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I'm still looking and studying on this one. From what I have figured out so far(and I'm pretty thick-headed) it all boils down to how you interpret bene-ha 'elohim. Typically son is a male off-spring but can also be the citizen of a city(as in Psalm 147:13) or a student (as in Proverbs 1:10). But neither one of these alternate translations seems to fit very well. Where the problem arises for me however, is that sons of God is obviously connected to God, but, from what I have found so far the connection could be either by birth or by creation. This takes me right back to where I was on pg.1--They could be the sons of Seth if you want to accept the birth translation or angels if you want to accept the creation translation. I guess I've just got to keep on studying.

Westtexas

You got a really good attitude about studying Gods word.....

But the (sons of GOD) cant be the (sons of Seth) this is why,,,,,,

Seth is the son of Adam,,,,same bloodline there are no Giants/hybrids in this bloodline......If the sons of the Adamic Seth line,,,,,,have sex with the daughters of Adam,,,,they wont make Giants.....

They will make Adamic children regular.....

And God had the Giant/hybrids killed,,,,,Why in the world would God kill the children that come from Seth's sons having sex with Adam's daughters.....THis sons of Seth clearly doesnt work....

When a supernatural angel,,,mates with a human woman they make Giants,,,,,ask David...

 

[Rick W]

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I study from the KJ bible,,,,and I use the strongs concordance,,,often refering back to manuscripts....I dont even have a New world bible (whatever that is)

And really I can care less about the book of Jubilees or Enoch,,,,but the holy bibl word of GOd says this

King James version:::4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,---

sorry I taught this ment,,,,when the "sons of God" mated with the daughter of men they had children.......

Every time in the old testament when the bible says "sons of God" its talkiing about angels,,,,,but I guess im wrong...

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Ok you guys are right,,,,the sons of God,,,means the sons of Seth,,,,,

I get it now There was a day when the sons of Seth came to present themselves before the Lord and satan came along with them to present himself..... :nod

Man I fell sorry for the sons of Seth ,,,they must have just disintegrated :onfire in the presence of the alimighty Lord.......O well they shouldnt have been running around with satan anyhow right.... :devil ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :toofunny

 

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Please explain Leonid Stadnyk, whose parents were about 5'8", or how about any of the many ultra tall people who are/were offspring of normal height parents.

The giants in Genesis are born by virtue of the very union between the 'sons of God' and 'daughters of men'. Saying 'men have sex with women, therefore giants', which is essentially what you must argue, obviously isn't the plain sense of the text, and is untrue. Just because men have sex with women doesn't mean giants are born, as most of everyone in history down to the present can attest to.

I'm with Brother Lionel on this one; there is no concrete Biblical evidence and without the "support" of personal commentaries and extra Biblical text, there is no case.

I would say that you've simply ignored or don't understand the implications of the evidence I provided.

Finis,
Eric

 

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Please explain Leonid Stadnyk, whose parents were about 5'8", or how about any of the many ultra tall people who are/were offspring of normal height parents.

The giants in Genesis are born by virtue of the very union between the 'sons of God' and 'daughters of men'. Saying 'men have sex with women, therefore giants', which is essentially what you must argue, obviously isn't the plain sense of the text, and is untrue. Just because men have sex with women doesn't mean giants are born, as most of everyone in history down to the present can attest to.

I'm with Brother Lionel on this one; there is no concrete Biblical evidence and without the "support" of personal commentaries and extra Biblical text, there is no case.

I would say that you've simply ignored or don't understand the implications of the evidence I provided.

Finis,
Eric

You sure know alot about the bible for a non-christian,,,,,

 

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"2. the sons of God saw the daughters of men--By the former is meant the family of Seth, who were professedly religious; by the latter, the descendants of apostate Cain. Mixed marriages between parties of opposite principles and practice were necessarily sources of extensive corruption. The women, religious themselves, would as wives and mothers exert an influence fatal to the existence of religion in their household, and consequently the people of that later age sank to the lowest depravity."

"4. giants--The term in Hebrew implies not so much the idea of great stature as of reckless ferocity, impious and daring characters, who spread devastation and carnage far and wide."

http://www.biblestudytools.com/Commentaries/JamiesonFaussetBrown/jfb.cgi?book=ge&chapter=6#Ge6_4

I really see no biblical support for angels having sex with women to create some sort of hybrid offspring. It's sensationalism and for some reason society is infatuated with anything that is sensational. It as though something is thought to be the truth purely on its appeal to the sensational rather than what the simplest, most probable, most rational explanation is.

 

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I study from the KJ bible,,,,and I use the strongs concordance,,,often refering back to manuscripts....I dont even have a New world bible (whatever that is)

The The New World Translation is but one example and not what you were using.
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