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Speaking in Tongues Demonstrated

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Is this the true gift of tongues?

[youtube:1d9ht7dp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvls96ziyU[/youtube:1d9ht7dp]

[youtube:1d9ht7dp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuJEi255Kk[/youtube:1d9ht7dp]
 
The second one is obviously mocking the gift. She uses some English in there that I doubt came from the Holy Spirit.
 
I think we have had enough Tongues threads for now. :yes They just lead to fighting and saying things we need not be sating to each other.
 
Is this the true gift of tongues?

[youtube:1d9ht7dp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvls96ziyU[/youtube:1d9ht7dp]

[youtube:1d9ht7dp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuJEi255Kk[/youtube:1d9ht7dp]

NO. It is not the gift of tongues. It is the manifestation of tongues.
 
I am the singer in this video. Just found this thread.

In response to Dave Slayer's comment, no, it is not the gift of tongues demonstrated in this video but it is the manifestation of speaking in tongues.

IN response to merlow's comment, geez. Mocking??? ***sigh***

In response to Vic C's commnet: You're right about the hostility surrounding this topic. Sad state of affairs that Christians can be so hostle to each other supposedly in defense of "the gospel".
 
I've spent my life in churches that don't speak in tongues - ever. I've never seen it happen. I hope I don't get pounced on for this. I'm Lutheran, and it's something that has always been foreign to us. I am interested to learn about it, though, for information.

My understanding of tongues is that the person speaking in tongue sort of loses consciousness and begins speaking beyond their own control, and that their must be someone present to interpret it.
The first video wasn't consistent with this.He just started speaking as though he were showing us how he speaks a foreign language. The same with the woman singing. I'm sorry, but the second video was hard to watch, so I was turned off. I'd like to witness someone speaking and have two people who don't know each other or the speaker, and see if they interpret the same message. Not because I'm pessimistic, but to test that particular speaker to determine if it's true in his/her case.

For those who do speak in tongues, am I correct? Or can you drop and demonstrate it like that?
 
I've spent my life in churches that don't speak in tongues - ever. I've never seen it happen. I hope I don't get pounced on for this. I'm Lutheran, and it's something that has always been foreign to us. I am interested to learn about it, though, for information.

My understanding of tongues is that the person speaking in tongue sort of loses consciousness and begins speaking beyond their own control, and that their must be someone present to interpret it.
The first video wasn't consistent with this.He just started speaking as though he were showing us how he speaks a foreign language. The same with the woman singing. I'm sorry, but the second video was hard to watch, so I was turned off. I'd like to witness someone speaking and have two people who don't know each other or the speaker, and see if they interpret the same message. Not because I'm pessimistic, but to test that particular speaker to determine if it's true in his/her case.

For those who do speak in tongues, am I correct? Or can you drop and demonstrate it like that?
I don't understand this issue well, but as far as I do understand it I agree with you, Mike. I am under the impression that it is an experience that just happens, rather than one choosing to speak in tongues. That's what I understand from a few people I know who go to a tongue-speaking church. Whenever they speak in tongues they come to school the next day excited about it and make a big deal about it.

My only gripe with speaking in tongues would be similar to that of Paul, in one of his letters to the Corinthians, when he said that the speaking in tongues tends to focus on the speaker rather than the message, and becasue of translation issues it would be better for there to be prophesy rather than tongues. Having said that I am not denying that people do speak in tongues, but I have never personally wittnessed it. Another reason that I am a bit skeptical is that all of the churches I have heard it happening in (at least in my area) are focused on the prosperity gospel. Hmmm....
 

I can share what I know about it.
The first time a person speaks in tongues is when he/she is being baptized with the Holy Spirit.
I.E. this baptism is a pre-requisite for any of the 9 spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12), and tongues is one of them.
(In my case, I said a few words, and never again.)
After that, a person may be given "the gift of tongues".
Many people with this gift, "pray" in tongues naturally (on their own accord).
Others may be given the gift on a special occasion (usually a church meeting),
which is to be authenticated by someone having "the gift of interpretation of tongues".
The Holy Spirit gives witness to whether the message is truly from Him.

But, don't put God in a box ... for example:
God had a mesage for an old Polish man who was sitting in the back pew;
a lady spoke in tongues ... and the man was blessed because the tongues was in Polish.
Did you know that God has a great sense of humor?
In about 1990, I was frustrated at not being given the baptism with the Holy Spirit,
and on the way home from church I was complaining to my wife, "I'll bet I don't get it until I'm 93!"
So, can you guess when I received the baptism? 1993.

People with "the gift of healing" often speak in tongues while ministering.
Speaking in tongues is a good way to "get in the Spirit".
Personally, I believe it has always been God's plan that it be a pre-requisite for any of
the 5-fold ministry (Ephesians 4:11), but the church was not co-operative for 1900 years.

While I'm here, I might as well share what happened when I received the baptism:
My baptism was confirmed by everyone on the stage where I was facing at the time:
my pastor and his wife, a visiting evangelist and his wife, my wife, the piano player, etc.
We all heard the angelic choir (with instruments), and I kept saying afterwards:
"They all had microphones!" because of how loud they sang.
Some in the audience heard it as well ... a total of 8 out of the 15 in attendance.
The angelic choir was not on the cassette tape of the meeting.
 
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Is this the true gift of tongues?

[youtube:1d9ht7dp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsvls96ziyU[/youtube:1d9ht7dp]

[youtube:1d9ht7dp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuJEi255Kk[/youtube:1d9ht7dp]

Yikes....I'm not going to say anything negative for those who practice this. There is biblical evidence of it, but it creeps me out and so I'm going to walk slowly ....backwards....out the ...door....I'm reaching for the door knob....turning it................:scared
 
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John Zain said:
The first time a person speaks in tongues is when he/she is being baptized with the Holy Spirit.
I.E. this baptism is a pre-requisite for any of the 9 spiritual gifts (1 Cor. 12), and tongues is one of them.
No, it is not a pre-requisite. The "manifestation of the Spirit" that is given to each (vs 7) is not tongues but what is explained as the spiritual gifts in verses 8-10.
 
true but that is manifested by utterance, toungues requires and interpretation otherwise its either praise of the lord in the heavenly language or the pray to the lord, and some also have prophecied but that justified by some poor exegesis.
 
true but that is manifested by utterance, toungues requires and interpretation otherwise its either praise of the lord in the heavenly language or the pray to the lord, and some also have prophecied but that justified by some poor exegesis.
The manifestation of the Spirit is not necessarily manifested by utterance. This passage is saying that the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each believer as one of the gifts listed that follow, and only one of those is listed as being speaking in tongues.
 
i disagree with that. the reason when the holy spirit came to the apostles in the upper room what happened?
 
No, it is not a pre-requisite. The "manifestation of the Spirit" that is given to each (vs 7) is not tongues but what is explained as the spiritual gifts in verses 8-10.

Perhaps you mis-understood me.
The 9 manifestations are from the Holy Spirit.

It is my opinion that these are not given in any major way
without the person having received the Holy Spirit baptism.

I know that some believers are given a few of these 9 gifts,
but they are very diluted compared with the real thing
(my wife was one example).
 
Perhaps you mis-understood me.
The 9 manifestations are from the Holy Spirit.

It is my opinion that these are not given in any major way
without the person having received the Holy Spirit baptism.

I know that some believers are given a few of these 9 gifts,
but they are very diluted compared with the real thing
(my wife was one example).
I understood you. It is good that you clarified it is only your opinion since that does not appear to be the Scriptural stance.

All believers are given a gift or gifts as the Spirit chooses, none being "diluted". Either one has a gift or one does not. There is no diluted gift vs "real thing".
 
I understood you. It is good that you clarified it is only your opinion since that does not appear to be the Scriptural stance.
All believers are given a gift or gifts as the Spirit chooses, none being "diluted". Either one has a gift or one does not. There is no diluted gift vs "real thing".

Thanks, I'll tell my wife that I talked to a real expert who has the baptism with lots of gifts, etc.,
and that she's crazy.

P.S. I'd better be ready to tell her why you're an expert. Please explain.
 
Thanks, I'll tell my wife that I talked to a real expert who has the baptism with lots of gifts, etc.,
and that she's crazy.

P.S. I'd better be ready to tell her why you're an expert. Please explain.

John this doesn't need to turn into a word fighting match. If we really care about what Scripture says we should explore it. I have written a paper on what I believe Scripturally is the true "Baptism of the Spirit" and when a believer receives it if you would like to read it. I have shared it on my site as a Word document. You are free to disagree with it but please use Scripture to back up your reply. Vic was wise to note that these threads often degenerate into petty fights. Let's not do that this time around please.

Edit: Sorry I had to remove the link because my site is messed up right now. If you want to read it please PM me with your email address and I'll just send it to you.

God Bless,

~Josh
 
The way I know it -

"My understanding of tongues is that the person speaking in tongue sort of loses consciousness and begins speaking beyond their own control,"

That's a good Thumbnail sketch of DEMONIC tongues, as manifested by Demonized folks - which are sometimes spoken without the person's mouth even moving, and in a totally different voice. And it IS compulsive, and the person so involved may not have any memory of having "spoken" after the fact.

On the other hand -

The "GIFT" of tongues (1 Cor 12) has no intrinsic "emotion" or loss of consciousness, or loss of personal volition connected to it at all. In the beginning there may be a "JOY" and an exuberance associated with it (as a NEW THING!! from the Lord). I've been "speaking in tongues" now for about 37 years, and there's not particular emotion at all - except for a "peace", and a "Rest" to it.

I've been around "tongues" people (Pentecostals and Charismatics) in 6 states over the last 49 years, and it's just about always the same - A person "just speaks" in a tongue without "build up" or fanfare, and it's followed by an interpretation. In 49 years I can still count the number of times that a "Tongue" was spoken in a meeting, and there WAS NO "interpretation". Some tongues are "Complex" in nature and appear to have the characteristics of "language". And SOME tongues are idiot simple and sound like "gibberish". I've NEVER heard a tongue that I recognized, and I haven't recognized my OWN either.

An illustration that is valid in MY case (and other that I've talked about it with) would be "reading aloud from a book". When you read aloud from a book, YOU are not supplying the words - the book is, by way of your eyes to your mind - and you're simply making the "Sounds" dictated by the words on the page. You're not "thinking anything up, and you're mind is involved only in creating "speech".

In a similar manner, the person speaking in a "tongue" is also "Not supplying the words" - the Holy Spirit is, and they're not coming into his mind by way of his eyes, but directly in from the Spirit. It's still up to the "mind" to create the "sounds" of the words audibly, and you're simply speaking what's "flowing in" by the Spirit.

There ABSOLUTELY NOTHING "Ecstatic" about it whatsoever.

I've spoken in tongues for 47 years. I received it during worship at an FGBMFI DInner meeting in Sidney, OH in '73 When all of a sudden I became "Aware" of unusual words in my mind - which flowed as I spoke them.

And like typical "Pentecostals", I can speak in a tongue that's simply present there all the time, and "Flows" as long as I desire to speak it. We Pentecostals normally refer to this as a "Prayer language" (1 Cor 14:2), and it APPEARS generally to be simply present with those who've experienced the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" (to use the AoG vernacular).

BUT -

My "English" - when I speak it autonomously DOES NOT CONSTITUTE PROPHESY - unless I'm specifically burdened by the Holy Spirit to speak a prophetic word (or deliver an interpretation of a tongue).

In the same way, my "Prayer language" DOES NOT Constitute a "Message in a tongue" - unless I'm specifically burdened by the Holy Spirit to manifest a "Message in a tongue" publically.

SO FAR I've ONLY manifested "Interpretation", and "Prophesy" publically.

In 1 Cor 14, Paul sets out some "Organizational ground rules" - the main one being - "if you're gonna teach/instruct/edify a group of folks, it's a really GOOD plan to speak a language they understand" (duh).

SO if a person speaks in a "tongue" in a meeting that's NOT understood by those present, then an INTERPRETATION is required in order for anything to be communicated. Simple as that. IF a BUNCH of folks blab in "tongues" all the time, ain't NOTHING gonna get taught.

I'd like to witness someone speaking and have two people who don't know each other or the speaker, and see if they interpret the same message. Not because I'm pessimistic, but to test that particular speaker to determine if it's true in his/her case.

And such cases have been reported, in some cases where one person understood the tongue, and confirmed the "interpretation" of the other. Naturally "reports" like this tend to be regarded as "Folklore" and dismissed.

THE PROBLEM IS:
One can't "Deliver a message in a tongue" unless he's enabled (burdened) to by the Holy Spirit, and by the same token one can't "Interpret a tongue" unless he's specifically burdened/enabled to do so by the Holy Spirit. SO the Holy Spirit would have to "cooperate" in a demonstration of that type if you wanted it "on cue".

There was a report some years back from Evangel College in Springfield MO where Billy Graham was addressing the student body, and truncated the last point of his address for time's sake. At the end of the address, a "Tongue was spoken", and the interpretation was the gist of his last point. Ive never PERSONALLY witnessed such a thing, so everything I'm aware of is second hand.

Paranthetically:

Cut #1 seems pretty standard for "pentecostal tongues" as I've heard them over the years. If I were to speak in a tongue for the camera, it'd be similar - different speech - but no "emotionalism" or ecstatic foolishness - just speak it like it comes.

I Found #2 "Terminally Creepy".
 
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most baptists do call the tounges thing demonic till they expercience the operation themselves, and that has happened.

i generally dont talk to non-charismatics about this stuff save here.

for that reason and the constant arguing that will ensue.
 
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