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Spanking The Children

How @ say to 'em, 'Dare To Be A Daniel' - from http://www.crosswalk.com

Graham's Ministry Launches New Youth Evangelism Training Project

A well-known ministry has kicked off a new campaign to help young teenagers and pre-teens deepen their faith.

AgapePress reports the aim of the campaign is to help Christian youth nationwide become better equipped when it comes to sharing their faith. "Dare to Be a Daniel," or D2BD, is a ministry of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) that targets children age 9 to 14 years old, offering these young believers a number of resources to help them learn how to express their faith and win souls for God.

Primary among these resources is an evangelism training kit, which is based on the biblical story of Daniel and includes a study guide and an interactive CD-ROM.

Upon completion of the study guide, each child receives an ID card and opportunities to take part in more activities through a special Internet site. On the D2BD website, participants can access an online training manual with scripture memory verses and exercises, a message board where they can meet other young "Daniels" who are taking a stand for Christ in their own schools and neighborhoods, and other tools.

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That story reminds me of the purpose of Christian disipline: to 'make disciples & teach them to observe all the things I have told you', as Jesus said in Matt 28

In the Welsh Revival, whose centenary was celebrated in 2004, little kids were preaching the gospel in their playgrounds & leading teachers & even school heads to faith in Christ 8-)

'Without vision, the people perish' - so picture them becoming anointed little preachers in the mission field of school :wink:

2/3 weeks to practise before school starts.... :multi:

Ian :-D
 
I don't know that this passage has been posted in this thread. If not it needs to be because it highlights the reason for discipline. I discipline because I love my children, and yes at times it is painful for them.

Heb 12
4: In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
5: And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons? -- "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage when you are punished by him.
6: For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives."
7: It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
8: If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
9: Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
10: For they disciplined us for a short time at their pleasure, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness.
11: For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

God disciplines out of love and so do I because I am in his image and likeneess.
 
When was the last time God came down and beat you with a rod though?

Isn't that mroe discipline as in , things don't go your way, you don't win the lottery, maybe your cat dies suddenly? you get sick?

Im not saying go kill your cat, or sit your kid infront of the microwave so he gets cancer, but i don't think that is at all the same as physically hitting your child.
 
peace4all said:
When was the last time God came down and beat you with a rod though?

Isn't that mroe discipline as in , things don't go your way, you don't win the lottery, maybe your cat dies suddenly? you get sick?

Im not saying go kill your cat, or sit your kid infront of the microwave so he gets cancer, but i don't think that is at all the same as physically hitting your child.
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Or a drunk driver runs in to a wall and ends up in the hospital maybe. The drug addict goes through days of painful withdrawl. Gee, you didn't think of that one did you? God set these "pains" up dude. I'll take a spanking with a paddle over that any day.
 
well of course, God would punish you apropriately for you rbehaviors (except some people, I guess they can get away with murder and such and not be punished)

However, Did god give you the power to beat your kids with a rod? Although it says discipline in proverbs, does that mean with a stick? or with a spatula? and what about

Ephesians 6:4 - And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Colossians 3:21 - Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

that were already posted on this thread?

disregard proverbs, or disregard these 2?
 
Rarely are my children angry when I spank them oddly enough. I am okay with the scriptures you have posted. I know a few times when I have violated them and so I know the difference. Do you have children peace? Seems not or you might know the difference as well.
 
no, But i was a child that was spanked.

about 1/2 the times i look back on, i agree that i deserved punishment. Sure, a spanking is ok, I have nothing really against a spanking. However with a spatula or other device? That is implementing a tool for violence. I don't agree with that at all.
 
peace4all said:
no, But i was a child that was spanked.

about 1/2 the times i look back on, i agree that i deserved punishment. Sure, a spanking is ok, I have nothing really against a spanking. However with a spatula or other device? That is implementing a tool for violence. I don't agree with that at all.
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I guess you still haven't gotten a very thin spatula and smacked yourself (I'm not talking about WHACKING yourself hard) on the upper leg with it, have you? If you say that it hurts worse than being hit by a hand, you are lying.
 
it can hrut more or less, it alldepends how hard you use it.

why use a spatula? Why do you need to get a tool for violence?

Srry, at college, I have no spatula, the closest cooking uteensil I have is a whisk. lol
 
peace4all said:
... why use a spatula? Why do you need to get a tool for violence?...
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I thought I already explained that. No flesh upon flesh. No part of the body was designed as a "tool" for violence, which is why God never condoned it. HIS method of discipline for us was the rod.
 
peace4all said:
it can hrut more or less, it alldepends how hard you use it.

why use a spatula? Why do you need to get a tool for violence?

Srry, at college, I have no spatula, the closest cooking uteensil I have is a whisk. lol
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Because I found that I was spanking them harder with my hand. I don't want to beat my kids. I want to get their attention. I was told by someone else to use a spatula because it stung enough to get their attention, but didn't hurt them as bad in the longrun as hitting them with your hand. I didn't believe it at first until I tried it on myself and noticed a HUGE difference.

When you have kids, get back with me. Until then, there is no reason for me to continue this conversation with you.
 
I think kids need disciplin, and that, yes, that disciplin sometimes needs to come in the form of a physical contact. I even get annoyingly unnerved when these liberal types call spanking "violence against children". Spanking is NOT violence, it is simply a form of disciplinary action and, as Nikki said, getting their attention.
The only problem is that some people have gone overboard with it in the past. Dash it all, I wish I had a link, but it's a very old story and I don't: A couple from Tenessee nearly beat their children to death, spanking them 320 times each with a wooden board. THAT is violence, and I would never condone but only condemn 'discipline' against children simply for the sake of anger or rage. We should hold ourchildren very dear, and cherish them that they may grow to know the love of Christ as we have.
 
I so hate spanking my 4 year old. He is such a cute little guy and so full of energy. I can see the tearful repentence coming before I do it. But he has to be brought to that. Better by me than the world.
 
I firmly believe that parents who refuse to spank children beginning at a young age and up until it is no longer effective (varies... perhaps 10, 11, 12?) raise brats. Worse yet are parents who get angry when someone else disciplines their child, even verbally. Children should be trained to respect all adults charged with their care. Family members, babysitters, even friends who are over your house visiting. If you don't trust your friends, you shouldn't have them over.

Now, you could get lucky and have a child who is just an angel and never needs spanking... On the other hand, if you have 2 or 3 kids, the chances of all 3 falling into that category is pretty slim.

Empty threats are worthless. "timeout" or "grounding" are a joke. Those are not punishments. Furthermore, taking away Playstation or DVD is not punishment, either. Those are privileges that should be earned. They should go above and beyond just "being good" to get access to those at all. Punishment should be a negative consequence, not simply a removal of a privilege.

I got spanked both in school and at home growing up. Furthermore, I knew that if I got spanked at school, it would be 10x worse when I got home... As a result, it only took one year of being a bad little boy and getting double-spanked for me to straighten up my act...... In fact, I never once got sent to the principal's office in all of 3rd through 12th grade.... I knew that consequences at school were NOTHING compared to what I would get at home. Guess what folks: it's okay for your kids to FEAR what might happen if they deliberately mess up.

-Michael
 
Aah, the good ol' days Lewis, The libs must have been on vacation... or running fron the perents spatula. :-D

No one posted on what shoild be done, or said, once the discipline was over. Any comments?


Empty threats are worthless. "timeout" or "grounding" are a joke. Those are not punishments. Furthermore, taking away Playstation or DVD is not punishment, either. Those are privileges that should be earned. They should go above and beyond just "being good" to get access to those at all. Punishment should be a negative consequence, not simply a removal of a privilege.
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I agree with the first part for sure, but, if something is to be earned for good deeds, shouldn't the opposite be true?

Yes, punishment should be negative, that I agree with also. An older Christian friend of mine once said that boys respond to two things; pain and fear. lol :wink: Army mentality, for sure.
 
Nikki said:
peace4all said:
it can hrut more or less, it alldepends how hard you use it.

why use a spatula? Why do you need to get a tool for violence?

Srry, at college, I have no spatula, the closest cooking uteensil I have is a whisk. lol
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Because I found that I was spanking them harder with my hand. I don't want to beat my kids. I want to get their attention. I was told by someone else to use a spatula because it stung enough to get their attention, but didn't hurt them as bad in the longrun as hitting them with your hand. I didn't believe it at first until I tried it on myself and noticed a HUGE difference.

When you have kids, get back with me. Until then, there is no reason for me to continue this conversation with you.
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If I were to hit myself with something, anticipation would kick in and slow my hand, this reaction from my brain is hard to control, not only that but there is a huge difference from hitting your leg to hitting a small childs rear end, do you know how many nerve endings there are or your butt?
Think about punching yourself in the head vs punching someone else in the head...if it's ment for someone else your gonna make them feel it cause your angry, if your angry with your kids, and then you go get something to hit them with...if you think your using the same amount of force your silly, you wanna make them feel it, damn thats harsh.
Take a little time with the little ones, don't "cheap out" and start swinging, man the whole planet is screwed up cause everyone hits first, talks later.
 
vic said:
Aah, the good ol' days Lewis, The libs must have been on vacation... or running fron the perents spatula. :-D

No one posted on what shoild be done, or said, once the discipline was over. Any comments?


Empty threats are worthless. "timeout" or "grounding" are a joke. Those are not punishments. Furthermore, taking away Playstation or DVD is not punishment, either. Those are privileges that should be earned. They should go above and beyond just "being good" to get access to those at all. Punishment should be a negative consequence, not simply a removal of a privilege.
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I agree with the first part for sure, but, if something is to be earned for good deeds, shouldn't the opposite be true?

Yes, punishment should be negative, that I agree with also. An older Christian friend of mine once said that boys respond to two things; pain and fear. lol :wink: Army mentality, for sure.
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Well since there are no beatings in my house, we always talk it out and make a "deal" and shake on it, my little man knows that in order not to dissapointe his parents he has to keep to his end of the bargin, the same bargin he helped hammer out.
Time outs when used "PROPERLY" are very effective, those who think it dosn't work haven't tried it, or have exectued it wrong. Little kids hate doing one thing when they're young, thats sit still lol.
Thankfully my 3 year old rarley gets a timeout, and behaves very well and loves to help out around the house, especially with Dad!
 
That's cool. It works on some, you know your children well enough. I'm sure. But, it doesn't always work with some. Anyways...

My point (if i had one!) was more on the lines of Newton's Law;

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

If the action was discipline, then the reaction should be love. Let the child know it was their action, not the child itself, that caused them to get punished.

It is said that to not to spare the rod is loving the child. Proverbs 13:24


They need to know ya still love them. :) So tell them!
 
Yes a time out will work for some, and then you have the ones, that you have to whip their behinds.
 
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