Spur Of The Moment Cognition

[Edward]

I hope I can explain this in a way that will get my idea across easily. In scripture...many times when Jesus walked into an area, or got off the boat, or walked into the synagogue or what have you...the evil in the area would manifest itself. he got off the boat, a possessed man (or was it two?) ran up to Jesus and began worshipping Him. When He walked into the synagogue, likewise, the Scribes & Pharisees would (seemingly) almost immediately attack him (with words) (Jesus called them (many times) servants of the devil, He knew this, He was not wrong for he spoke the truth, no facetiousness when He said these things.) So the evil would manifest itself in the presence of the Lord. I do not believe that this was any sort of coincidence!

The Lord has this effect upon evil. Evil can not hide itself from the presence of the Almighty God. It must manifest itself upon the presence coming near. You with me still?

What could we term this to be? I find myself at a loss for an easy labeling of this phenomenon.Evil bubbles to the surface upon Jesus's presence. Like when you flick on a light, the darkness is on the move and is pushed back, It has to, the light overcomes the darkness.

My thought/question is...At times during our life, there have been moments where we (snap!) become angry or otherwish a heavy emotion befalls us, seemingly...spur of the moment, just like that bang, angry. sometimes the anger can be traced to a trigger, on occasion...with no trigger. Have you ever had this happen to you?

Could it be, that at those times, that we should look for the Lord? Did He just come near?

What do you think about this? Is Edward full of hot water on this? Have you ever thought this or do you think it is possible?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Always rely on, always lean on, always abide in Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ the Messiah) in union with ABBA.
Never once, at any time, lean on your own understanding, never once depart from His Presence. That is the "GOAL". That is His Perfect Plan, Purpose, and Healing Salvation Power to all who believe in His Name and are immersed in Him. Always totally in line, in accordance with, ALL of His Word. Yhwh never slumbers nor sleeps. He continually and perfectly always watches out for all who call on Him for help with the desperate total willingness and TRUST(abandonment of all else including self) to submit every part of personal being unto Him.

 

[Angel]

I don't ever snap into anger, but I do become sick with fear or depression quite a bit.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I don't ever snap into anger, but I do become sick with fear or depression quite a bit.

this is very common, and there are many ways throughout Scripture that God shows His Own Promise of freedom from depression and from fear and grants this freedom quite freely and generously without adding any type of guilt nor regret with it. He Gives very freely, and is Delighted to do so, just as He gave His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ totally freely and gladly to save men from their sin.
Paradoxically , and/or without any contradiction of Faith in Him and His Word,
Nutrition plays a huge role in most peoples feelings, much much more than people realize and much much more than most kinds of 'professionals' (d.ct.rs, ps.l.g.sts, ick-cet-ra ick-cet-ra etc... ) have admitted to their pts or to the public.

 

[Angel]

Interesting.
Thnx

 

[agua.]

I hope I can explain this in a way that will get my idea across easily. In scripture...many times when Jesus walked into an area, or got off the boat, or walked into the synagogue or what have you...the evil in the area would manifest itself. he got off the boat, a possessed man (or was it two?) ran up to Jesus and began worshipping Him. When He walked into the synagogue, likewise, the Scribes & Pharisees would (seemingly) almost immediately attack him (with words) (Jesus called them (many times) servants of the devil, He knew this, He was not wrong for he spoke the truth, no facetiousness when He said these things.) So the evil would manifest itself in the presence of the Lord. I do not believe that this was any sort of coincidence!

The Lord has this effect upon evil. Evil can not hide itself from the presence of the Almighty God. It must manifest itself upon the presence coming near. You with me still?

What could we term this to be? I find myself at a loss for an easy labeling of this phenomenon.Evil bubbles to the surface upon Jesus's presence. Like when you flick on a light, the darkness is on the move and is pushed back, It has to, the light overcomes the darkness.

My thought/question is...At times during our life, there have been moments where we (snap!) become angry or otherwish a heavy emotion befalls us, seemingly...spur of the moment, just like that bang, angry. sometimes the anger can be traced to a trigger, on occasion...with no trigger. Have you ever had this happen to you?

Could it be, that at those times, that we should look for the Lord? Did He just come near?

What do you think about this? Is Edward full of hot water on this? Have you ever thought this or do you think it is possible?

My thought/question is...At times during our life, there have been moments where we (snap!) become angry or otherwish a heavy emotion befalls us, seemingly...spur of the moment, just like that bang, angry. sometimes the anger can be traced to a trigger, on occasion...with no trigger. Have you ever had this happen to you?

Could it be, that at those times, that we should look for the Lord? Did He just come near?

Interesting Ed. I'd like to think if Jesus was near a believer that it would bring out something positive ie the fruits of the Spirit and not the works of the flesh. I can see how Jesus presence will bring out anger in an unbeliever though.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

I can't find the reference - perhaps someone else can --

Jesus said "when they(person(s) you're talking to) get angry REJOICE, for that means the TRUTH is too close for comfort" (i.e. getting closer to possible sorrow for wretchedness/sin leading to repentance.)

whereas if they don't get angry, just 'ho-hum' <yawn> they're not realizing or paying attention or caring that their souls are lost and the demons (figuratively or literally) have them lounge - chair comfortable with their lives without even thinking of turning to God or seeking Him or His Help in Jesus.

everyone (of us and everywhere) has a desperate need for Jesus, but multitudes reject even seeking Him... ... ... ....

 

[Edward]

Interesting Ed. I'd like to think if Jesus was near a believer that it would bring out something positive ie the fruits of the Spirit and not the works of the flesh. I can see how Jesus presence will bring out anger in an unbeliever though.

Anger in an unbeliever? Hmmm.

Let me see here. In Scripture, it usually goes like this. Jesus's presence...evil manifests...Jesus casts out the demon or wotnot...then says go and sin no more. (or similar). So a cleansing took place, (except for the Pharisees which I think were full blown satanists and out to kill Him to stop the redemption) . Could we call this a re-newing of sorts?!

Imagine a half cup of water with a dash of oil in it (we'll say the oil represents the iniquity or evil in a man.) Jesus comes and His presence is penetrating, starts filling the cup. The oil rises to the top. Pretty soon , that cup runneth over brother! The evil is overflowed and runneth out, praise the Lord!

I don't know if that's a good analogy. But even believers have iniquity within them while in the flesh.

The only possible caveat to this i think is the 900 places in scripture (lol) where it says that the Lord is with us always and so forth. I believe this of course but I just think that in my fleshy lack of understanding of the spiritual realm...it's different. Of course the Lord is with us, but is it the same being with us in Spirit, and...when Jesus walks into the room?! Somehow, in a way that I do not understand, I think it is different.

 

[Sandy Zalecki]

There is such a thing as righteous indignation. Like what happened to Jesus when He threw the money changers out of the Temple. Sometimes when I see something happening that I know is bad something wells up in me and I get angry. I just have to let it out. I don't like to be that way, but sometimes people need to know that they are in sin and the only way to get it across to them is to get angry with them.

 

[Edward]

I can't find the reference - perhaps someone else can --

Jesus said "when they(person(s) you're talking to) get angry REJOICE, for that means the TRUTH is too close for comfort" (i.e. getting closer to possible sorrow for wretchedness/sin leading to repentance.)

whereas if they don't get angry, just 'ho-hum' <yawn> they're not realizing or paying attention or caring that their souls are lost and the demons (figuratively or literally) have them lounge - chair comfortable with their lives without even thinking of turning to God or seeking Him or His Help in Jesus.

everyone (of us and everywhere) has a desperate need for Jesus, but multitudes reject even seeking Him... ... ... ....

Yeah. Agreed. i like how you talk brother, God bless you. And..what is Jesus, but truth? And love of course.

I've noticed the same thing about people (especially my ex-wife, lol) When they lie and you catch them in the lie...they're on the spot and convicted. Then as a defensive mechanism (perhaps) get angry. I used to think that my ex would do that as a distraction from the line of conversation but perhaps it is deeper than that?

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

.."would do that as a distraction from the line of conversation but perhaps it is deeper than that?"

yes, there are so many many times that even my own conversation with others is a bunch of 'fluff' to skirt direct confrontation about real (and important) issues, not being ready or not willing to deal with it at the moment.

then, though, if it comes out plainly, SHALOM! and what a RELIEF! .... an aroma of LIFE to those in Christ Jesus, ... ... ... .. ..

 

[for_his_glory]

The OP reminds me of Satan being evil as he always came before Jesus to try and destroy him. For instance, the birth of Jesus as in Matthew 2:13 where Satan tried to use Herod to destroy Jesus. Matthew Chapter 4 where Satan tempted Jesus. Matthew 26:14-16 where Satan used Judas to betray Jesus and again tried to destroy him. The final one is found in Matthew 27 which Satan thought he won when Jesus was crucified. Even in our own lives Satan seeks to destroy us by causing us to lose the faith which is Christ Jesus by using others to come against us. Even a Christian can come against another Christian if they leave a door opened for Satan to enter in.

 

[Edward]

The OP reminds me of Satan being evil as he always came before Jesus to try and destroy him. For instance, the birth of Jesus as in Matthew 2:13 where Satan tried to use Herod to destroy Jesus. Matthew Chapter 4 where Satan tempted Jesus. Matthew 26:14-16 where Satan used Judas to betray Jesus and again tried to destroy him. The final one is found in Matthew 27 which Satan thought he won when Jesus was crucified. Even in our own lives Satan seeks to destroy us by causing us to lose the faith which is Christ Jesus by using others to come against us. Even a Christian can come against another Christian if they leave a door opened for Satan to enter in.

Yes, Satan reacting to Gods moves. Trying trying and a step behind lol. Satan probably didn't even realize that when Christ died...that he would lose to God. All of that running around trying to kill Christ and he was playing right into it. Back to topic though, I think this is so. When Jesus walks into the room, iniquity will manifest.

 

[agua.]

Anger in an unbeliever? Hmmm.

Let me see here. In Scripture, it usually goes like this. Jesus's presence...evil manifests...Jesus casts out the demon or wotnot...then says go and sin no more. (or similar). So a cleansing took place, (except for the Pharisees which I think were full blown satanists and out to kill Him to stop the redemption) . Could we call this a re-newing of sorts?!

Imagine a half cup of water with a dash of oil in it (we'll say the oil represents the iniquity or evil in a man.) Jesus comes and His presence is penetrating, starts filling the cup. The oil rises to the top. Pretty soon , that cup runneth over brother! The evil is overflowed and runneth out, praise the Lord!

I don't know if that's a good analogy. But even believers have iniquity within them while in the flesh.

The only possible caveat to this i think is the 900 places in scripture (lol) where it says that the Lord is with us always and so forth. I believe this of course but I just think that in my fleshy lack of understanding of the spiritual realm...it's different. Of course the Lord is with us, but is it the same being with us in Spirit, and...when Jesus walks into the room?! Somehow, in a way that I do not understand, I think it is different.

Yeah true Ed. Jesus does purge us.

 

[for_his_glory]

Satan says, OK, that Jesus is still alive and out of my reach so I will destroy His people. God said, do not touch mine anointed. now he is angry my time is short

 

[Edward]

Yeah true Ed. Jesus does purge us.

That's a good way to say it. I wonder how many times His people (Perhaps even me or you at some time) Have had this occur because of the presence of the Lord...and we didn't realize it? Too busy reacting to whatever it was that surfaced in us, than to look for the Lord...

ohhh, that would be embarrassing to find out later that the Lord had come to visit us...and we did not see Him for we were not looking for Him and was preoccupied.

 

[Edward]

for_his_glory, I tried to like your post 4 times, but the dang thing just kept like/unlike/like/unliking, lol.

 

[for_his_glory]

sometimes ya just need a little humor, LOL

 

[Edward]

WOW! I found a video testimony of a man who this exact thing happened to, and he speaks of the exact topic of this thread in! Oh, this is good brothers and sisters, have a look, it's short.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

WOW! I found a video testimony of a man who this exact thing happened to, and he speaks of the exact topic of this thread in! Oh, this is good brothers and sisters, have a look, it's short.
.....

"stonings"(like the example of Stephen, though there have been many others also; (i.e. and physical pain and suffering) is "nothing" as Paul the emissary of Yeshua plainly said, compared to the inexpressible JOY UNSPEAKABLE ---

but Paul and Silas did not know -just as the 3 men tossed in the fire that killed them that threw them in didn't know they would not be burnt to a crisp likewise - ,
that they would have a 'visitation' .
They, like others in ACTS, were continually FULL OF JOY AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ("HOLY" is an adjective here,btw)
In good times and in bad. In beatings and persecutions(promised to them by Yeshua),
in suffering and hunger and hard times as well as good times. They learned the Truth of God's sufficiency and provision of Joy and Peace and Righteousness, and they lived HOLY LIVES --- not everyone(note the corinthians), but those written of in Scripture who fully followed the Lord Jesus without turning back to the fleshly / carnal way of life.
We as believers in Christ Jesus can expect, as His Word says repeatedly and suredly, physical pain, discomfort (extreme at times), homelessness, persecution, tribulation, mockings, scourgings, and eventually also martyrings (kind of like the 'class ring' for the 144,000 !!! ) .

when a disciple full of Yhwh's Life overflowing (Rivers of Living Water flowing out of their innermost being - God's Promise and seen in their lives then, and today in few)
walked into a room - they brought Jesus with them in themselves, their lives, their testimonies, and Jesus Own Faithfulness.
or perhaps you could say 'Jesus' went before them to prepare the way.(as it is written somewhere else).

They walked continually, when they walked 'right', in Union with ABBA! and in Yeshua - and all that was sin or unhelpful even , had already been dealt with by and in God's Grace.
They walked and lived IN UNION with the other believer's who lived right in Christ Jesus. (look up "union" where it occurs all through Scripture --- it is very encouraging to the living and to those seeking God).

Oh, there were the sometimes , or occasional, or even frequent, ups and downs of life - but nothing that could take away the Righteousness, the Peace, and the Joy that God Gives, unless unwittingly or not, they carried sin or idols in their lives(as many do today) instead of repenting.