Sin Free?

[Mysteryman]

I Peter 4:12 - "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trail which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you"

Verse 13 - "But rejoice inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings ; that , when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy"

Verse 14 - "If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye, for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you : on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified"

I Peter 5:10 - "But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen , settle you "

Galatians 3:1 - "O follish Galatians, who hath bewitched you,--- that ye should not obey the truth--- before whose eyes, Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth , crucified among you"

Need I say more ??

The question is were you trying to prove my point or yours. Because i think those scripture proves mine.

:rolling :biglol

 

[Drew]

The willful sin is not just any sin. I put in red a phrase that follows verse 26. The willful sin in the context is counting "the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing..." The willful sin is for Jewish person, or Hebrew person who were among believers to return to the law as a means of justification. Such behavior would trod "underfoot the Son of God." This is the willful sin. Jewish people were leaving the christian assembly (see 10:25) and returning to Judiasm. The were leaving Christ for the Pharisaical Law. These Jews received a "knowledge of the truth." They did not have a faith in the truth and so went back to Judiasm. The judgment spoken of is the judgment of the law. Read Dueteronomy 28-29 and see the curses of the Law.

Excellent argument.

Carefully honouring the fine-grained details of the passage shows that, indeed, this is an argument about returning to the law for justification and how that behaviour places one at risk for ultimate loss.

Again, we need to read the Bible carefully, honouring the details of the passage and not prematurely generalizing one statement before the "contextual dust" has settled. Not to mention the related problem of "de-Israelizing" the text. The author of Hebrews is writing to Jewish believers and we need to remember this.

 

[Mysteryman]

The willful sin is not just any sin. I put in red a phrase that follows verse 26. The willful sin in the context is counting "the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing..." The willful sin is for Jewish person, or Hebrew person who were among believers to return to the law as a means of justification. Such behavior would trod "underfoot the Son of God." This is the willful sin. Jewish people were leaving the christian assembly (see 10:25) and returning to Judiasm. The were leaving Christ for the Pharisaical Law. These Jews received a "knowledge of the truth." They did not have a faith in the truth and so went back to Judiasm. The judgment spoken of is the judgment of the law. Read Dueteronomy 28-29 and see the curses of the Law.

Excellent argument.

Carefully honouring the fine-grained details of the passage shows that, indeed, this is an argument about returning to the law for justification and how that behaviour places one at risk for ultimate loss.

Again, we need to read the Bible carefully, honouring the details of the passage and not prematurely generalizing one statement before the "contextual dust" has settled. Not to mention the related problem of "de-Israelizing" the text. The author of Hebrews is writing to Jewish believers and we need to remember this.

Hi

As much as I agree with what you have said here. I am not in total agreement that the book of Hebrews is only written to Jews only. I believe it is a total overview of how God first went unto the Jews, and then unto the Church for which and from which salvation comes through. The truth comes from the church, and not from the Jews who did not believe. There are warnings and helpful understandings throught the book of Hebrews. Actually the book of Hebrews is written to us the church, as you can see from the writings. Hebrews 4:1 - "Let us therefore fear, lest a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it" -- Verse 2 - "For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them" < This means that the gospel was preached unto us the gentiles as well as unto them the Jews.

Then when you get to chapter 10 the writter of Hebrews reminds the saints, the believers about the law. And what the law did not accomplish. And what was accomplished through the shed blood of Christ as the perfect sacrifice.

Then when it comes to verse 26 which Watchman wanted to use incorrectly. He established his beliefs upon the word "we" to mean the believers. But verse 25 makes it clear that "some" do forsake the assembling together to exhort one another. These so called "some" are the "we" in verse 26. Remember that there are false brethren among us. Verses 26 - 31 is actually written to the false brethren who would come in among us and try and talk us out of exhorting one antoher.

But the writter of Hebrews reminds us in verse 39 that we are not of them who draw back unto perdition. We are them that believe to the saving of the soul.

So , as you can see, there is much more there than you might realize, or see ! ?

 

[archangel_300]

The willful sin is not just any sin. I put in red a phrase that follows verse 26. The willful sin in the context is counting "the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing..." The willful sin is for Jewish person, or Hebrew person who were among believers to return to the law as a means of justification. Such behavior would trod "underfoot the Son of God." This is the willful sin. Jewish people were leaving the christian assembly (see 10:25) and returning to Judiasm. The were leaving Christ for the Pharisaical Law. These Jews received a "knowledge of the truth." They did not have a faith in the truth and so went back to Judiasm. The judgment spoken of is the judgment of the law. Read Dueteronomy 28-29 and see the curses of the Law.

*** Is not focusing only on the underlined part quoting it out of context? Yes? No? Do we have to read verses 26 & 27 with the later part of the quote? Is the "willful sin" "treading underfoot the blood" by returning to Temple Judiasm?

Mondar, WOW that was good! I never seen this passage that way before! :amen
I learned something new today. Thanks!

 

[Andrew]

Romans 7:14-25, I'm not much on rewriting what you all can read for yourselves. I do not do what I ought to do......oh wretched man that I am.
Who will save me from this body of death? Thanks be to Jesus Christ who, while we were still sinners, died for us to save us from it. Changing us by the renewing of our minds. And I am confident He will finish His work in me.
Sounds like Paul and the early church were dealing with this issue. IMO, Paul was declaring that sin lives in us even after we receive the Holy Spirit, but also that the Holy Spirit changes us and leads us out of sinning. The longer I keep walking with the Lord the less I sin, and I can look back and see how much He has already done to change me as evidence to the truth of it. My ability to resists sin lay solely in remaining in HIM. I have to turn my back to Him to sin. I keep finding that harder and harder to do.
It all gets better the longer we walk, and I am confident that it does all come out in the wash (Blood of Christ, a great detergent, removes ALL stains).
If Christ came while we were still sinners, then we must be confident of His mercy. Why start what He wouldn't finish. If He came to save us while we were dead in our sin, then we can be confident that He will finish His good work in us as adopted sons.
Oh how I long to rid myself of this body, the body of flesh that sin entered into through Adam, praise God that through Jesus Christ we have new bodies to inherit as well, the spiritual man in the likeness of the Glorified Son.
I long to be like my Master, and to know the knowledge of my Teacher.