Sign of the Beast

[SputnikBoy]

Child abuse is the reason for the return of christ.

Sputnik: Now I've heard everything. Could you be more specific from a scriptural perspective?

 

[Vic C.]

Child abuse is the reason for the return of christ.

Sputnik: Now I've heard everything. Could you be more specific from a scriptural perspective?

:o You had to ask. 8-)

This thread is about the Sign of the Beast. Thank you. :D

 

[Jake99]

The sign of the beast are the times where the children of the world are at war and hunger and environmental damage rages out of control. The beast rules this world and christ comes to show you the way. He stands against the child abusers. I don't quote scriptures but I have no problem with what they say. Practice what you preach and the beast no longer has a job.

 

[SputnikBoy]

The sign of the beast are the times where the children of the world are at war and hunger and environmental damage rages out of control. The beast rules this world and christ comes to show you the way. He stands against the child abusers. I don't quote scriptures but I have no problem with what they say. Practice what you preach and the beast no longer has a job.

Sputnik: Hmmm ...well ...okay. :roll:

Anyway, the sign of the beast, eh? I believe it's all to do with WORSHIP, as the Bible says. What is going on now, or what might SOON occur, that would REALLY incur the wrath of God? Who is the beast ...what will the beast do? As I said, I personally believe it has to do with worship ...the worship of God, or the worship of Satan. While some of the other matters that are raised might be semi-related in regard to the hearts of men 'waxing cold', I really DO believe that the final issue will be a RELIGIOUS one.

My first introduction to this topic was in 1988, when I participated in a SDA Revelation/Daniel Seminar. I was, and still am, quite impressed with the homework that the SDA's have put into this issue. I really do wonder if they haven't, for the most part anyway, got it right. Having said that, I'm pretty well open-minded to any reasonable (and scriptural based) theories in regard to the sign (mark) of the beast.

 

[Vic C.]

Let's remember the Beast will also control commerce.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

This looks to me to be some sort of physical implementation. Remember, everything the AC does is a counterfeit of something of God. This "mark" on the right hand or forehead reminds me of something many Jews do. They lay tefillin on their arm or forehead. Here is a discription of tefillin:

The Shema also commands us to bind the words to our hands and between our eyes. We do this by laying tefillin, that is, by binding to our arms and foreheads a leather pouch containing scrolls of Torah passages.

The word "tefillin" is usually translated "phylacteries", although we do not much care for that term, partly because it is not very enlightening if you do not already know what tefillin are, and partly because it means amulet, and suggests that tefillin are some kind of protective charm, which they clearly are not. On the contrary, the word "tefillin" is etymologically related to the word "tefillah" (prayer) and the root Pe-Lamed-Lamed (judgment).

Like the mezuzah, tefillin are meant to remind us of God's commandments. At weekday morning services, one case is tied to the arm, with the scrolls at the biceps and leather straps extending down the arm to the hand, then another case is tied to the head, with the case on the forehead and the straps hanging down over the shoulders. Appropriate blessings are recited during this process. The tefillin are customarily removed at the conclusion of the morning services, though they should be worn all day long.

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/signs.htm

Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Of course his ultimate goal is to demand worship from his followers:

Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[kerravon]

The sign of the beast are the times where the children of the world are at war and hunger and environmental damage rages out of control. The beast rules this world and christ comes to show you the way. He stands against the child abusers.

This all happened already. The Iraq war was the lynchpin. Saddam was a child abuser. God/Jesus II stood against Saddam and was shocked that so many people weren't just failing to lift a finger against Saddam, they were actively opposed to toppling Saddam, believing that Saddam had some sort of "sovereign immunity" that allowed him to rape Iraqi women at whim. WTF??? The battle for ideological supremacy raged in the Iraqi blogs. Jesus II won the war. There is a time for fighting. Jesus I never mentioned when, but Jesus II did - you must fight to prevent yourself from becoming subjugated. Or to prevent others from suffering at the hands of a non-humanist. BELIEVE YOUR EYES.

 

[Jake99]

Jesus II is for everybody, Saddam included. You don't win wars with military force you win them with a simple system that is fair to all. Jesus II is for construction and preservation not destruction. Love your enemy. If a man asks for your shoes offer him your coat as well. That is a long way from invasion and war machines. Child abuse comes in many forms and it goes on in every country. Stress and environmental atrocities is what we should be fighting against not each other.

 

[kerravon]

Jesus II is for everybody, Saddam included. You don't win wars with military force you win them with a simple system that is fair to all. Jesus II is for construction and preservation not destruction. Love your enemy. If a man asks for your shoes offer him your coat as well. That is a long way from invasion and war machines. Child abuse comes in many forms and it goes on in every country. Stress and environmental atrocities is what we should be fighting against not each other.

I do love Saddam. He is a NATURAL ANIMAL. However, you cannot allow a child abuser/rapist to be in a position of absolute power over other humans. Those other humans have rights too. They have the right to not be raped and tortured by Saddam! The correct thing for Jesus II to do is to ask for the minimum force required to topple Saddam. There is a time to fight - when human rights are being abused - when people are being subjugated. War was not waged on the Iraqi people, and the war was not engaged in with hatred. Minimum force was used, without hatred, in order to prevent Saddam from causing any more suffering. It was a wonderful thing. It was the best course of action possible. Please go and watch the Iraqi torture videos on the left-hand side of http://www.antisubjugator.blogspot.com so that you can see what sort of things Saddam was up to that you didn't think needed to be fixed.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Why, nowadays, do we have this absolute obsession with child abuse? Between birth and death we are ALL children of God. We need to get beyond this emotional claptrap and recognize that we are ALL of equal value in the eyes of God.

 

[kerravon]

Why, nowadays, do we have this absolute obsession with child abuse? Between birth and death we are ALL children of God. We need to get beyond this emotional claptrap and recognize that we are ALL of equal value in the eyes of God.

We SHOULD all have an obsession with human rights violations. Whether it be child abuse in Australia or institutionalized rape in Iran. We need a plan to eliminate all of them. And the plan is - FIGHT SUBJUGATION. That's the problem with Christianity - Jesus I never said when to fight. That's what I'm here for. To tie up all the loose ends and explain when to fight. Many Anglophones know when to fight. They just don't have the words to express themselves. The word is SUBJUGATE. NATO is a NATURAL alliance of anti-subjugators and non-subjugators against any potential subjugator.

 

[Jake99]

Mans inhumanity towards man is a global problem that can only be eliminated by unity of all nations. Its the simple system that you fight for not continuance of the one that does not work. Everyone has been turned into a liar, cheater, child abuser or a thief in one way or another, its a systematic health problem. I see a long list of improprieties among US and world leaders and businesses that cause tremendous damage. Its a way of life that hurts everyone. I say put the guns down and work together and you won't need guns.

Excuse me for recommending dramatic change, but that is what always worked for me. Take the lines off the map, you have divided the land and that is problem #1.

 

[kerravon]

Mans inhumanity towards man is a global problem that can only be eliminated by unity of all nations.Take the lines off the map, you have divided the land and that is problem #1.

You are exactly right. We should all be AGAINST NATIONALISM and against national bigotry. But we have largely reached that point already. The Iraq war proved this. Instead of being a clash between two nations (USA vs Iraq), the war was actually a clash between subjugators and anti-subjugators, with non-subjugators staying neutral and just shouting obscenities from the sidelines. Countries such as Australia were split down the middle. It was civil war. And in Iraq we saw the same thing. Half of the people were happy to be liberated, half felt humiliated. People all over the world were split based on IDEOLOGY rather than NATIONAL BOUNDARIES. The European Union shows that national borders are a thing of the past. And NATO shows that weapons should be ideologically-based as well.

But what is URGENTLY NEEDED right now is to convince the non-subjugators that they should become anti-subjugators, and look forward to toppling dictators and replacing them with either democracy or Paul Bremer-style non-subjugating government. That is what I created my blog for. To fight this ideological battle.

Take a look at this suggestion made by an American, who is clearly more interested in ideology than geography:

"I have a solution. A Trade. Mass., Vt., Maine and Conn., N. H., R.I,
and N.Y. for Saskatchwan, Alberta, British Columbia and the Yukon. The USA gets more Land the Peoples Republic of Canada gets more people." - ableiter

 

[Jake99]

Kerravon,

Subjugators is not a word or phrase I understand. I guess it is a finger pointing at who you think is wrong or right. I say the system is what is wrong and as a result nobody is right. I am for eliminating the lines on the map so your plan is not mine. My plan looks like the one at Messiah.org. I believe in what is preached so the ways of the world are not my ways.

I have worked in a system that is fair and just and had no trouble unifying people from all over the world. Equal opportunity and rights is not that hard to achieve but it needs to be done globally.

 

[kerravon]

Subjugators is not a word or phrase I understand.

It is imperative you understand this word. It is the solution to world freedom. To subjugate someone means to control/enslave them. To make them submit to your rule. This is what Saddam did to the Iraqi people. This is what the USSR did to Eastern Europe. We need to eliminate subjugation of humans.

I pledge allegiance to use my brain to fight subjugation of my species - do you?

I guess it is a finger pointing at who you think is wrong or right.

It is wrong to subjugate humans. It's wrong to rape women as well. That is why Saddam's regime was illegitimate and it was right to topple it.

I have worked in a system that is fair and just and had no trouble unifying people from all over the world. Equal opportunity and rights is not that hard to achieve but it needs to be done globally.

Our western liberal democracies are as close to fair and just that I have seen. Everyone has equal opportunity and rights. We need to export our liberal democracies to the rest of the world. Everyone has the right to live under a rational, humanist non-subjugating government.

 

[Jake99]

I agree that subjugation is bad. I think each person should work for them self in a system that posts all job opportunities and may the best qualified win the job. A standard pay scale and education for all. I don't like being owned and threatened by employers because they control your livelihood which is just one of many reasons why I do not like the system the US uses. Corruption and stress is way out of control. On the other hand the US is the best place to live. I want to change the US for the better and then spread it to the world. The US and all other countries cannot fund the work that they say needs to get done. Yet they fund wars and tremendous non productive overhead.

 

[kerravon]

I agree that subjugation is bad. I think each person should work for them self in a system that posts all job opportunities and may the best qualified win the job. A standard pay scale

Standard pay scale means that you want to interfere with the markets. Anytime anyone has tried interfering with the free market it has led to disaster. The Anglophones have had their success by simply ENFORCING CONTRACTS, not interfering with the market. Basically the Anglophones implement the RIGHT rather than what you would consider to be the GOOD.

and education for all.

Yes, children have the right to an education.

I don't like being owned and threatened by employers because they control your livelihood which is just one of many reasons why I do not like the system the US uses.

You have two choices:
1. Go to another company that doesn't threaten the employees.
2. Start your own company that doesn't threaten the employees.

Corruption and stress is way out of control.

Our western societies are not corrupt.

On the other hand the US is the best place to live.

I think Australians may disagree about that.

I want to change the US for the better and then spread it to the world. The US and all other countries cannot fund the work that they say needs to get done. Yet they fund wars and tremendous non productive overhead.

Those wars that the US goes into are the MOST PRODUCTIVE ways of improving the rest of the world to make it look more like the US, especially ensuring human rights. The US is doing an impeccable job.

 

[SputnikBoy]

Jake99: On the other hand the US is the best place to live.

kerravon: I think Australians may disagree about that.

Sputnik: Oh, it doesn't bother me. It's just meaningless American 'jingoism' that deserves to be ignored.

 

[Jake99]

I apologize for assuming that the US is the best place to live, I only complain of the leadership and systems it uses. I read about corruption every day in the newspapers of the US and most of it is from elected officials. The internet is the key to success that we recently have and the free market has to go the way of the dinosaur if we want to end all wars. The sales wars start the military wars, I say end the sales wars.

 

[SputnikBoy]

That's okay, Jake. Apology accepted. :D

 

[kerravon]

the free market has to go the way of the dinosaur if we want to end all wars. The sales wars start the military wars, I say end the sales wars.

As I think I have already explained before, the free market is a NATURAL phenomenon. No-one is controlling it. And it has withstood the test of time. The free market has led to unimaginable prosperity. If you have an alternative economic system then TEST IT ON A HIPPY FARM FIRST. Otherwise, capitalism is the most rational (scientifically-proven) economic system, and everyone has a RIGHT to live under a rational (ie capitalist) government.