Son of Perdition

[Strangelove]

Good call Vic. I think we've pretty much taken the Mother as far as we can go anyway. There seems to be general unity on Jerusalem as the Whore of Babylon.

Sorry if I came across as anything but Godly with my victory statement. I was just so excited to get Jason onside I got carried away. I do ofcourse give all glord to God as I said...

....aaaaaaaaaanyhoot: Son of Perdition. We kinda got talkin about it on that thread but lets bring froward Zones intro on it>>

KNOW YOUR ROTHSCHILDS

this is in perfect alignment with my theory that the son of perdition (Judas bing a type) will be an 8th Herodian Edomite, let's look at the most powerful family on earth (that we are able to identify): remember that Jesus told us the SoS would be people who pretended to be Jacob (jews) but aren't really. what we are able to verify from innumerable sources is that almost all CULTS, including pseudo-christian cults are set up by the Powers That Be - the World Council of Churches, for example is a Rockefeller creation.

(this document is loaded with information and extensive documentation. i suggest printing it out in case of net issues)....let's dicuss it.

The Rothschild Bloodline

here's a very extensive document which touches on British-Israelism (another cult which believes Anglos are heirs to the throne in Jerusalem). facts....just the facts, please:

British Subversion of America:The Militias and Pentacostilism--Who is Wagging Your Neighbor's Tongue?

(remember that the City of London has been running the show for a long time: but at who's hands?). this has been gradually shifting to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

i mean no disrespect to Pentecostalists, we are just gleaning information. this document was prepared by non-christians, researching from the outside. larouche is notoriously anti-anglo, but we are looking for facts: in keeping with my position, i don't care who is actually at the head of this thing or what their race is, i only want to keep an eye on the AGENDA.

Doc:

Rothschild? Prime suspect number #1 for son of perdition. Antichrist? Will he announce himself and stand in the temple shewing himself to be god? Is it possible people will accept him as the messiah? I guess the Jews would quite easily cos they are expecting a normal man basically. Is that correct?

How about Christians though? Oh....hang on.....thats what all this hebrew roots stuff is all about.....The rabbis leading the flock..........so they can say Lo here...Lo there........

Love you zone...///////

:::::::::::: Doc.

 

[Strangelove]

KNOW YOUR CULT ORGANIZATIONS >> all must come under a single controlling power.

we know that the vast majority of people trapped in cults are sincere and The Lord knows them that are His. we are just looking for the facts, attempting to recognize patterns of manipulation and consolidation.

we can begin to see the same names surface in these organizations.

Evangelicals, Jews, Charismatics, & Catholics Together 2

Part 2: EJECCT:
Ecumenical Jews, Evangelicals,
Charismatics & Catholics Together ​

rothschild (red shield) prolly won't claim to be the mosiach. but he is a crazy Talmudist who is using everything he's got to bring in the mosiach, as you've pointed out he funded the occult knesset. more to come on him shortly.

interested to see what you think of the larouche/pentecostalism document. i know you're already very aware of these issues. if we can just stay somewhat detached from emotions, we can get to the facts.

i'm going through years of files to bring out the big guns.

i like that you keep warning about project bluebeam. the vast number of american christians have been caught up in the pentecostalist movement (signs and wonders), and have also been taught they will be raptured, and that the jews have a separate covenant coming....now where could this be leading? hmmmm....

Doc:

I guess it would be too obvious. Too risky. Why not just stay behind the scenes and employ an actor to play the role instead>>:::

That guy who plays the lead in Avatar is the hot man in Hollywood at the moment isn't he?? LOLZ!!

Ya if you fall for this dung:::

YouTube - Benny Hinn - Mighty Anointing in Milwaukee

Then you'll have no trouble falling for this:::

YouTube - Holographic Jesus- Project Blue Beam

Zone::

if i may, in keeping with the signs and wonders thing, let's recap what the Apostle Paul had to say when he felt the need to blast off a Second Letter to the Thessalonians. they had misunderstood WHEN Jesus would come.

some background:

we know that his First Letter was (in part) in answer to their question: "WHERE ARE OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP?"

it's in that First letter Paul tries to reassure them that the dead in Christ are ok, and that they will come WITH JESUS. remember, this letter is not concerning the WHEN, since paul never taught anything other than The Second Advent. this letter is to comfort them that their relatives with come WITH Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 4:
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


now we've heard that used ALOT in pre-trib theory.

let's look at another passage by Paul that covers the SAME EVENT. here Paul reveals the Mystery of the "change" to immortal bodies: that not all will die before the Second Coming, some of us will be alive and in a "moment" (the word is like our word for atom: it'll be that sudden):


1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

so, we can be pretty solid in that there's no rapture per say, unless we use that word to refer to the CHANGE at the Second Advent.

so, back to the SIGNS and WONDERS, and the deception that Jesus is in fact due AT ANY MOMENT (before antichrist and the trib)....see next post as we go back to Paul, and his need to fire off a Second Letter to The Thessalonians....

these people (if you can call them that: they are psychopaths, reprobate, God is through with them) aren't kidding around. the technology available today is far far more advanced than the puny stuff they give us (i think we've already talked about the hologram machine atop the satanic Cathedral of St. John The Divine in NYC - theosophists...that building's address used to be 666 rockefeller plaza...this is Mdm. Blavatsky and crew, the Lucis trust - they run the "religious" show for the UN).

 

[Strangelove]

Zone:::


ok.
so here's Paul having to address a real problem!

in this part of the Second Letter to the very same bunch, he's GRAVELY concerned that they have been apparently troubled by words, or spirits, or even a counterfeit letter from him, that The Day of the Lord (the Second Advent) was due at ANY MOMENT, or, "at hand".

it's here we get lots more info on what MUST take place first, and it's here we learn of the son of perdition who will deceive people with LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS.

what should be most disturbing is that Paul makes it extremely clear that God Almighty Himself will send STRONG DELUSION upon some people who received NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH. now, we can debate what may be meant by this in its entirety, but let's take a look at the letter in detail. Paul is adamant that they let absolutely NOTHING deceive them about the WHEN:

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

so, we can see the urgency in letting nothing deceive us about the WHEN.
apparently there will be severe deception, and even worse, God will send strong delusion - there'll be no coming out of that if Father has done it.

so let's get real secure in the WHEN. then we can keeping looking at what they have up their sleeves. we know that there's a ton of stuff in the invisible realm going on, but we can only go forward wearing the gospel armour, following what's written, led by The Spirit, and preparing by watching what we CAN see.

here's one part we want to keep in mind at all times:

for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

we already know that "a falling away" means apostasy: a departure from THE FAITH. this departure is obviously happening every day. but, Doc, what movement is it we have seen that is luring Christians AWAY from THE FAITH, and into another system?

a system that has publicized it's intention to subdue the entire planet under it. what "thing" could happen to deceive/force Christians into departing from the faith?

i liked your post by Ben Gurion: pretty hard to refute what comes out of the horse's mouth, huh?

love zone.

 

[Strangelove]

Why not just stay behind the scenes and employ an actor to play the role instead"


Doc i think you're on to something. that's what The Pharisees did once, right? if we look back at what Jesus went through, maybe there's a clue. 'member Judas was from AMONG the 12....but Jesus said he was a devil.

i think we agree that The Mother is Jerusalem. it makes sense that the second son of perdition MIGHT be much like Judas.

look what happened here with him:

John 13
21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. 22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake. 23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. 25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

26Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. 27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. 28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. 29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor. 30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

maybe while i have a few minutes i'll get what i have on Judas Iscariot. we may be able to get some clues.

let's look in another place at ANOTHER BEAST. this is not the beast system we've talked about....this is the bad boy himself. he "exercises all the power" of the first beast (the beast system of the Temple Cult that received the deadly wound in 70AD - that system having consolidated all power and is riden by The Mother of Harlots, Talmudic Judaism out of Jerusalem)...just trying to zero in on it - we can't be totally certain yet...some of the beast-thingees are a bit fuzzy as yet:

let's see what he and his false prophet are up to (claiming to be Elijah? Elijah called fire down from heaven on a SACRIFICE, right?) member old Nicolas Tesla? he could make "lightening" way back when. strangely, his patents were stolen by the assistant to a man named Schiff (there is some evidence the assistant may have been none other than ....research on your own...lol)

Revelation 13
11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

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13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

so....could this action (we see it is DECEPTION) convince people it was in fact time to build the Temple? everything is ready, i've heard if they got the go-ahead, it would only take 6 months. this would mean their mosiach would come BEFORE the temple was built. could this be when the two witnesses are testifying against the system?

we know they are killed, and their dead bodies lie in Jerusalem. we know that everybody rejoices when they're killed and they exchange gifts and celebrate.

if the Temple System on the mount received a deadly wound as Jesus said would happen by Titus in 70AD, rebuilding the temple would mean MAKING AN IMAGE OF THE FIRST BEAST...a duplicate.

thoughts?
zone

Doc::

I cant see any error in there Sister Zone.

let's see what he and his false prophet are up to (claiming to be Elijah? Elijah called fire down from heaven on a SACRIFICE, right?) member old Nicolas Tesla? he could make "lightening" way back when. strangely, his patents were stolen by the assistant to a man named Schiff (there is some evidence the assistant may have been none other than GHW Bush)

Wow. Your saying Tesla's inventions....which have basically never been used for the good of man....could used as deception to bring fire/lightening down from heaven. I cant see any reason why not. Why WOLDNT Satan use all our Earthly technologies against us to decieve. Wonderful insight Sister Zone. I'm gonna try and verify the Bush-Tesla link.

so....could this action (we see it is DECEPTION) convince people it was in fact time to build the Temple? everything is ready, i've heard if they got the go-ahead, it would only take 6 months. this would mean their mosiach would come BEFORE the temple was built. could this be when the two witnesses are testifying against the system?

To be honest....like I've been saying for ages....it REALLY AINT gonna take much to fool people come the time if they han't been watching for it::::

1) They can easily make people sick, weakening them (modified foods, vaccines, chemtrails etc etc

2) They have people wrapped up in churchianity mob cults with fake salvation and powerful leaders and if the leader says jump they'll go through the roof

3) They have the signs and wonders of modern technology at their fingertips to make all sorts of funky stuff happen in the sky (Tesla, Fake Alien invasion, Holograms etc)

It's gonna be like lambs to the slaughter. Shootin' fish in a barrel.

we know they are killed, and their dead bodies lie in Jerusalem. we know that everybody rejoices when they're killed and they exchange gifts and celebrate.

if the Temple System on the mount received a deadly wound as Jesus said would happen by Titus in 70AD, rebuilding the temple would mean MAKING AN IMAGE OF THE FIRST BEAST...a duplicate.

thoughts?
zone

The first beast was the original Jerusalem then? Image of the beast will be rebuilt temple.

Roger that Gold leader. Seems logical.

Anyone find any error in all of this??

 

[Strangelove]

Zone::

Doc...

i found this in my files.
fascinating, very indepth look at Judas.
i have more on him as Iscariot (there was an assassin's cult called the iscarii)...will post later.
this makes total sense!

At the last supper we find Judas partook of the bread (a symbol of Jesus’ body- flesh), Judas dipped with the bread with Jesus but he left before he could partake of the wine (a symbol of Christ’s blood shed on the cross) Jn.13:26-30.

JUDAS ISCARIOT

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[Adstar]

"Quote:
The first beast was the original Jerusalem then? Image of the beast will be rebuilt temple.

Roger that Gold leader. Seems logical.

Anyone find any error in all of this??"

I tend to look for a simple explaination to what has been written in the Bible and i see that in this case the simple explaination seems to fit the scriptures like a glove.

The immage of the beast is an image that moves that seems to have life. It is not something like a statue or a building it is an image and an image is a flat depiction of something. Now a falt depiction that moves and speacks and seems to be alive is what people watch in cinimas and their TV screens. it is an image that moves and speaks and seems to be alive.

Imagine images of the anti-christ being beamed around the world and him talking using the modern sound projection technique like the sound system shown in your videos. Would people not bow down and worship a live image or a recording of on whom they believe is God on earth.

Many of the theorys that many hold to such as statues that talk or buildings where the best efforts at interpritation by respected churchmen from generations ago that have been kept as gospel truth by those who mistakenly place their trust in tradition. But i have always believed that most of what is revealed in the prophecies would only become understandable close to the time of their fulfilment. In fact i have a feeling that the book of revelation and other ent times prophecies where written by God for a very small number of people who will be His servents during the final days before His return.


All Praise The Ancient OF Days

 

[Strangelove]

"Quote:The immage of the beast is an image that moves that seems to have life. It is not something like a statue or a building it is an image and an image is a flat depiction of something. Now a falt depiction that moves and speacks and seems to be alive is what people watch in cinimas and their TV screens. it is an image that moves and speaks and seems to be alive.

Imagine images of the anti-christ being beamed around the world and him talking using the modern sound projection technique like the sound system shown in your videos. Would people not bow down and worship a live image or a recording of on whom they believe is God on earth.

I can see where your coming from here Brother Adstar. An image could also be 3d could it not? Hologram??? that would be semi-believable to the poor Christians who may be not so grounded in the Word. Also the fake alien invasion might be a possible candidate. Live on TV. Lolz....Fake Jesus steps out of a spaceship thats landed on the U.N. front lawn?

 

[zone]

I can see where your coming from here Brother Adstar. An image could also be 3d could it not? Hologram??? that would be semi-believable to the poor Christians who may be not so grounded in the Word. Also the fake alien invasion might be a possible candidate. Live on TV. Lolz....Fake Jesus steps out of a spaceship thats landed on the U.N. front lawn?

wow.i been away for a day and the Mother thread is gone! wazzup wit dat?

but this is good too. the milk of the Gospel is something i take every day cuz i need it to stay grounded and remain in the faith. but, as we see in Hebrews, we MUST partake of the strong meat also, if we are to be able to discern both good and evil.

thanks for holding the info Doc....it's critical for us, since we may not have the net for long.

Paul, talking to the converted hebrews about Jesus (referring to Him as Melchezidek, Whom they should have been familiar with):

Hebrews 5
11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


what does he mean by this?: seeing ye are dull of hearing.


νωθροι adjective - nominative plural masculine
nothros no-thros': sluggish, i.e. (literally) lazy, or (figuratively) stupid -- dull, slothful.


when i saw that i was rattled, and determined not to be that way. i agree that all we can do is keeping studying, praying, helping each other and WATCHING.

thanks for keeping this going Doc...love ya...zone

 

[Strangelove]

Been reading up on that Rothschild link Zone...

Heres an interesting bit::::::::::::

VISITING THE NATION THE ROTHSCHILDS BUILT

In 1974, in the summer after the Yom Kippur War this Author toured Israel, and got the chance to personally visit many of the buildings like the Knesset that the Rothschild’s money has built. The Knesset is the Israeli equivalent to our Congress’s Capitol building. One of the Rothschilds in his will left money for ongoing building projects in Israel, and the Rothschilds are honored with a Street named after them in Jerusalem.

The people of Germany and Turkey have been very close. I can recall meeting Turkish ,,Gastarbeiter" (guestworkers) in Germany. The reader will remember that Turkey fought on Germany’s side in W.W. I. A few powerful Jews, including the Rothschilds were responsible for the wording of the Treaty imposed on Germany that ended W.W. I (3) The treaty gave the Rothschilds the German owned railway rights in Palestine (which had been part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire), thus paving the way for the Rothschilds to have a sure leverage to dictate policy concerning Palestine. The Rothschilds had made loans to Turkey which amounted to almost one hundred million pounds. When the Turkish government collapsed after W.W. I because they were on the losing side, the Rothschilds had a claim on Palestine because of those unpaid Turkish loans.4 The British government followed the dictates of the Rothschilds. The British were given a mandate over Palestine, and the Rothschilds were able to through their proxies in the British government, to create the steps that led to the nation of Israel.

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The family was basically responsible for the modern nation state of Isreal. It's his country. Wow.

 

[zone]

Been reading up on that Rothschild link Zone...

Heres an interesting bit::::::::::::

VISITING THE NATION THE ROTHSCHILDS BUILT

In 1974, in the summer after the Yom Kippur War this Author toured Israel, and got the chance to personally visit many of the buildings like the Knesset that the Rothschild’s money has built. The Knesset is the Israeli equivalent to our Congress’s Capitol building. One of the Rothschilds in his will left money for ongoing building projects in Israel, and the Rothschilds are honored with a Street named after them in Jerusalem.

The people of Germany and Turkey have been very close. I can recall meeting Turkish ,,Gastarbeiter" (guestworkers) in Germany. The reader will remember that Turkey fought on Germany’s side in W.W. I. A few powerful Jews, including the Rothschilds were responsible for the wording of the Treaty imposed on Germany that ended W.W. I (3) The treaty gave the Rothschilds the German owned railway rights in Palestine (which had been part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire), thus paving the way for the Rothschilds to have a sure leverage to dictate policy concerning Palestine. The Rothschilds had made loans to Turkey which amounted to almost one hundred million pounds. When the Turkish government collapsed after W.W. I because they were on the losing side, the Rothschilds had a claim on Palestine because of those unpaid Turkish loans.4 The British government followed the dictates of the Rothschilds. The British were given a mandate over Palestine, and the Rothschilds were able to through their proxies in the British government, to create the steps that led to the nation of Israel.

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The family was basically responsible for the modern nation state of Isreal. It's his country. Wow.

k...now we're getting somewhere.
so, since Jesus swore Jerusalem would be left DESOLATE until He Returned; and some ULTRA-RICH strange people who don't know Him have set up shop (the love of money is the root of all evil); and those people are guided by what's in the Babylonian Talmud that Jesus condemned....

hmmm......

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Doc,You do understand that it is not one man who sets up the abomination of desolation dont you?
The scripture says an army does this.Not the king (president)who commands them.

 

[jasoncran]

i'm with adstar stick to scripture as we cant go wrong.

he that is in the way hasnt been removed just yet so son of perdition isnt quite on the scene.

sl what church do you attend if any?

 

[zone]

Doc,You do understand that it is not one man who sets up the abomination of desolation dont you?
The scripture says an army does this.Not the king (president)who commands them.

hi shiloh, i know you were asking Doc, but would it be okay if i ask a question?
zone.

 

[zone]

i'm with adstar stick to scripture as we cant go wrong.

he that is in the way hasnt been removed just yet so son of perdition isnt quite on the scene.

sl what church do you attend if any?

hi jason:
what's your understanding of "he who know letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way" (2 Thessalonians 2), and how can you know that hasn't happened?

zone.

 

[jasoncran]

the u.n or any nations or person hasnt gained control of the world.

two. i can see that restrainer as to things, the holy spirit, he still is active on the earth
as a pre-tribber the church hasnt been raptured.


obama is distancing us from the nation of isreal. if isreal was that powerful surely we wouldnt be doing that.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

hi shiloh, i know you were asking Doc, but would it be okay if i ask a question?
zone.

sure

 

[zone]

the u.n or any nations or person hasnt gained control of the world..

how do you know that?
and even if they haven't yet, can't they?

two. i can see that restrainer as to things, the holy spirit, he still is active on the earth
as a pre-tribber the church hasnt been raptured...

okay. so you're a pre-tribber...that's cool.

the only trouble with the Holy Spirit being the restrainer is that NONE of the "he's" in that passage have the Divine article attached in the Greek, meaning none of those "he's" are of the Godhead -if they were, they would be He, not he.

naturally, nothing happens without orders from God, but the Holy Spirit can not be the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2.

even if it were Him, how would anyone be saved during the trib without either the church or The Holy Spirit?

we can't know for sure exactly who (and with "what") is restraining the evil one, but my thought is it's Michael, since Michael always seems to deal with Satan; Michael and Satan war in heaven and Michael and his angels prevail, and satan is cast to earth; etc.

the word "withholdeth" means a pressing down, restraining. "until he be taken out of the way" means moved or removed. so it seems likely to me it's Michael.

obama is distancing us from the nation of isreal. if isreal was that powerful surely we wouldnt be doing that.

i believe this is just another ploy.
they're all in it together....i mean, really: is it just a coincidence that dual American/Israeli citizen (illegal) Rahm Emmanuel (mossad and son of a terr*orist) is Obama's chief of staff?

jes sayin

 

[zone]

Re: Son of Perdition

Originally Posted by Shilohsfoal
Doc,You do understand that it is not one man who sets up the abomination of desolation dont you?
The scripture says an army does this.Not the king (president)who commands them.



hi shiloh, i know you were asking Doc, but would it be okay if i ask a question?


k...thanks.
could you go into this a bit more?
even if that's so, does that effect the theory much?

eventually the son of perdition (leading the Mother of Harlots) will have total control. he won't really need to do much himself, aside from proclaiming himself to be god, and he'll apparently be able to put forth the order that ALL who dwell upon the earth receive the mark or be killed...it'll take a big army or force to accomplish that.

best,
zone.
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[Adstar]

I don't feel it is necessary for us to know who the Restrainer is. I do not believe it is the Holy Spirit however. Because i believe the Holy Spirit will be working on earth right up to the day of the Messiah's return. So The Angel Michael could be the Restrainer or it might be another Angel.

I am not a pre-tribber.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

 

[Strangelove]

i'm with adstar stick to scripture as we cant go wrong.

he that is in the way hasnt been removed just yet so son of perdition isnt quite on the scene.

Maybe he has maybe he hasnt. No real way of knowing.

sl what church do you attend if any?

Lolz....I attend the church of ChristianForums.net.

Never been to a building called a church in my life.