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So I quit

Je'di-Benjamin said:
Yo, first remember Yeshua is leading you out falsehood and into truth. (hope you read this) You are FREE in Christ, your spirit is free, DONT LISTEN TO MAN SPEWING DOCTRINE, YESHUA HAD NO BIBLE NOR WAS HE TRAINED IN SCRIPTURE,
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I don't want to derail this thread, but this is just not true. He taught from the scriptures and He was the very one who inspired them. He was trained by the Pharisees at the temple, with scripture....
Je'di-Benjamin said:
IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT KNEW, FOR HE IS. In a similar way most people have totally NO IDEA about what Yeshua was really saying, even "Christians". You are being called to something grater, a Holy Spirit dwells in you, follow your Spirit and all things will be right. That Spirit will never leave you for you ARE YOUR SPIRIT. QUIT going to church and listening to satans workers who know not what they say or do or why. Become a Christ-ling not a "Christian". Someone can praise Yah and Know scripture up the yinyang but when it comes to LIVING IN SPIRIT they are DEAD. Heathens over run our synagogues preaching nonsense keeping keys hidden and not preaching the truth. Apply Yeshua's life to yours there is no one above you but HIM. no "pastor" no "priest" not a soul! YOU THINK YOU CAN KNOW YAHWEH by the word of a book or by the mouth of a man but BLAAAHHHH. If there was anything in scripture too look at and understand is, How did all these amazing people know God and do his will? was it that they where "more clean"? OF CORSE NOT!!!!! EVERY MAN HAS SINNED. Yeshua be like "mate all them demons be out now, go get on the donkey and ride unto the sun, I Am with you. Go out into nature and seek ME not in a book or in a building not for what I will give you, but as torn up fella weeping and crying out to Yah one last time. you will meet a woman when you do this, speak to her and you will know her for the rest of your life. blessings"
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This is just not sound advice.....
 
poetofparables said:
My OP was an attempt to point out that I was in serious danger if I continued believing in Christianity. But then what is true Christianity. It's obvious to me now that I've become the christian I couldn't become while plunged into the Christ matrix this world lives in.
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Forget about terms like "Christ matrix" or anything that sounds esoteric. If you want to come right down to reality -- "where the rubber meets the road" -- CHRISTIANITY IS A DIVINE PERSON, the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is GOD, therefore He can communicate with you wherever you are, and at whatever stage you are spiritually, mentally or emotional.

People can pray, encourage and help. But it is the LORD who gives new life, new direction, new purpose, new hope, and new strength. There is a slogan out there:
CHRIST IS THE ANSWER.
 
Jesse said:
I don't want to derail this thread, but this is just not true. He taught from the scriptures and He was the very one who inspired them. He was trained by the Pharisees at the temple, with scripture....

This is just not sound advice.....
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Yeshua Spoke to the Pharisees in Yahrusalem and TAUGHT THEM, even as a boy they he spoke to THEM at the temple. He was not trained because HE IS THE WORD, so there is/was NO NEED to teach him anything.

Why I said the "not sound advice" is because people can be just as lost in "church" as out of it, Pharisees where in the synagogues they where the "leading priests" yet they still didn't know Yahweh, What about Abraham or Jacob the HAD NO SCRIPTURE, or what about the Prophets? Was it the Law that made these men Godly? OFCORCE NOT! It was there Hearts Longing for God. Many pastors(not saying all) don't practice THE WAY, Which is LOVE, Understand LOVE 1cor "Love is the greatest" and practice LOVE. Those who know LOVE know GOD, so why judge or condemn anyone for anything as many pastors do? Many "Christians" think they follow God but they Follow there father satan. WHY? Because man can not serve two master for he will love one and hate the other, so please don't come up to me warring pearls and diamonds on your fingers and neck with clothes on that all around cost 500$ and THEN tell me you love and Know God, for I will say "you are warring the food of my brothers and sisters on you neck and body yet your still naked". They would hate me and then curse for they do not understand, but what did YESHUA do at the synagogue with the money changers ay?

Here is one of my favorite Grate Quote from The Holy Bible. dis won cowld da new convent eyesess call it freedom (that wasn't the quote)
Hebrews 8:6-13
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said[b]:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
now again, tell me what I said that was not scriptural, infact if you could see you would know that every time you go to "church" IT IS NOT SCRIPTURAL. hit up that 1 cor 14:26-fowde
 
questdriven said:
Funnily enough the times I was dealing with the worst sort of depression were also the times I couldn't stand hearing or reading scripture or being in church. I wanted to leave Christianity, even being completely convinced of God's existence. I didn't, but I really wanted to. I think it was mainly at the time that I was also dealing with the sin of idolatry (something I still struggle with), and knew that I couldn't serve both my indulgences and God at the same time. (Though I tried.) Anywho, during this time...it seriously hurt me, psychologically, to read anything out of the Bible except the Psalms. It just reminded me that I wasn't in the right place with God.

You know your circumstances better than anyone else, but perhaps the aversion to Christianity was conviction over something? You would know better than anyone else here whether or not this is the case, just throwing an idea out there.
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Hey Quest,

My OP is not my present state, I was in that state 2 years ago.
 
Je'di-Benjamin said:
Yo, first remember Yeshua is leading you out falsehood and into truth. (hope you read this) You are FREE in Christ, your spirit is free, DONT LISTEN TO MAN SPEWING DOCTRINE, YESHUA HAD NO BIBLE NOR WAS HE TRAINED IN SCRIPTURE, IT IS HIS SPIRIT THAT KNEW, FOR HE IS. In a similar way most people have totally NO IDEA about what Yeshua was really saying, even "Christians". You are being called to something grater, a Holy Spirit dwells in you, follow your Spirit and all things will be right. That Spirit will never leave you for you ARE YOUR SPIRIT. QUIT going to church and listening to satans workers who know not what they say or do or why. Become a Christ-ling not a "Christian". Someone can praise Yah and Know scripture up the yinyang but when it comes to LIVING IN SPIRIT they are DEAD. Heathens over run our synagogues preaching nonsense keeping keys hidden and not preaching the truth. Apply Yeshua's life to yours there is no one above you but HIM. no "pastor" no "priest" not a soul! YOU THINK YOU CAN KNOW YAHWEH by the word of a book or by the mouth of a man but BLAAAHHHH. If there was anything in scripture too look at and understand is, How did all these amazing people know God and do his will? was it that they where "more clean"? OF CORSE NOT!!!!! EVERY MAN HAS SINNED. Yeshua be like "mate all them demons be out now, go get on the donkey and ride unto the sun, I Am with you. Go out into nature and seek ME not in a book or in a building not for what I will give you, but as torn up fella weeping and crying out to Yah one last time. you will meet a woman when you do this, speak to her and you will know her for the rest of your life. blessings"
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I like your free thinking je'di.
 
Malachi said:
Forget about terms like "Christ matrix" or anything that sounds esoteric. If you want to come right down to reality -- "where the rubber meets the road" -- CHRISTIANITY IS A DIVINE PERSON, the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is GOD, therefore He can communicate with you wherever you are, and at whatever stage you are spiritually, mentally or emotional.

People can pray, encourage and help. But it is the LORD who gives new life, new direction, new purpose, new hope, and new strength. There is a slogan out there:
CHRIST IS THE ANSWER.
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Malachi,

Yeah you right it does, and insulting. Sorry.
 
Easy there Je'di, not all pastor's and churches resemble your characterization. Remember, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by, or through, the Word of God.

"YOU THINK YOU CAN KNOW YAHWEH by the word of a book or by the mouth of a man but BLAAAHHHH." REALLY? Perhaps your youth and inexperience in the power of the Word of God, and a preacher/teacher of the Word of God who has disappointed you in the past has contributed to your negative view of the Word of God and shepherds who bring the Gospel to the lost.

Also remember that all prophetic utterances must come true or the speaker in the Hebrew Scriptures was stoned to death.
 
Je'di-Benjamin said:
Yeshua Spoke to the Pharisees in Yahrusalem and TAUGHT THEM, even as a boy they he spoke to THEM at the temple. He was not trained because HE IS THE WORD, so there is/was NO NEED to teach him anything.
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His parents forgot him at the temple because he was LEARNING. Jesus had to learn, do you think he got up as a baby and started to walk and talk - no - he learned those things. He was also man and was in need of a teacher, which he found at the temples.

Luke 2:46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.

Je'di-Benjamin said:
Why I said the "not sound advice" is because people can be just as lost in "church" as out of it, Pharisees where in the synagogues they where the "leading priests" yet they still didn't know Yahweh, What about Abraham or Jacob the HAD NO SCRIPTURE, or what about the Prophets? Was it the Law that made these men Godly? OFCORCE NOT! It was there Hearts Longing for God. Many pastors(not saying all) don't practice THE WAY, Which is LOVE, Understand LOVE 1cor "Love is the greatest" and practice LOVE. Those who know LOVE know GOD, so why judge or condemn anyone for anything as many pastors do? Many "Christians" think they follow God but they Follow there father satan. WHY? Because man can not serve two master for he will love one and hate the other, so please don't come up to me warring pearls and diamonds on your fingers and neck with clothes on that all around cost 500$ and THEN tell me you love and Know God, for I will say "you are warring the food of my brothers and sisters on you neck and body yet your still naked". They would hate me and then curse for they do not understand, but what did YESHUA do at the synagogue with the money changers ay?
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This is a tangent, you said a person should stop going to church and then made a huge generalization slamming on preachers and churches.
 
It's hard for us to accept that Jesus had to have His diapers changed... had to be potty trained... taught how to feed himself.... was told how to pronounce the names of everyday household items.

Do you suppose that blind spot might be a reason many of us can't relate to Him.... even though He came to be exactly that, JUST LIKE US in human form?
 
Jesse said:
His parents forgot him at the temple because he was LEARNING. Jesus had to learn, do you think he got up as a baby and started to walk and talk - no - he learned those things. He was also man and was in need of a teacher, which he found at the temples.

Luke 2:46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.



This is a tangent, you said a person should stop going to church and then made a huge generalization slamming on preachers and churches.
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I am sorry that I offended you and I meant no harm to your faith, any of you. Simply I was trying to express that sometimes we need to go out and connect to Yahweh just a Yeshua would, by himself in nature where no one could find him. I attend church pretty much every week and our family is true and good, yet I am here to say that "pastors" like the dude preaching the "prosperity gospel" need to re-read some scripture. Sure Yah wants us to prosper, but not to hold on to your wealth, living in a huge home, fancy car, expensive things and then go church and tithe 5 dollars a month while still not giving anything to the poor. I say these things because I have been homeless and hungry and "Christians" warring golden crosses with diamonds incrusted in it, scoffed when I asked for some food, or water. I found more help and LOVE from twickers and heroin junkies then most of the "fancy Christians". Why is this? Or why is it that when I would walk into a church smelling like sweat with my pack on only ONE CONGRAGATION offered me a Shower in 6 months and 3 states. I study scripture every day just as you all do I am sure and I noticed that when it gets down to it a lot of people miss what is being said. So while everyone is trying to get their fix of Yah every sunday there are BROTHERS AND SISTERS who need help. This is why I say Yahweh is not in a "church" but He is in THE CHURCH.
 
Poet like at the OP "So I quit".You said awhile ago that you were going to leave.You are still here.What keeps you here?
 
Malachi said:
Forget about terms like "Christ matrix" or anything that sounds esoteric. If you want to come right down to reality -- "where the rubber meets the road" -- CHRISTIANITY IS A DIVINE PERSON, the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is GOD, therefore He can communicate with you wherever you are, and at whatever stage you are spiritually, mentally or emotional.

People can pray, encourage and help. But it is the LORD who gives new life, new direction, new purpose, new hope, and new strength. There is a slogan out there:
CHRIST IS THE ANSWER.
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Amen
 
kiwidan said:
I wonder if he cried when he didnt get his way and got sent to his room for being a naughty boy. Would that be a sin?. Did he sin as a child?, or does that come under age of accountability to God?. Either children cannot sin or Christ was a good boy. lol.
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:lol That's an amusing question my friend. IMO, I believe that Jesus was a model boy growing up. Absolutely no sin what so ever.
 
Je'di-Benjamin said:
I am sorry that I offended you and I meant no harm to your faith, any of you. Simply I was trying to express that sometimes we need to go out and connect to Yahweh just a Yeshua would, by himself in nature where no one could find him. I attend church pretty much every week and our family is true and good, yet I am here to say that "pastors" like the dude preaching the "prosperity gospel" need to re-read some scripture. Sure Yah wants us to prosper, but not to hold on to your wealth, living in a huge home, fancy car, expensive things and then go church and tithe 5 dollars a month while still not giving anything to the poor. I say these things because I have been homeless and hungry and "Christians" warring golden crosses with diamonds incrusted in it, scoffed when I asked for some food, or water. I found more help and LOVE from twickers and heroin junkies then most of the "fancy Christians". Why is this? Or why is it that when I would walk into a church smelling like sweat with my pack on only ONE CONGRAGATION offered me a Shower in 6 months and 3 states. I study scripture every day just as you all do I am sure and I noticed that when it gets down to it a lot of people miss what is being said. So while everyone is trying to get their fix of Yah every sunday there are BROTHERS AND SISTERS who need help. This is why I say Yahweh is not in a "church" but He is in THE CHURCH.
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"why is this?" It's because christians don't own the pattern on love.
 
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