Sign of the Beast

[kerravon]

The number "666" has recently (3rd anniversary of Sept 11) appeared in a certain context. You can be the judge as to whether it is divine or not...

http://antisubjugator.blogspot.com/2005 ... beast.html

BFN. Paul.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Bunch of hooey if you ask me. If people would bother to read their Bible's they would not have to sit around and do the guessing game.

 

[Vic C.]

Bunch of hooey if you ask me. If people would bother to read their Bible's they would not have to sit around and do the guessing game.

Correct... and like I pointed out in another thread/post; 666 is for confirming, not determining.

 

[kerravon]

Bunch of hooey if you ask me. If people would bother to read their Bible's they would not have to sit around and do the guessing game.

There are bad Christians and good Muslims. Someone needed to determine what the common denominator was. I did it. Took my lifetime to do it, and when the answer finally came, the date was 9/11 and the message number was 666.

BTW, can I ask you what you expected the second coming to look like? Someone who walked on water, or someone who devoted their life to pursuing the end of institutionalized rape and other state crimes?

 

[Vic C.]

There are bad Christians and good Muslims. Someone needed to determine what the common denominator was. I did it. Took my lifetime to do it, and when the answer finally came, the date was 9/11 and the message number was 666.

There are also good Christians and bad Muslims. In our eyes, there are good and bad everything. I thank the Good Lord for not seeing things through our eyes. What is it you think you have done? Are you the author of the article at that link?

BTW, can I ask you what you expected the second coming to look like? Someone who walked on water, or someone who devoted their life to pursuing the end of institutionalized rape and other state crimes?

Expected? You make it sound as if it happened already. There is a topic on this in the Forum if you care to weigh in your beliefs or opinions.

I would pick the third choice, the one you didn't mention. I choose the One who frowned upon the "religious" institutions of His time. He spend far more time on spiritual issues and matters of the heart than He did on "stately" or "political" matters.

 

[kerravon]

There are bad Christians and good Muslims. Someone needed to determine what the common denominator was. I did it. Took my lifetime to do it, and when the answer finally came, the date was 9/11 and the message number was 666.

There are also good Christians and bad Muslims. In our eyes, there are good and bad everything. I thank the Good Lord for not seeing things through our eyes. What is it you think you have done? Are you the author of the article at that link?

Yes. I have created the formula for world freedom. Ending the institutionalized rape of poor girls.

I would pick the third choice, the one you didn't mention. I choose the One who frowned upon the "religious" institutions of His time. He spend far more time on spiritual issues and matters of the heart than He did on "stately" or "political" matters.

Ending institutionalized rape should not be brushed off as some sort of minor "stately" matter. Getting to the bottom of why people didn't have empathy for these poor girls is indeed a spiritual matter. I have also created a model for the universe that explains all questions of spirituality. Using that model, I can answer any question you may have about God. You can see it at "Grand Unifying Theory" at http://www.moatazilla.org. At the end of the section.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Bunch of hooey if you ask me. If people would bother to read their Bible's they would not have to sit around and do the guessing game.

There are bad Christians and good Muslims. Someone needed to determine what the common denominator was. I did it. Took my lifetime to do it, and when the answer finally came, the date was 9/11 and the message number was 666.

BTW, can I ask you what you expected the second coming to look like? Someone who walked on water, or someone who devoted their life to pursuing the end of institutionalized rape and other state crimes?

There is a very clear picture of what the second coming will look like when it happens in the Bible. Have you seen Jesus coming on the clouds riding a white steed yet? Well, it says that everyone will see it so I am thinking it has not yet happened, nevermind that the Church will be riding behind Him on the descent.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

There are bad Christians and good Muslims. Someone needed to determine what the common denominator was. I did it. Took my lifetime to do it, and when the answer finally came, the date was 9/11 and the message number was 666.

There are also good Christians and bad Muslims. In our eyes, there are good and bad everything. I thank the Good Lord for not seeing things through our eyes. What is it you think you have done? Are you the author of the article at that link?

Yes. I have created the formula for world freedom. Ending the institutionalized rape of poor girls.

I would pick the third choice, the one you didn't mention. I choose the One who frowned upon the "religious" institutions of His time. He spend far more time on spiritual issues and matters of the heart than He did on "stately" or "political" matters.

Ending institutionalized rape should not be brushed off as some sort of minor "stately" matter. Getting to the bottom of why people didn't have empathy for these poor girls is indeed a spiritual matter. I have also created a model for the universe that explains all questions of spirituality. Using that model, I can answer any question you may have about God. You can see it at "Grand Unifying Theory" at http://www.moatazilla.org. At the end of the section.

I am unsure that you are able to track here. It seems you are jumping from one point to the next. Just what are you trying to say? How does rape have anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ? It is a grievous sin, yes, but is not something that is specifically having to do with His coming.

 

[Cameron]

When you spend enough time with the True God and the True Word your know the false immediately.

Jesus Christ is man's ONLY hope. All other ways lead to separation from God. There is only ONE God expressed in THREE persons.

God is intimately involved. Those who hate hypocrytes are in good company with Jesus, He hated them too. Live like Jesus - love like Jesus.

Reject false prophets who have arisen and continue to arise to lead many astray. Do not think you can work one iota to help or save your soul. It's all been done. Jesus offers to us all His righteousness freely so that we can be reconciled with our Creator and know and enjoy Him personally forever. I'll take that over any other imagined carnal bliss any day.

 

[kerravon]

There is a very clear picture of what the second coming will look like when it happens in the Bible. Have you seen Jesus coming on the clouds riding a white steed yet? Well, it says that everyone will see it so I am thinking it has not yet happened, nevermind that the Church will be riding behind Him on the descent.

Perhaps they saw it, but didn't recognize it, because the "white steed" was metaphorical?

 

[kerravon]

I am unsure that you are able to track here. It seems you are jumping from one point to the next. Just what are you trying to say? How does rape have anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ? It is a grievous sin, yes, but is not something that is specifically having to do with His coming.

There is an obligation on every Christian to care about the suffering of fellow humans. That includes poor Iraqi women being raped by their government. Was the Pope in raptures over institutionalized rape ending in Iraq? I was. I seem to recall the Pope condemning the liberation of the Iraqi people from a holocaust/state-slavery/institutionalized rape. And this is the man that Christians chose to be their representative? Ouch.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I am unsure that you are able to track here. It seems you are jumping from one point to the next. Just what are you trying to say? How does rape have anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ? It is a grievous sin, yes, but is not something that is specifically having to do with His coming.

There is an obligation on every Christian to care about the suffering of fellow humans. That includes poor Iraqi women being raped by their government. Was the Pope in raptures over institutionalized rape ending in Iraq? I was. I seem to recall the Pope condemning the liberation of the Iraqi people from a holocaust/state-slavery/institutionalized rape. And this is the man that Christians chose to be their representative? Ouch.

Again, your trail of posts is bouncing around dramatically. I am not sure how you are getting from one topic to the next but it is difficult to follow.

BTW, the pope does not nor has he ever represented me.

 

[Vic C.]

And this is the man that Christians chose to be their representative? Ouch.

Whoa! :o The Pope is the Vicar for the Roman Catholic. Most of the other denominations don't exactly 'see' him as a represenative. Our true representatives are Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.
John 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

 

[Abiyah]

The Mark of the Beast

Hi all !

Look at these Scriptures... maybe these may help us to understand what the " Mark of the beast" really is.

Revelation 12:9
" And the great dragon was CAST OUT [ remember, Christ told satan to get behind Him; therefore only his spirit is able to roam the earth from that time to present] that OLD SERPENT, called the DEVIL, and SATAN, WHICH DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD; HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH [ at this time it's not just his evil spirit anyore, but he is actually CAST OUT ONTO THE EARTH, where he plays the role of anti (instead of) christ, he at this time will be the anti-christ; let's remember that anti in the Greek means instead of christ, at this time he will play the spurious messiah, and deceive most of the world as they will believe him to be Jesus Christ]
and his angels [the fallen angels] were CAST OUT WITH HIM [ with who...? with satan, the devil, as he plays the role of anti-christ]

II Thessalonians 2:3
" ...... AND THAT DAY [ what day ? The Lord's Day, the second advent, the True Jesus Christ's return] SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away [also known as the great apostacy, those that have been deceived by the dragon, satan, the devil and fall AWAY to the wrong christ], AND THAT MAN OF SIN [what man of sin ? satan, the devil, that same one that has been cast out to the earth] BE REVEALED, THE SON OF PERDITION [ satan has already been sentenced to death, he is a dead man walking, satan is the son of perdition]

*** ISAIAH 14:12-16 ***

II Thessalonians 2:4
" Who opposeth and exaulteth himself [himself ? that being satan, the son of perdition, the devil while he plays the role of anti-christ] above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; SO THAT HE AS GOD SITTETH IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING [ claiming to be] HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD [ satan is going to be cast to the earth in this generation, the generation of the fig tree, and he is going to pretend that he is Jesus and deceive most of the world].

Mark 13:14
" But when ye SHALL [not maybe, not perhaps, but you SHALL] see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, [it=meaning he, meaning the anti-christ, meaning the "instead of"-christ, that same one who was cast out to the earth in Revelation 12:9] (let him that readeth UNDERSTANDETH.) Then let them that be in Judea' flee to the mountains.

Revelation 13:11
" And I beheld another beast [ John saw this, he is telling us what was going to happen, he is teling us how satan is going to play Jesus] coming up out of the earth [Revelation 12:12= read it !]; AND HE HAD TWO HORNS LIKE A LAMB [horns are symbolic of power, John is telling us that he looked like the Lamb, he looked just like the Lamb of God, but....] AND HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON [that same dragon spoken of in Revelation 12:9, that old serpent , called the devil]

Revelation 13:13
" And he [he.. who's he? the dragon, that old serpent, the devil, as he plays his role as the instead of christ or anti-christ] doeth GREAT WONDERS, SO THAT HE MAKETH FIRE [ lightening] COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN ON THE EARTH IN THE SIGHT OF MEN [ who's gonna see it ? the people on the earth as he plays the role of the spurious messiah]

*** I have also read on through verses 14 & 15; for IT IS WRITTEN THAT he is going to deceiveth those that DWELL ON THE EARTH ! I believe from other scriptures that the first beast is a political beast, a one world system, the second beast is a religious beast.

Now with those scriptures being read, for there are more that support that satan will come to this earth and pretend that he is God, I believe we can better see what the MARK OF THE BEAST really is.

REVELATION 13:16
" And he causeth all [ all that have NOT the seal of God in their minds, which is to say God's truth, all those that have NOT read & understood the end time prophecies], both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, TO RECEIVE A "MARK" "IN" their right hand [in their right hand, the right hand is symbolic of power, and these are doing his work, THINKING that that are doing the work of Jesus christ] or "IN" their foreheads. " [ What is "IN" your forehead ? Well.... your brain, your mind, where you think, and these THINK and BELEIVE that this dragon is Jesus Christ, but it's not.. it is that old serpent, the devil in his role as anti-christ, it is the instead of christ, this is an idiom in that they beleive in their minds that the false one is Jesus Christ.]

REVELATION 13:18
" HERE IS WISDOM. Let him that hath understanding COUNT the number of the beast; FOR IT IS A NUMBER OF A MAN [ lucifer. lucifer means morning star, there are two moring stars, the FAKE ONE which is anti-christ and the True One, that being our Lord Jesus Christ, many are going to FALL AWAY to the FAKE first.], AND HIS NUMBER IS SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX. "


666; I believe that this "mark" in their foreheads, which simply means in their brains, in their minds are the lies which satan deceives the world with at the end of this earth age BEFORE the Lord's Day. [This is the flood of the endtimes, satans's flood of lies.] Therefore, one MUST pay close attention to the 6th seal, the 6th trump, and the 6th vial, for SATAN WILL BE CAST OUT TO EARTH IN THE SIXTH TRUMP, HE WILL BE CAST DOWN TO EARTH ! [ Revelation 12:12 & Revelation 9:5; remember how Jesus Christ said that He had shortened the time for the elects sake? five months according to Revelation 9:5]. SATAN WILL PRETEND TO BE "CHRIST"; HE WILL BE THAT "ANTI-CHRIST"!!!! Those that believe that satan is Jesus Christ take the "mark" of the beast, for satan is that beast, you know that beast that looked like the lamb of God, but spake as a dragon. Remember that the TRUE Christ does NOT come until the SEVENTH TRUMP, THE FURTHEST TRUMP OUT, THE LAST TRUMP and there are SEVEN !

Abiyah

 

[Tzalam]

In the Greek, the mark is defined as actually being etched INTO the skin.
Or, tatooed. There will be a breaking of the skin, at some level, to recieve this mark.
It won't just be a thought.

Or, have I misunderstood what you were saying?

The mark will be an etching or something that will break the skin, in order to put, maybe, something ELSE, under the skin, but, it WILL involve a scratching, however minute.

You won't be able to buy anything without it. NOTHING.
So, that means, since Christians won't accept the mark, we will eventually run out of food, water, medicines, homes, etc.
Has anyone thought of that, and spiritually, MENTALLY, prepared for that?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

In the Greek, the mark is defined as actually being etched INTO the skin.
Or, tatooed. There will be a breaking of the skin, at some level, to recieve this mark.
It won't just be a thought.

Or, have I misunderstood what you were saying?

The mark will be an etching or something that will break the skin, in order to put, maybe, something ELSE, under the skin, but, it WILL involve a scratching, however minute.

You won't be able to buy anything without it. NOTHING.
So, that means, since Christians won't accept the mark, we will eventually run out of food, water, medicines, homes, etc.
Has anyone thought of that, and spiritually, MENTALLY, prepared for that?

I have prepared for that day. Since I won't be here for it, nor will anyone who is truly part of the Church, I will leave plenty of Bibles around for people to read when they come to my home seeking refuge. Nice comfortable beds and a Bible. What more could I offer?

 

[Tzalam]

[ nor will anyone who is truly part of the Church, I will leave plenty of Bibles around for people to read

Who are the saints God is referreing to, in Daniel, Chapter 7, verse 21?

The fourth beast, whose teeth are of iron, nails of brass, of the 10 horns in his head, and of the other which came up, and bofore whom 3 fell, even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given tot eh tsaints of the most Hight; and the time came that the saits possessed the kingdom.

Who are the saints the horn is making war with?

 

[Tzalam]

Lyric's DadI have prepared for that day. Since I won't be here for it, nor will anyone who is truly part of the Church, I will leave plenty of Bibles around for people to read when they come to my home seeking refuge. Nice comfortable beds and a Bible. What more could I offer?

Oh. Well, then, Lyric's Dad, tell me who the Lord Jesus is talking about in the following verses, ( red highlights):
Revelation Chapter6
9: And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11: And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Chapter 13
6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9: If any man have an ear, let him hear.


Revelation Chapter 7
9: After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10: And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11: And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12: Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13: And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14: And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation Ch. 9
1: And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2: And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3: And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4: And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation Chapter 14
11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


One more question, and, please, let’s discuss each Scripture reference, and find out WHO these people are, if they AREN’T born again saints of Jesus Christ. Which is what you're saying, since you believe no born again people will be left on the earth to be in any part of the Tribulation.

Who is this?
14: And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Notice where the Son of man, who is upon the cloud, is, in the time frame of the book of Revelation. Within the times of the woes and the trumpets. The 7th trumpet was sounded in Chapter 11. Who do YOU say the Son of man is, here, in Chapter 14, and what is He doing?

 

[Lyric's Dad]

[ nor will anyone who is truly part of the Church, I will leave plenty of Bibles around for people to read

Who are the saints God is referreing to, in Daniel, Chapter 7, verse 21?

The fourth beast, whose teeth are of iron, nails of brass, of the 10 horns in his head, and of the other which came up, and bofore whom 3 fell, even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given tot eh tsaints of the most Hight; and the time came that the saits possessed the kingdom.

Who are the saints the horn is making war with?

Millions will come to faith in Jesus during the tribulation and will be a great focus of vengeance for the enemy. That is who is being spoken of in this verse.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Lyric's DadI have prepared for that day. Since I won't be here for it, nor will anyone who is truly part of the Church, I will leave plenty of Bibles around for people to read when they come to my home seeking refuge. Nice comfortable beds and a Bible. What more could I offer?

Oh. Well, then, Lyric's Dad, tell me who the Lord Jesus is talking about in the following verses, ( red highlights):
Revelation Chapter6
9: And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11: And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Chapter 13
6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9: If any man have an ear, let him hear.


Revelation Chapter 7
9: After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10: And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11: And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12: Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13: And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14: And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation Ch. 9
1: And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2: And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3: And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4: And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation Chapter 14
11: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12: Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


One more question, and, please, let’s discuss each Scripture reference, and find out WHO these people are, if they AREN’T born again saints of Jesus Christ. Which is what you're saying, since you believe no born again people will be left on the earth to be in any part of the Tribulation.

Who is this?
14: And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Notice where the Son of man, who is upon the cloud, is, in the time frame of the book of Revelation. Within the times of the woes and the trumpets. The 7th trumpet was sounded in Chapter 11. Who do YOU say the Son of man is, here, in Chapter 14, and what is He doing?

And yet again, millions will come to faith in Jesus during the trib. They will not take the mark of the beast and will therefore be executed. They are those whose cries will go to the Lord for vengeance upon what they suffered. The Lord knows that many more will be martyred for their faith and is awaiting the completion of the tribulation to exact His justice on the enemy. These are not the current Church though as they will be taken out of the way.