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Spanking The Children

Let's throw the baby out with the bathwater. Because some are excessive in their discipline, we must make laws to put everyone in jail who even raises their voice at their child? That's the way it is these days. Eli recieved rather harsh punishment for his undisciplined children, Hophni and Phineas WHO WERE HAVING SEX WITH VIRGINS IN THE DOORWAY OF THE TENT OF THE MEETING! I take my parenting responsibility seriously. I am to discipline with love but love is not always nice in the misuse of the term. It is of course "nice" to bring a child up disciplined so that he will not be a shame to his mother (and father) (see proverbs). The scriptures and the Church guide is to the correct balance.
 
regardless of what I believe, should you not be able to answer my question? Or atleast ponder the situation?

I might be destine for hell, and I might be a Fool, However, I can still make points about your book, that you should be able to read and either agree with, or disagree with, to change your logic or, change mine :wink:
 
peace4all yes you can always state what you think. And Thess when I was growing up the sisters in the Catholic schools would kick kids butts, they were known for not taking any garbage off children. And my parents and millions of others applauded this approach. I went to public school almost went to Catholic school but my mom protested against my dad and grand parents, because she is Hebrew, and my dad's side is Christians. But anyway in public school I use to get a spanking from the teachers when I messed up. But abuse can go down, and it did in 1968 I got beat up by a teacher I was in junior high
and my mom and grandad wanted to kill the guy. But see that was abuse, but a regular spanking with a paddle, my parents did not mine. And when I was in junior high we were still getting the paddle. The principle and vice princples and about 2 teachers were the disciplinarians and they would paddle your behind, and it hurt, and thats the idea, so you won't do what you did again.
 
you should never have to use another object to beat a child. It should be your hand and your hand alone. It actually lets you know how hard you are hitting, and. well, is a spanking.

A paddle or a Spatula, is a beating.
 
I think Thess is right about this. Believers need to use the Scripture, and teaching of the church...and accountability to God, and other brothers,...to accomplish the task of rearing children in a serious, and responsible, manner. Proverbs 27:17 It truly is our ministry for God as parents, and aside from our marriage THE MOST IMPORTANT.

We should be using discipline to correct our children, and in some serious matters even spankings, if not we bring reproach, and shame, on ouselves. Proverbs 19:26 I do not like to spank my children, and I DO think it is harder on me than it is on them, but I do it because I love God, and I love them. I have a friend who always tells me that we should be jealous for our authority with our children, the way God is jealous for us. If we require their hearts, and require them to hear us above all else, it protects them from the deceiver who desires to devour them with false teaching...humanistic in root. Proverbs 3:1-4 Is that not the very reason God tells us to have no other God's before Him?

If we teach our children the Word, the Gospel, and train them in obedience by having them walk beside us, and learn through love and discipline, then we will keep their hearts. Proverbs 4:1-5 We must walk it out before them, though. I do not think the, "do as I say, not as I do" method is Biblical at all. We must show them how to walk, and then we must teach them how to confess sin, and lean on Christ during trials...we are not perfect, but they must honor us anyway....this is for their good. Proverbs 6:20-23 The family is a training ground on how to be obedient to God, and how to use their gifts to serve the kingdom of God without pettiness, and bickering, and with a mindset to work hard to glorify God while learning to put others first. God always allows things to come into our lives for the purpose of discipline, He has built natural consequences in for sin. He is always doing me good...even in my worst trial.

We should be studying the Word with our children foremost. 2 Timothy 3:15 If we are spanking, how much more should we be teaching them the Word as God commands? "Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee". Our children need the Word to keep from sinning...the first step in preventing disobedience, and the MOST effective. Teaching them Biblical truths, memorizing Scripture, learning hymns...these are the best ways to train, and they should be more important than spanking...though spanking is useful in requiring obedience. Colossians 3:20

I know that others here, who do not know God, or are just in error because they are mixing man's wisdom (psychology) with God's Supreme wisdom, disagree that we should ever spank our children. These said it straight, they have thrown the baby out with the bath water, and this is error according to the Word, and it is the highest form of abuse. Discipline brings security, and stability, into the heart of a child. They learn of consequences, and they learn right from wrong, and they are prevented, by loving parents, from continuing in sin. An abusive parent will allow a child to continue in a carnal way of living, and they will become deceived early on, and become focused on self, and not on God, and serving Him. God teaches us right from the beginning that the lust of the flesh will bring death...eternal. We must train, and discipline, to save their souls, and help them see past that desire of self, and see God, and others, as their priority. The, how they will shine a light! Then, how joyful, and peaceful, they will be in the contented work of the Lord!

When my children do something wrong, they can trust that mommy will discipline them, and then it is over and we move on. They can also count on being protected from one another, and from sin, by me requiring them to be obedient, and teaching them to take their struggles to Christ. They learn SELF-CONTROL, and how to lean on God for the source of it. Does spanking have to be excessive? No, and to beat child apart from all the other things we are commanded to do as parents, is the same as not spanking them at all...it is abuse, and it will grow fruits of anger, bitterness, and resentment. Colossians 3:21 This is why so many in the world do not spank, because they have experienced this apart from love, and apart from God. I have compassion for those reasons, but even those who have been abused MUST obey God, and stop the cycle that satan desires to keep them in. NOT discipling is even worse.

I rarely have to spank my children. They are grieved over the fact that I am having to even talk to them about a matter much less spank them. Why? Because, through the help of older brothers, and sisters, in the Lord, I learned as a young mother to keep their hearts. Proverbs 23:26 Proverbs is great for teaching children to give us their hearts, and requiring it of them on a daily basis through our actions. It's a process, and they will never be perfect, though I can expect growth...especially once they become saved...which is always my hope. I learned from older believers, to teach them to honor God, learn the Word, and honor their parents. This I do to keep them from sin, coupled with prayer, so that the Lord will open their eyes to see Him.

I tell my son that the deceiver is a bird of prey seeking to steal my young ones from my nest to peck out their eyes, and devour them. He does this so that they can not see Christ, and when I see signs of disobedience, like comments other than yes mother, or rolling of eyes, etc...I know, that the deceiver is lurking, and I must gather them to me for protection. I take those signs, as a reminder to stay steadfast for God, and to encourage the older to show the younger how to respond in obedience, and in humility and not cause his younger brother, and sister, to stumble.

Proverbs 30:11-13 and Proverbs 30:17
11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up. (rolling eyes?)
and..
17 The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.


The world disagrees, and they have their reasons, but they are not Godly reasons, they are worldly reasons. We, believers, should look (be)different, and should appear foolish to them, because their eyes are either closed completely, or deceived on this matter...possibly even pecked out. We have been set apart by God. I encourage my brothers, and sisters, who do not agree that we need to spank at times to look at Scripture as a whole, not just the parts that fit in with a false doctrine that they may have picked up in the world that has only the appearance of being good...we are all guilty of this at times, and need a little unlearning. I would like to encourage all parents to teach the Word to their children in daily study, devotion, memorization, and catechism...this is the MOST effective way to train them, and it will hopefully open their eyes to Christ one day. Not just correcting actions, but dealing with their hearts. If we are not doing this first, and foremost, then the spanking may just be a lazy approach for those who are not applying ALL that God would have them apply to parenting. This is a ministry for God, more important most others, and we should be doing it for His glory.

The Lord bless all of you. Oh, and for those who are feeling discouraged in this area, and we all do at times, trust the Lord to do the work of changing hearts, and actions, in your little ones. Just obey Him, and He will take care of the rest.
 
peace4all said:
you should never have to use another object to beat a child. It should be your hand and your hand alone. It actually lets you know how hard you are hitting, and. well, is a spanking.

A paddle or a Spatula, is a beating.
You are wrong about that. No flesh against flesh, period. You never read where God says to hit them with your hands.

Now, if you want to do some experimenting, let me hit you with the spatula, then my hand and you tell me which one hurts more.
 
My grandmother use to use a thin willow branch to sting my legs. Talk about stinging...ouch! :wink:
 
vic said:
peace4all said:
you should never have to use another object to beat a child. It should be your hand and your hand alone. It actually lets you know how hard you are hitting, and. well, is a spanking.

A paddle or a Spatula, is a beating.
You are wrong about that. No flesh against flesh, period. You never read where God says to hit them with your hands.

Now, if you want to do some experimenting, let me hit you with the spatula, then my hand and you tell me which one hurts more.

I am in agreement with Vic. Never spank your children with your hands, but instead use an item that will sting the kiddo's tailend. Before they are spanked with a spatula, switch, or other simple device, they should be aware of what the rules are, and what the consequences are to be. One should never discipline a child out of a knee-jerk reaction, but instead a loving, understood consequence to wrong behavior.

My children get a discussion before the spanking, and they are asked whether they feel that there actions warrant the consequence of being spanked. If they agree that a spanking is warranted, I ask them whether one or two swats are warrented for the infraction. They choose correctly most of the time.


A child should be given love, praise, and exhorted to be the best person that they can be on a continual basis. With this type of treatment, spanking seldom have to be issued. My oldest received few spankings, my second received the most spankings, and the last three learned from mom and dad's treatment of the older children, with seldom spankings. My youngest son of five sons is now eleven years old, and he has received a total approximation of 5 spankings his entire life.

PS. The second boy that received the most spankings just called me to tell me he loved me and missed mom and me, and wants to come home soon. He pitches in the minor leagues for the Texas Rangers.
 
My dad used the strap. And then when I was in my 20's and married he had to knock me down because I was way out of line. He had to knock my head off a few times as a teenager too, why because I was way out of line. In Biblical times you did not hear hardly anybody having to much trouble out of them kids except for about a few cases. Back then them people would kill you. But coming up as a child the strap on the behind was all my brother and I got. And the rest of our relatives could strap each others kids behind too. It takes a village to raise a child. The neighbors could spank your behind then too. But not today and because of this lack of discipline the children have went crazy, in todays world.
 
peace4all said:
you should never have to use another object to beat a child. It should be your hand and your hand alone. It actually lets you know how hard you are hitting, and. well, is a spanking.

A paddle or a Spatula, is a beating.

Have you ever smacked yourself on the leg with a thin plastic spatula? I HARDLY think that's a beating. It stings for a second. That's IT. Longterm, it's a lot less painful than a smack with a hand.
 
vic said:
peace4all said:
you should never have to use another object to beat a child. It should be your hand and your hand alone. It actually lets you know how hard you are hitting, and. well, is a spanking.

A paddle or a Spatula, is a beating.
You are wrong about that. No flesh against flesh, period. You never read where God says to hit them with your hands.

Now, if you want to do some experimenting, let me hit you with the spatula, then my hand and you tell me which one hurts more.

Thank you Vic.

I'm lucky that I rarely have to spank my kids. It is VERY rare that it has to be done. 1, 2, 3 usually works because they know they have 3 strikes or the spatula comes out. The spatula only hurts for a second...whereas a smack with the hand usually leaves nice fingerprints and hurts longer.
 
vic said:
peace4all said:
you should never have to use another object to beat a child. It should be your hand and your hand alone. It actually lets you know how hard you are hitting, and. well, is a spanking.

A paddle or a Spatula, is a beating.
You are wrong about that. No flesh against flesh, period. You never read where God says to hit them with your hands.

Now, if you want to do some experimenting, let me hit you with the spatula, then my hand and you tell me which one hurts more.

ok your on, then it's my turn
 
Nikki said:
Spanking Tip:

A thin plastic spatula works GREAT. It gives a good sting to get the kids attention, but doesn't leave any marks.
:wink:
ah, I see, you got it all figured out, how to beat your kids and not leave any marks, Brilliant!!. I hear you can do this with a phone book, is this true??
 
srry, but could someone cite where hte bible says no hand spanking? i totally must have missed that.

besides, should you not feel yourself, the pain your child feels, but in your hand?
 
rkc,

Please refrain from personal attacks in the form of sarcasm, and veiled slanderous accusations. You have been persisting in this manner throughout this thread, and it is against the TOS. Thank you, and the Lord bless you.

lovely
 
Peace,

I think that it's more that the Scripture does say to use a rod. I think that even if you are using a rod, or switch, or something else, you can gauge what is an appropriate level of force. When my older child was little I actually tried our rod on my thigh to see how much it hurt before I used it. I think something that is thinner, and stings a small area, is better than the hand, or something like a paddle where there is a larger surface area, and force has to be used to make it effective. This could cause an injury.

Secondly, I think using your hand is uncontrolled and could leave the child, and the parent, wide open to a situation that is emotionally charged, and has the potential of being truly abusive. We have always kept our little doll rod in the bathroom, and we always speak to our child first before spanking and let them know what the offence was, this was our way of staying accountable, and protecting our children. I am interested to see if others have different reasons that they do not use their hand.

The Lord bless you.
 
rkc said:
Nikki said:
Spanking Tip:

A thin plastic spatula works GREAT. It gives a good sting to get the kids attention, but doesn't leave any marks.
:wink:
ah, I see, you got it all figured out, how to beat your kids and not leave any marks, Brilliant!!. I hear you can do this with a phone book, is this true??

You have a lot to learn if you think a little smack is "beating". I would NEVER beat my children so don't you EVER accuse me of that.
 
I have been pistol whipping mine for years, with an occasional clubing with a bat or a tire iron :-D :D
 
Lewis W said:
I have been pistol whipping mine for years, with an occasional clubing with a bat or a tire iron :-D :D

Make sure that you seal their mouths with duct tape so that their screams are muffled and no one will hear their pathetic cries for help!! :smt075

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