorned than before it was removed from the earth". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 55.

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49. ENOCH WAS TROUBLED IN REGARD TO THE DEAD

"Enoch was troubled in regard to the dead It seemed to him that the righteous and the wicked would go to the dust together, and that would be their end". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 55.

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50. ENOCH'S FACE RADIATED LIGHT

"Enoch continued to grow more heavenly while communing with God. His face was radiant with a holy Iight which would remain upon his countenance while instructing those who would hear his words of wisdom." His heavenly and dignified appearance struck the people with awe". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 57.

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51. SOME RACES ARE A MIXTURE OF MAN AND BEAST

"But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 64.

"Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 4, p. 75

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52. JESUS DIED FOR THE ANGELS

"To the angels and the unfallen worlds the cry, "It is finished," had a deep significance. It was for them as well as for us that the great work of redemption had been accomplished. They with us share the fruits of Christ's victory". The Desire of Ages, p. 758

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53. CHRIST RESTRAINED THE DEMONS

Commenting on the account of the healing of the demoniacs at Gadara, and the demon possessed herd of swine which was swept into the sea.

Mrs. White states: "Had not Christ restrained the demons, they would have plunged into the sea, not only the swine, but also their keepers and owners" . The Great Controversy, p. 515.

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54. IT TAKES SEVEN DAYS TO GET TO HEAVEN

"We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought the crowns, and with His own right hand placed them on our heads" Early Writings, p. 16.

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55. THERE ARE HOUSES IN HEAVEN WITH GOLDEN SHELVES

''There I saw most glorious houses, that had the appearance of silver, supported by four pillars set with pearls most glorious to behold...."In each was a golden shelf. I saw many of the saints go into the houses, take off their glittering crowns and lay them on the shelf,..." Early Writings, p. 18.

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56. ANGELS HAVE A GOLD CARD

"There is perfect order and harmony in the Holy City. All the angels that are commissioned to visit the earth hold a golden card, which they present to the angels at the gates of the city as they pass in and out" Early Writings, p. 39.

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57. A SOLEMN WARNING

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to them, God shall add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book" . Revelation 22:18-19

 

[Soma-Sight]

Solo,

Do you know what a prophet is?

Ellen G White is a Prophet.

She had visions of things beyond the current knowledge of the Church at that time. I believe she saw what she did and much of it makes complete sense to me. "The Golden Snake with Wings" that ends up getting "cursed to the ground to eat dust". Sounds like a dragon getting cursed to crawl for its misbehaviour! Why the snake gets punished I will never know? t was merely a tool!

Anyways God reveals His Will slowly throughout time and as time goes on... so does Revelation.

Otherwise we would all still be Catholic.

You should read the Desire of Ages in its entirety and than make a decision regarding the merits of EG White.

 

[Solo]

Solo,

Do you know what a prophet is?

Ellen G White is a Prophet.

She had visions of things beyond the current knowledge of the Church at that time. I believe she saw what she did and much of it makes complete sense to me. "The Golden Snake with Wings" that ends up getting "cursed to the ground to eat dust". Sounds like a dragon getting cursed to crawl for its misbehaviour! Why the snake gets punished I will never know? t was merely a tool!

Anyways God reveals His Will slowly throughout time and as time goes on... so does Revelation.

Otherwise we would all still be Catholic.

You should read the Desire of Ages in its entirety and than make a decision regarding the merits of EG White.

I was given the book Desire of the Ages in its entirety 22 years ago when I attended a 30 day Seventh Day Adventist Crusade.

You can continue to believe that Ellen G. White is a prophet of God if you like.

I have shown and will continue to show a Seventh Day Adventist research into why Ellen G. White is a false prophet.

It might do you some good to read and research the items that I have posted here concerning Ellen G. White. You might become enlightened that she was indeed a false prophet, as were Mary Baker Eddy, Joseph Smith, Herbert Armstrong, etc.

 

[Soma-Sight]

I was given the book Desire of the Ages in its entirety 22 years ago when I attended a 30 day Seventh Day Adventist Crusade.

Well I am glad you actually have attended SDA meetings and what not.

The Desire of Ages is thought to be one of the best, if not the best book on the life of Christ (besides the Bible)

About the Author

Ellen White was a woman of remarkable spiritual gifts who lived most of her life during the nineteenth century (1827-1915), yet through her writings she is still making a revolutionary impact on millions of people around the world. During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books; but today, including compilations from her 50,000 pages of manuscript, more than 100 titles are available in English. She is the most translated woman writer in the entire history of literature, and the most translated American author of either gender. Her writings cover a broad range of subjects, including religion, education, social relationships, evangelism, prophecy, publishing, nutrition, and management. Her life-changing masterpiece on successful Christian living, Steps to Christ, has been published in more than 140 languages. --This text refers to the Paperback edition.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081631 ... e&n=283155

 

[Soma-Sight]

Solo,

Whats worse...

An SDA or a Universalist?

 

[Solo]

I was given the book Desire of the Ages in its entirety 22 years ago when I attended a 30 day Seventh Day Adventist Crusade.

Well I am glad you actually have attended SDA meetings and what not.

The Desire of Ages is thought to be one of the best, if not the best book on the life of Christ (besides the Bible)

About the Author

Ellen White was a woman of remarkable spiritual gifts who lived most of her life during the nineteenth century (1827-1915), yet through her writings she is still making a revolutionary impact on millions of people around the world. During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books; but today, including compilations from her 50,000 pages of manuscript, more than 100 titles are available in English. She is the most translated woman writer in the entire history of literature, and the most translated American author of either gender. Her writings cover a broad range of subjects, including religion, education, social relationships, evangelism, prophecy, publishing, nutrition, and management. Her life-changing masterpiece on successful Christian living, Steps to Christ, has been published in more than 140 languages. --This text refers to the Paperback edition.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081631 ... e&n=283155

The posts that I have made in this thread show otherwise.

 

[Solo]

(Continuation of Ellen G. White's Reflections and Statements) Here is a statement from the Official Seventh Day Adventist Website found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/sun/ .
This statement is found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/bel ... phecy.html

• As delegates to the 2005 General Conference Session in St Louis, Missouri, we acknowledge that the Seventh-day Adventist Church has been richly blessed by the Lord through the gift of prophecy manifested in the ministry and writings of Ellen G White. Through it the Lord guided the development of the Church from a small number of members to a worldwide movement entrusted with the proclamation of a message of salvation in Christ and the hope of His soon return in glory. Her ministry has directly contributed to the preservation of the unity of the Church and has sustained it in difficult times. Her writings continue to be a most positive influence in the life of the Church, providing for it comfort, guidance, instruction, correction, and theological stimulus. Their study will constantly lead the Church back to the Bible as the very foundation of faith and practice.
  
  As delegates, we affirm the important role the writings of Ellen G White still play in nurturing the Adventist movement and in preserving the unity of the world Church. Consequently, we call upon Seventh-day Adventists throughout the world to prayerfully study her writings, in order to understand more fully God's purpose for His remnant people. We call upon church leaders at all administrative levels to plan and facilitate the promotion and study of the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy in their respective fields. We call upon our youth to acquaint themselves with the wealth of divine counsel found in these writings because it will greatly enrich their lives as they serve the Lord and fellow human beings. [Emphasis Added]

Below is a survey of Ellen G. White's statements which contradict the Bible and can be found at http://www.macgregorministries.org/seve ... %20to%2014

MRS. WHITE CONTRADICTS HERSELF by J.Mark Martin

The word "inspiration" means "God-breathed." The nature of God dictates the nature of inspiration. The Bible teaches that God does not change, "For I, the Lord, do not change; " Malachi 3:6. He is the same "...yesterday and today, yes and forever". Hebrews 13:8.

God's Word never changes or contradicts itself! "Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven" Psalm 119:89. "The law ["torah," or Scripture] of the Lord is perfect, restoring the soul, The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;" Psalm 19:7-8 (emphasis added).

Any new revelation God gives will not contradict any previous light He has given.

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58. DEITY "DID" AND "DID NOT" SINK AND DIE

"Men need to understand that Deity suffered and sank under the agonies of Calvary". Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 907

"The Deity did not sink under the agonizing torture of Calvary, yet it is nonetheless true that "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p. 1129

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59. GOD DOES NOT LOVE CHILDREN WHEN THEY DO WRONG

"God loves honest-hearted children. but cannot love those who are dishonest.

"The Lord loves those little children who try to do right, and He has promised that they shall be in His kingdom. But wicked children God does not love....When you feel tempted to speak impatient and fretful [slc], remember the Lord sees you, and will not love you if you do wrong" An Appeal to the Youth, Battle Creek Mich.: Steam Press, 1864, p. 42,62.

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60. GOD DOES LOVE CHILDREN WHEN THEY DO WRONG

"Do not teach your children that God does not love them when they do wrong; teach them that He loves them so that it grieves His tender Spirit to see them in transgression" .Signs of the Times, February 15, 1892.

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61. THE DOOR OF SALVATION IS FOREVER SHUT

Mrs. White taught that the "door" of salvation, or "probation" as she referred to it, had forever shut for the world in 1844.

In a letter to Joseph Bates, Mrs. White refers to the fact that by recounting her vision to a group of Adventists she persuaded them to believe that the door of mercy was shut.

"At the time I had the vision of the midnight cry I had given it up in the past and thought it future, as also most of the band had...After I had the vision and God gave me light, he bade me delver it to the band, but I shrank from it. I was young, and I thought they would not receive it from me...The view about the Bridegroom's coming I had about the middle of February, 1845, while in Exeter, Maine, in meeting with Israel Dammon, James, and many others. Many of them did not believe in a shut door. I suffered much at the commencement of the meeting. Unbelief seemed to be on every hand....The Lord worked in mighty power, setting the truth home to their hearts....Most of them received the vision, and were settled upon the shut door". Letter B-3-1847, Letter to Joseph Bates, July 13, 1847, White Estate.

In his 1847 publication, A Word to the 'Little Flock", James White recounts this experience:

"When she received her first vision, Dec. 1844, she and all the band in Portland, Maine, (where her parents then resided) had given up the midnight-cry, and shut door, as being in the past. It was then that the Lord shew [sic] her in vision, the error into which she and the band in Portland had fallen. She then related her vision to the band, and about sixty confessed the error, and acknowledged their 7th month experience to be the work of God". p. 22

On March 24, 1849 Mrs. White clearly states that her vision taught her that the door of salvation was shut. She warns the faithful not to allow their falth to be shaken in the shut door by the apparent conversion of sinners since 1844.

"I was shown that the commandments of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, relating to the shut door, could not be separated....I saw that the mysterious signs and wonders and false reformations would increase and spread. The reformations that were shown me were not reformations from error to truth, but from bad to worse, for those who professed a change of heart had only wrapped about them a religious garb, which covered up the iniquity of a wicked heart. Some appeared to have been really converted, so as to deceive God's people, but if their hearts could be seen they would appear as black as ever. My accompanying angel bade me look for the travail of soul for sinners as used to be. I looked, but could not see it, for the time for their salvation is past". Present Truth, p. 21-22, August, 1849

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62. MRS. WHITE DENIES SHE EVER HAD A VISION CONFIRMING THE "SHUT DOOR"

"For a time after the disappointment in 1844, I did hold, in common with the advent body, that the door of mercy was then forever closed to the world. This position was taken before my first vision was given me. It was the light given me of God that corrected our error, and enabled us to see the true position". Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 63

"With my brethren and sisters, after the time passed in forty-four I did believe no more sinners would be converted. But I never had a vision that no more sinners would be converted. And am clear and free to state no one has ever heard me say or has read from my pen statements which will justify them in the charges they have made against me upon this point". Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 74

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63. WHAT ABOUT LYING PROPHETS

Mrs. White's own testimony forces us to conclude that she is Iying! The Lord has some very unpleasant things to say about Iying prophets:

"They see falsehood and Iying divination who are saying, 'The Lord declares,' when the Lord has not sent them; yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word. Did you not see a false vision and speak a Iying divination when you said, 'the Lord declares,' but it is not I who have spoken?" "Therefore, thus says the Lord God, "Because you have spoken falsehood and seen a lie, therefore behold, I am against you," declares the Lord God. So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter Iying divinations. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord God" Ezekiel 13:6-9

Although it has been proven that Mrs. White was actively involved in plagiarism, taking the words of other authors and using them as her own without giving credit, she denied this.

"Although I am as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them. yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in marks of quotation".Selected Messages, bk. 1, p. 37

The following is but one of many of examples where Mrs. White used something from a book she had in her library, giving the impression that she received it in a vision from God.

L.B. Coles, Philosophy of Health: Natural Principles of Health and Cure. "Parents are also under obligation to teach and oblige their children to conform to physical law for their own sakes. How strange and unaccountable that mothers should Iove their children so tenderly as to indulge them in what they have occasion to know may injure their constitutions and impair their happiness for life. May many children be delivered from such mothers, and from such cruel kindness! The managers and teachers of schools..." (Boston: William D. Ticknor & Co., 1849, 1851, 1853), p. 144-145.

"I was shown that one great cause of the existing deplorable state of things is that parents do not feel under obligation to bring up their children to conform to physical law. Mothers love their children with an idolatrous love and indulge their appetite when they know that it will injure their health and thereby bring upon them disease and unhappiness....

They have sinned against Heaven and against their children, and God will hold them accountable. The managers and teachers of schools..." Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 141, 1872 , (see contents p. 1).

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64. PORK IS A NOURISHING, STRENGTHENING FOOD

"Those who labor with their hands must nourish their strength to perform this labor, and those also who labor in word and doctrine must nourish their strength; for Satan and his evil angels are warring against them to tear down their strength. They should seek rest of body and mind from wearing labor when they can, and should eat of nourishing, strengthening food to build up their strength;...

"I saw that your views concerning swine's flesh would prove no injury if you have them to yourselves; but in your judgment and opinion you have made this question a test, and your actions have plainly shown your faith in this matter. If God requires His people to abstain from swine's flesh, He will convict them on the matter. He is just as willing to show His honest children their duty, as to show their duty to individuals upon whom He has not Iaid the burden of His work. If it is the duty of the church to abstain from swine's flesh, God will discover it to more than two or three".Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 206-207

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65. PORK SHOULD NEVER BE EATEN UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES

"Pork although one of the most common articles of diet, is one of the most injurious....God never designed the swine to be eaten under any circumstances. The heathen used pork as an article of food, and American people have used pork freely as an important article of diet". Selected Messages, bk. 2, p. 417

"But God never designed the swine to be eaten under any circumstances". Spiritual Gifts, vol- 4a, p. 124

"The eating of pork has aroused and strengthened a most deadly humor which was in the system....Never should one morsel of swine's flesh be placed upon your table". Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 94.

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66. THERE IS CONSCIOUSNESS AFTER DEATH

"I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, "The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon". Early Writings, p. 294.

This obviously contradicts Mrs. White's other teachings about unconsciousness at death. Here she teaches that even if only a hip bone is left, and the brain and nerves have been already consumed, the person will still suffer and be in agony. Clearly she is teaching that people can suffer without their bodies.

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67. THERE IS NO CONSCIOUSNESS AFTER DEATH

"Upon the fundamental error of natural immortality rests the doctrine of consciousness in death&endash;a doctrine, Iike eternal torment, opposed to the teachings of the Scriptures, to the dictates of reason, and to our feelings of humanity" The Great Controversy, p. 545

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68. A COUNCIL CONVENES TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO TO SAVE MAN

"The news of man's fall spread through Heaven&endash;every harp was hushed. The angels cast their crowns from their heads in sorrow....A council was held to decide what must be done with the guilty pair". Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 44

"The instant man accepted the temptations of Satan, and did the very things God had said he should not do, Christ, the Son of God, stood between the living and the dead, saying, "Let the punishment fall on Me..." Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7a, p. 1085

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69. THE PLAN OF SALVATION DATES FROM ADAM'S FALL

"While Moses was shut in the mount with God, the plan of salvation, dating from the fall of Adam, was revealed to him in a most forcible manner". Selected Messages, bk. 1, p. 231-232

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70. THE PLAN OF SALVATION EXISTED FROM ETERNITY

"The words, "Mine hour is not yet come," point to the fact that every act of Christ's Iife on earth was in fulfillment of the plan that had existed from the days of eternity".The Desire of Ages, p. 147

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71. THE SACRIFICE OF CHRIST WAS FULL AND COMPLETE

"The sacrifice in behalf of man was full and complete. The condition of the atonement had been fulfilled". Acts of the Apostles, p. 29

"To the angels and the unfallen worlds the cry, "It is finished," had a deep significance. It was for them as well as for us that the great work of redemption had been accomplished. They with us share the fruits of Christ's victory". The Desire of Ages, p. 758

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72. THE ATONEMENT IS NOT COMPLETE

"Now while our great High Priest is making the final atonement for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ" The Great Controversy, p. 623

 

[Solo]

(Continuation of Ellen G. White's Reflections and Statements) Here is a statement from the Official Seventh Day Adventist Website found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/sun/ .
This statement is found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/bel ... phecy.html

• As delegates to the 2005 General Conference Session in St Louis, Missouri, we acknowledge that the Seventh-day Adventist Church has been richly blessed by the Lord through the gift of prophecy manifested in the ministry and writings of Ellen G White. Through it the Lord guided the development of the Church from a small number of members to a worldwide movement entrusted with the proclamation of a message of salvation in Christ and the hope of His soon return in glory. Her ministry has directly contributed to the preservation of the unity of the Church and has sustained it in difficult times. Her writings continue to be a most positive influence in the life of the Church, providing for it comfort, guidance, instruction, correction, and theological stimulus. Their study will constantly lead the Church back to the Bible as the very foundation of faith and practice.
  
  As delegates, we affirm the important role the writings of Ellen G White still play in nurturing the Adventist movement and in preserving the unity of the world Church. Consequently, we call upon Seventh-day Adventists throughout the world to prayerfully study her writings, in order to understand more fully God's purpose for His remnant people. We call upon church leaders at all administrative levels to plan and facilitate the promotion and study of the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy in their respective fields. We call upon our youth to acquaint themselves with the wealth of divine counsel found in these writings because it will greatly enrich their lives as they serve the Lord and fellow human beings. [Emphasis Added]

Below is a survey of Ellen G. White's statements which contradict the Bible and can be found at http://www.macgregorministries.org/seve ... %20to%2014

MRS. WHITE SAYS THAT ADVENTISM'S MESSAGE AND HER
WRITINGS STAND OR FALL TOGETHER by J.Mark Martin

It is interesting to note that in the August 14, 1883 Review & Herald the following statement was made: "Our position on the Testimonies is Iike the keystone to the arch. Take that out, and there is no logical stopping place till all the special truths of the message are gone.... Nothing Is surer than this, that this message and the visions belong together and stand or fall together"

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73. THE SCRIPTURAL WARNING

The Scripture says, "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,..." I Timothy 4: 1.

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect". Matthew 24:24

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from. God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world." I John 4: 1

We have clearly shown just a few examples that prove Mrs. White does not fulfill the biblical tests of a prophet. A prophet needs only one false prophecy to be disqualified (see below).

In Deuteronomy 18:20-22 The Scripture Gives Us The Rule By Which We Are To Judge Prophets:

"'But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' And you may say in your heart, ' How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."

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74. MRS. WHITE ADMITS THERE ARE ONLY TWO POSSIBLE SOURCES FOR HER WORK

"God is either teaching His church, reproving their wrongs and strengthening their faith, or He is not. This work is of God, or it is not. God does nothing in partnership with Satan. My work....bears the stamp of God or the stamp of the enemy. There is no half-way work in the matter. The testimonies are of the Spirit of God or of the Devil". Testimonies for the Church, vol. 4, p. 230

"If the testimonies speak not according to this word of God, reject them. Christ and Belial cannot be united".Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 691.

The Lord warned Israel about being deceived by false prophets. He said that if what a prophet said came true, even if he worked a miracle, if he contradicted God's Word he was a false prophet. God will watch to see whether we love that prophet more than we love Him.

"If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul". Deut. 13:1-3

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75. A DECISION FOR YOU

You have seen evidence proving that Ellen G. White could not possibly be a true prophetess of God. She has failed the biblical tests of a true prophet. Her visions and revelations contradict God's previous revelations and she contradicts herself. Mrs. White made predictions which did not come to pass and she has been caught Iying. In the light of this evidence you are faced with a decision, and it may be the most important decision of your life: a decision to follow the truth.

Nothing is more important than following the truth, no matter what it may cost you. We are accountable for what we know and no amount of rationalization will make Ellen White a true prophet. You have seen that the foundation of Adventism is flawed and cracked. It is not a movement of God. It was founded by a false prophet. Jesus said that "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:32.

If you act on what you have learned it may cost you your denominational job, your friends or even your family The words of Jesus are a solemn encouragement to us. He said:

"He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life shall lose it, and he who has lost his Iife for My sake shall find it" Matthew 10:37-39.

I urge you to step out in faith and follow the truth, trusting Jesus Christ to lead you and care for you. Place your entire faith in Him. Trust Him and Him alone for your eternal salvation. He will accept you and save you if you will call on Him. "Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". Romans 10: 13.

Perhaps you have had a zeal for God, but you realize now that it has not been in accordance with the truth. The apostle Paul understood how you feel. He addressed this when he said that there were some in his day who "not knowing about God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own,...did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes". Romans 10:3-4.

Your eternal Iife is not contingent upon membership in the Seventh-day Adventist church or in any denomination. Eternal Iife comes only through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the Iife; no one comes to the Father, but through Me". John 14:6.

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76. ARE YOU SURE OF HEAVEN?

If you were to die tonight, would you be sure that you would be saved? The Bible says that you can know that for sure. Do you know whether or not you have eternal life?

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77. GOD'S PLAN IS SO SIMPLE

For years you may have thought that you could never know for sure that you were going to heaven, that it was really hard to be saved. Perhaps you have felt like you must somehow change God's mind about you and convince Him that you are good enough to enter heaven.

Let me share with you the good news that salvation is not difficult! You don't have to change God's mind about you, He loves you just as you are! His plan of salvation is so simple! The apostle Paul explains how God saves us:

"But now God has shown us a different way to heaven&endash;not by "being good enough" and trying to keep his laws, but by a new way (though not new, really, for the Scriptures told about it long ago). Now God says he will accept and acquit us&endash;declare us "not guilty"&endash;if we trust Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, by coming to Christ, no matter who we are or what we have been like. Yes, all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious ideal; yet now God declares us "not guilty" of offending him if we trust in Jesus Christ, who in his kindness freely takes away our sins.

"For God sent Christ Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to end all God's anger against us. He used Christ's blood and our faith as the means of saving us from his wrath. In this way he was being entirely fair, even though he did not punish those who sinned in former times. For he was looking forward to the time when Christ would come and take away those sins.

"And now in these days also he can receive sinners in this same way, because Jesus took away their sins. But isn't this unfair for God to let criminals go free, and say that they are innocent? No, for he does it on the basis of their trust in Jesus who took away their sins.

''Then what can we boast about doing, to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why? Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in him. So it is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do". Romans 3:21-28. Living Bible.

The Bible says that "...the witness is this, that God has given us eternal Iife, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the Iife; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the Iife. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal Iife" I John 5: 11-13

I can personally testify that following the truth of the Lord Jesus can be costly, but the blessings of so doing far outweigh the cost! Jesus gave everything for you when He left heaven to come to earth to die. He loves you so much that no sacrifice was too much to purchase your salvation. He offers you His peace, His Iife, His joy, and His rest!

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78. DON'T BE SURPRISED BY OPPOSITION

When the man who was born blind was healed by Jesus and could see things clearly for the first time, he immediately experienced persecution and tremendous opposition. Don't be surprised if you are treated in the same way. But no one can rob you of the truth. You can say, with that man born blind, "...Whether He is a sinner, I do not know; one thing I do know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see" John 9:25.

If you have more questions or you desire more information concerning new Iife in Christ, write us. We would Iike to help. A set of audio tapes examining the teachings of Ellen G. White and the Seventh-day Adventist Church entitled, "Foundations of Adventism" is available upon request.

Please write:
Calvary Community Church P.O. Box 39607 Phoenix, AZ 85069 (602) 973-4768

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79. Appendix A

DID JESUS MOVE TO GOD'S RIGHT HAND IN 1844?

Seventh-day Adventists teach that when Jesus ascended into heaven He did not sit at God's right hand until October 22, 1844. The clear teaching of the New Testament is that when Jesus ascended into heaven He immediately sat down at the right hand of God. He entered God's presence (the Holy of Holies) and there lives to make intercession for us.

Hebrews 1:3 - The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his wonderful word. After he had provided for purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Colossians 3:1 - Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 8:1 - The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven.

Hebrews 9:12 - He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.

Hebrews 10:12 - But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.

1 Peter 3:22 - ...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand&endash; with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

Hebrews 1:13 - To which of the angels did God ever say, "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?

Romans 8:34 - Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died&endash; more than that, who was raised to life&endash; is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

Acts 7:56 - "Look,' he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God. "

Acts 7:55 - But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 2: 32,33 - God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses to this fact. Exalted to the right hand of God.

Matthew 22:44 - "'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. "'

Mark 12:36 - David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: "The Lord said to my Lord. "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet".

Luke 20:42 - David himself declares in the Book of Psalms: "The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand.... "

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80. Appendix B

The Testimony of Jesus

Question:

I have always been taught that the "Testimony of Jesus" in Revelation 12:17 and 19:10 was talking about a prophetic gift given to God's only true remnant Church. What is the "testimony of Jesus"? Is it true that this is the identifying mark of God's Church?

Answer:

This is a question that has come up with increasing frequency during the past years. It is important for us to lay aside our presuppositions and come to the Bible seeking to discover what it teaches on this subject.

Jesus' testimony, or witness, is clearly an identifying mark of every child of God. In John 5:24 and 31 Jesus defines his testimony with an oath, swearing His witness to be true: "Truly, Truly, I say to you he who hears my word, and believes Him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. ... If I alone bear witness of myself, my testimony is not true," Our Lord here indicates that His own testimony is the good news of the Gospel! This is the harmonious teaching of the New Testament. The message of the cross-event is the testimony of Jesus.

"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time" (1 Tim. 2: 5,6)

"Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord,... but join with me in suffering for the gospel..." (2 Tim. 1:8)

Paul declared that the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed among the Corinthian believers (1 Cor 1:6):

"And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified" (1 Cor. 2:1,2).

The "testimony of Jesus" is the everlasting Gospel, the message of the finished work of Christ upon the cross of Calvary. This has been the dying testimony of every true believer. (Rev. 6:9).

It is the Gospel testimony of the blood of the Lamb that causes the power of Satan to be broken and true believers would rather die than give it up. (Rev. 12: 10, 11).

It is Jesus' testimony, the gospel testimony, that has inspired all the prophets to write, "For the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy" (Rev 19: 10). It is the gospel that inspired the prophets to write the Scriptures: "...these are they that testify of me" (John 5:39) said Jesus.

The mark of the church of Jesus Christ throughout all the ages has been a clear and confident testifying of the Gospel of Jesus.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Solo,

I looked it up in my Adventist KJV commentary and this is what I found as far as the "True Church" goes.

The Adventists prophetically believe that the Church of Philidelphia began at the same time as the Advent Movement.

So therefore they are the remnant Church.

The Adventist Chruch is the only Christian Church not under the power of Rome due to the Sabbath issue. Rome does not recognize the SDA's like they do all other Sunday Evengelical Chruches.

 

[Solo]

A message preached by a Christian Seventh Day Adventist, and his journey out of the Seventh Day Adventist Church:

My Journey Out of Legalism
By Clay Peck
(Originally presented as a spoken message January 15, 2000)

I’m calling this message, "My Journey Out of Legalism." As I thought about that title, it occurred to me that this story is not just a journey OUT of something, but also a journey INTO something. I want to emphasize that as well. This message could be called: "My Pilgrimage into the Brighter and Brighter Radiance, Glorious Freedom, and Deep Personal Security of the New Testament Gospel of Grace through the Finished and Perfect Work of Christ Jesus at Calvary’s Cross." But I think that it would fit better on the cassette tape label if we just leave the title as "My Journey Out of Legalism."

Now, by calling my story a journey out of "legalism," I don’t mean to imply that everyone who is a part of the religious tradition I grew up in is a legalist. I also want to remind you that there are many, many forms of legalism. Non-Christian religions are mostly human-focused and works-oriented, and unfortunately, many Christian groups are infected by legalism of one strain or another.

Whenever a group teaches a Christ-plus-something gospel it results in legalism – that is, people thinking that their salvation is dependent somehow on their own performance.

So, whether you share a similar background as me or not, you may relate to elements of my testimony if you have been touched by legalism – whether in Catholicism or Protestantism; whether in liberal or fundamentalist churches; whether in Pentecostal or evangelical circles; whether in respected churches or cultic fringe groups.

I was raised in the Seventh-day Adventist denomination.

I am no longer a Seventh-day Adventist and I’m going to briefly tell you why today.

Let me make it clear that there are many good Christian people in the Adventist church. At the top of my list are my parents, whom I admire and respect. The Adventist church as been responsible for doing many good things around the world – especially through their humanitarian programs in developing countries.

But there are some significant theological problems, which it took me years to fully comprehend.

Message continued at http://www.sdaoutreach.org/Home/Testimo ... fault.aspx

 

[YESHUA]

Here is a statement from the Official Seventh Day Adventist Website found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/sun/ . This statement is found at http://www.seventh-dayadventist.com/bel ... phecy.html

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  As delegates to the 2005 General Conference Session in St Louis, Missouri, we acknowledge that the Seventh-day Adventist Church has been richly blessed by the Lord through the gift of prophecy manifested in the ministry and writings of Ellen G White. Through it the Lord guided the development of the Church from a small number of members to a worldwide movement entrusted with the proclamation of a message of salvation in Christ and the hope of His soon return in glory. Her ministry has directly contributed to the preservation of the unity of the Church and has sustained it in difficult times. Her writings continue to be a most positive influence in the life of the Church, providing for it comfort, guidance, instruction, correction, and theological stimulus. Their study will constantly lead the Church back to the Bible as the very foundation of faith and practice.
  
  As delegates, we affirm the important role the writings of Ellen G White still play in nurturing the Adventist movement and in preserving the unity of the world Church. Consequently, we call upon Seventh-day Adventists throughout the world to prayerfully study her writings, in order to understand more fully God's purpose for His remnant people. We call upon church leaders at all administrative levels to plan and facilitate the promotion and study of the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy in their respective fields. We call upon our youth to acquaint themselves with the wealth of divine counsel found in these writings because it will greatly enrich their lives as they serve the Lord and fellow human beings. [Emphasis Added]

Below is a portion of Ellen G. White's reflections which can be found at http://www.macgregorministries.org/seve ... %20to%2014

ADVENTISM-
THE REFLECTION OF ELLEN G. WHITE by J.Mark Martin

Seventh-day Adventism is a reflection of its prophetess, Ellen 8G. White. It is inseparably united to her writings which are considered to be an authoritative source of truth. The Adventist church recognizes that it is indebted to and dependent upon Mrs. White's writings.

Mrs. White's writings are affectionately called, "The Spirit of Prophecy" by most Seventh-day Adventists. It is believed that her prophetic gift within the Adventist church is one of the proofs that it is the "remnant" church which "keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus....the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy". Revelation 12: 17;19: 10.

In the book, The White Truth, published by the church in 1981 as a response to the recent discovery of Mrs. White's plagiarism, author John J. Robertson clearly sets forth the importance of Mrs. White's writings in the Adventist community. Robertson states that "The influence of the spirit of prophecy [Mrs. White's writings] is woven into the warp and woof of Adventist faith, life, and organization....What we are as a church is a reflection of our faith in the divine authority evident in the writings of Ellen G. White". The White Truth, p. 61

The same year The White Truth was offered as a public defense of Mrs. White's writings, the church met in General Conference session and reworked its Statement of Beliefs. In what has come to be known as "The Dallas Statement" we see a clear expression of the extraordinary role Mrs. White's writings have in the church.

"One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth and provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teachings and experience must be tested". Statement 17
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2. AN INSPIRED COMMENTARY

For years Seventh-day Adventists have called Mrs. White's writings "an inspired commentary on the Bible". In 1980 the church also published The Pillars, a book defending the denomination's distinctive doctrines. In this book, popular Adventist pastor Morris L. Venden invites his readers to study fifteen "facts" with him. "Fact #14" is especially interesting:

"Fact #14. There is hope for every remnant believer today who sometimes feels confused at all the differing views taken by different scholars and commentaries. We have an inspired commentary that was given for the purpose of settling the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. What do you do when the scholars disagree? Do you have to become a better scholar than the best in order to settle the disagreement in your own mind? No, let me repeat. God has given to our church an inspired commentary to settle the disagreements among the uninspired commentaries. And we can still be thankful for that today" The Pillars, p. 30

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3. NOT OF HUMAN ORIGIN

Mrs. White claimed that her writings were not of human origin, but were inspired by God.

"I am just as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in relating or writing a vision, as in having the vision. It is impossible for me to call up things which have been shown me unless the Lord brings them before me at the time that he is pleased to have me relate or write them". Spiritual Gifts vol. 2, p. 293.

"In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. [Mrs. White's writings] There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He Instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue. But will they profit by His teachings? Will they receive His reproofs and heed His warnings?" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 4, p. 147-148

"Sister Hall has just read me your letter to her. I am glad that you are having success in selling my books; for thus you are giving to the world the light that God has given me. These books contain clear, straight, unalterable truth and they should certainly be appreciated. The instruction they contain is not of human production". Letter H-339, December 26, 1904

"Yet now when I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God". Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 661.

"Those who are reproved by the Spirit of God should not rise up against the humble instrument. It is God, and not an erring mortal, who has spoken to save them from ruin". Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 257

A statement appears in the official church paper, The Review and Herald, clearly states the high position in which Ellen White is held in the Adventist church.

"Seventh-day Adventists hold that Ellen G. White performed the work of a true prophet during the seventy years of her public ministry. As Samuel was a prophet, as Jeremiah was a prophet, as John the Baptist, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today".

The Review & Herald. October 4, 1928.

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4. SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS ARE UNIQUELY FORTUNATE

Arthur White, grandson of Ellen White and for years the head of the Ellen G. White Estate, made the following claim:

"Seventh-day Adventists are uniquely fortunate in approaching the question of inspiration of the prophets. We are not left to find our way, drawing our conclusions from writings of two thousand years and more ago, that have come down to us through varied transcriptions and translations. With us it is an almost contemporary matter, for we have had a prophet in our midst. It is generally granted by the careful student of her works that the experience of Ellen G. White was no different from that of the prophets of old. What is more, rather than having in our possession only relatively few chapters or a handful of letters as is the case of the extant records of the Bible prophets, we have the full range of Ellen G. White's writings, penned through a period of 70 years. She wrote in the English language, so we are not confronted with the problems of translation..." The Ellen G. White's Writings, p. 15.

5. DOCTRINAL AUTHORITY

The "landmarks" or "pillars" of Adventism have their roots in Ellen White. As these landmarks were being developed, Mrs. White had an unquestionably authoritative role in defining what would be defined as truth and error. Mrs. White describes how Adventist doctrine was established:

"At that time [after the 1844 disappointment] one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scripture with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds....The power of God would come upon me, and I was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error. "

"As the points of our faith were thus established our feet were placed upon a solid foundation. We accepted the truth point by point, under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I would be taken off in vision, and explanations would be given me. I was given illustrations of heavenly things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were placed where light was shining on us in clear, distinct rays". Selected Messages, bk. 3, p. 31,32

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6. MRS. WHITE'S WRITINGS ARE UNQUESTIONABLE

Mrs. White believed that her writings or testimonies, were inspired and therefore should never be questioned. To doubt her writings would be tantamount to doubting the Word of God.

"While men venture to criticize the Word of God, they venture on sacred, holy ground, and had better fear and tremble and hide their wisdom as foolishness. God sets no man to pronounce judgment on His word, selecting some things as inspired and discrediting others as uninspired. The testimonies [Mrs. White's writings] have been treated in the same way; but God is not in this" Selected Messages, bk. 1, p. 23

"When the power of God testifies as to what is truth, that truth is to stand forever as the truth. No after suppositions contrary to the light God has given are to be entertained". Counsels to Writers and Editors, p. 31.

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7. PREDICTIONS OF ELLEN G. WHITE

Mrs. White claimed that future events were revealed to her. "As the Spirit of God has opened to my mind the great truths of His word, and the scenes of the past and the future, I have been bidden to make known to others that which has thus been revealed..." The Great Controversy, p. xi.

Mrs. Ellen G. White made the following predictions during her ministry in the Seventh-day Adventist church. They must be tested and honestly faced in the light of God's Word.

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8. JERUSALEM'S FUTURE

An interesting prophecy of Mrs. White's was that "Old Jerusalem never will be built up". In Early Writings, p. 75, she said, "I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem, and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes....I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing,... I also saw that Old Jerusalem never would be built up; and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time".

This prophecy did not come true. Since the nation of Israel's rebirth in 1948, "old Jerusalem" has been greatly built up.
Excuse me have you been to Jerusalem? I have and let me tell you that the Old City of Jerusalem which is called the city of David has not been build up, it is the same Old buildings that has been there for the last centuries you cannot rebuild in the Old city you can build around it but not in the Old city is self. And also whenever, or should I say most of the times I am in Jerusalem I try to stay at the SDA house, I know a great many of Jews who are SDA because of the keeping of Shabat
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9. MRS. WHITE ALIVE WHEN JESUS RETURNS

Mrs. White predicted that she would be among "the living saints" when Jesus returned.

"Soon our eyes were drawn to the east, for a small black cloud had appeared, about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the sign of the Son of man....Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, "Alleluia!" as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air". Early Writings, p. 15-16

Mrs. White died at her home near St. Helena, California on July 16th, 1915. Eight days later she was buried beside her husband, James White, in Oak Hill Cemetery, in Battle Creek, Michigan.

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10. ENGLAND WILL ATTACK THE UNITED STATES

In 1862 she predicted that "when England does declare war [against the North, during the Civil War], all nations will have an interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war, general confusion." The result will be that "this nation [the United States] will...be humbled into the dust". Testimonies for The Church, vol. 1, p. 259.

American history clearly shows that England did not "declare war" against the United States during the Civil War, and the United States was not "humbled into the dust."

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11. THE CIVIL WAR IS A SIGN THAT JESUS IS ABOUT TO RETURN

"I saw greater distress in the land than we have yet witnessed. I heard groans and cries of distress, and saw large companies in active battle. I heard the booming of the cannon, the clash of arms, the hand-to-hand fight, and the groans and prayers of the dying....God's people must take warning and discern the signs of the times. The signs of Christ's coming are too plain to be doubted, and in view of these things everyone who professes the truth should be a living preacher....All heaven is astir. The scenes of earth's history are fast closing. We are amid the perils of the last days". Testimonies for the Church. vol. 1, p. 260

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12. IN THE 1850'S MRS. WHITE SAID JESUS WAS TO RETURN "IN A FEW MONTHS"

"Some are looking too far off for the coming of the Lord. Time has continued a few years longer than they expected; therefore they think it may continue a few years more, and in this way their minds are being led from present truth, out after the world....I saw that the time for Jesus to be in the most holy place was nearly finished and that time can last but a very Iittle longer". Early Writings, p. 58

"In a view given June 27, 1850, my accompanying angel said, "Time is almost finished....Said the angel, "Get ready, get ready, get ready..." I saw that there was a great work to do for them and but Iittle time in which to do it....Then I saw that the seven last plagues were soon to be poured out upon those who have no shelter..." Early Writings, p. 64

Mrs. White continues to relate her vision and makes a startling prediction that only a few months are left before the Lord will return. "But now time is almost finished, and what we have been years learning, they ["they who of late have embraced the truth"] will have to learn in a few months. They will also have much to unlearn and much to learn again". Early Writings, p. 67

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[/b][/size=16]13. ADVENTISTS LIVING IN 1856 WILL BE ALIVE TO SEE JESUS RETURN [/b][/size]

Over 135 years ago, Mrs. White made another fascinating prophecy during a meeting in Battle Creek, Michigan in May of 1856. She declared that some of those who were in that meeting would die, and become "food for worms," and that some of them would live on and become "subjects of the seven last plagues," while still others would "remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus".Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 131-132.

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14. MRS. WHITE SAW ENOCH ON JUPITER OR SATURN

"The Lord has given me a view of other worlds, Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious. The grass of the place was Iiving green, and the birds there warbled a sweet song. The inhabitants of the place were of all sizes; they were noble, majestic, and Iovely....I asked one of them why they were so much more lovely than those on the earth....Then I was taken to a world which had seven moons. There I saw good old Enoch, who had been translated". Early Writings, pp. 39-40

Ellen's husband, James White verified her vision. He wrote, "At our conference in Topsham, Maine, last Nov., Ellen had a vision of the handy works of God. She was guided to the planets Jupiter, Saturn, and I think one more. After she came out of vision, she could give a clear description of their Moons, etc.. It is well known, that she knew nothing of astronomy, and could not answer one question in relation to the planets, before she had this vision". A Word to the Little Flock", p. 22

Excellent satellite pictures of Jupiter and Saturn have not revealed any life forms.

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A SCRIPTURAL WARNING

"But the prophet who shall speak a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or which he shall speak in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' And you may say in your heart. 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously: you shall not be afraid of him". Deuteronomy 18:20-2 [Emphasis Added]

 

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Is Michael, Jesus Christ?
By Robert K. Sanders

Yes, according to Ellen G. White, the Seventh-day Adventist's prophet, and also taught by the Jehovah's Witnesses. Evangelical Christianity has rejected the teaching that Michael is Christ, because it is not Biblical. It may surprise you to learn that there are only five references in the entire Bible to Michael, and not one reference names Michael as Jesus Christ. We will look at each one of them.

Michael reference one; "one of the chief princes."

(Dan 10:13 NIV) "But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia."

Ellen G. White:

"For three weeks Gabriel wrestled with the powers of darkness, seeking to counteract the influences at work on the mind of Cyrus; and before the contest closed, Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid." Prophets and Kings p.572

The Bible identifies Michael as the one that came to Gabriel's aid and Ellen White contends that it was Christ that came to Gabriel's aid.

Notice: Michael "is one" of the chief princes, which places him in a group of other chief princes. How large that group is we are not told. Michael is in a group of equals. Michael could not be Christ, as Christ is not described as one of equals. Christ is described in John 3:16, as "one and only Son." The Greek for "only" is, "monogenes," one of a kind or unique one. Again this shows that Michael cannot be Christ.

Michael references two and three; "your prince" and "the great prince."

(Dan 10:21 NIV) "but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince."

(Dan 12:1 NIV) ""At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered."

Notice: The three references to Michael in Daniel are: "one of the chief princes," "your prince," and "the great prince." Christ is never referred to, as one of the chief princes, your prince or the great prince in the Bible. Jesus is called, "Prince of peace,"  Isa. 9:6, and "Prince and Savior"  Acts 5:31. As one can see, the titles of Michael and Jesus are not the same.

Michael reference four; "archangel."

(Jude 1:9 NIV) "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!""

(2 Pet 2:11 NIV) "yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord."

Michael an angel, did the work of angels as outlined in 2 Peter, as he did not bring a slanderous accusation against the devil.

Jude does not identify the archangel Michael, as Christ. But what is an archangel?

From Strong's Dictionary, 743. "archaggelos, ar-khang'-el-os; from G757 and G32; a chief angel:--archangel."

Archangel means a chief angel. Michael therefore is a chief angel. Jesus is not a chief angel, or a created being, but Commander over the angels. He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

Michael said to the devil, "the Lord rebuke you." Michael as archangel (chief angel) a created being, does not have authority to rebuke the devil in disputing over the body of Moses, so he invokes the Lord's name.

Ellen G. White:

"Satan the tempter had claimed the body of Moses because of his sin; but Christ the Saviour brought him forth from the grave." Desire of Ages p.421

Moses passed through death, but Michael came down and gave him life before his body had seen corruption. Satan tried to hold the body, claiming it as his; but Michael resurrected Moses and took him to heaven. Satan railed bitterly against God, denouncing Him as unjust in permitting his prey to be taken from him; but Christ did not rebuke His adversary, though it was through his temptation that the servant of God had fallen. He meekly referred him to His Father, saying, "The Lord rebuke thee." Early Writings, p. 164.

Ellen makes non Biblical claims about Moses' body such as; Michael gave Moses life before his body had seen corruption. Jesus restored Lazarus to life after his body started decaying and after four days in the grave. Why did God believe it was necessary for the "remnant church" to have this startling piece of news, that Moses was resurrected before his body started to decay?

In another confrontation with Satan:

(Zec 3:1 NIV) "Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him."

(Zec 3:2 NIV) "The LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?""

Joshua is standing before the angel of the Lord. The term, "angel of the LORD" used in the O T is often seen as Christ. In this text without a doubt, it is the Lord that rebukes Satan. The Bible never refers to the Lord as the archangel Michael. Michael is never called "the angel of the LORD."

Voice of the archangel:

(1 Th 4:16 NIV) "For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

Jesus comes "with" the voice of the archangel. Doesn't this prove that Jesus is Michael? No. The fact is all the angels accompany Jesus at his Second Coming, which would include Michael the archangel. Thus Michael's voice will be heard, along with the trumpet call of the Lord. The Lord will have the voice of the archangel which will give an archangelic shout that will raise the dead.

(2 Th 1:7 NIV) "and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels."

Michael reference five: "Michael."

(Rev 12:7 NIV) "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back."

Michael, the chief angel, led the loyal angels to battle against the devil and his angels and was victorious. John does not identify Michael as Christ!

1. "If no angel can ever be called God's Son (Hebrews 1:5) -- and if Jesus in in fact the Son of God -- then doesn't this mean that Jesus cannot be the archangel Michael?" [/*:m:1dc24]
2. "If no angel can rule the world (Hebrews 2:5) -- and if Scripture clearly says that Christ is ruler of the world (Luke 1:32-33; Revelation 19:16) -- then doesn't this mean that Christ cannot be the archangel Michael?"[/*:m:1dc24]

Conclusion:

• The Bible does not call the archangel Michael, Christ! [/*:m:1dc24]
• Calling Michael a created angel Christ, is bearing false witness against Christ's deity as God. [/*:m:1dc24]
• Ellen G. White by calling Michael Christ, has made an addition to the Bible. [/*:m:1dc24]
• Jesus would have us lift him up, not demote him to the level of a created angel. [/*:m:1dc24]
• Jesus is not an archangel, a created being, but the Creator and head of all the Heavenly Host. [/*:m:1dc24]
• Michael is an archangel, and one of many archangels or chief princes. (Dan 10:13 NIV) "But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia."[/*:m:1dc24]