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Who Me said:
I don't have the sea, I admit to being suspicious of them and there theology for the reasons I gave.

If you haven't heard of Jonathan Edwards one of America's greatest preacher then shame on you for neglecting your education, both of American as well as Christian history.

While your about it read up on George Whitfield, another book about early great American ministers is Five pioneer missionaries.
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My friend your organization of George whitfield, your church. How many schools and hospitals and health centers they have worldwide?
If God has blessed this SDA Organization so big, why you hate them. We love you maybe you don't know if it is in their hospital you should find Jesus. Begin to love your enemies.
 
Pipiripi said:
You are wrong about the blood transfusion, because you don't know the roots of this church believe. In the time of Jesus was there blood transfusions? Sorry that we can answer all questions BIBLICAL. I have given you a home work, which book is must sell in the world? Ellen G White, or Jonathon Edwards?
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I’m really not interested in reading either author.
Are you saying blood transfusions are bad because they were not performed in the days of Jesus when He walked the earth?
 
Pipiripi said:
If something is wrong proof it with the truth BIBLICAL.
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Simple - Acts 15:28,29. Y'all can gather whenever you please, it's totally unimportant. And if you want to think you're the "Church of the Bible", fine. The Catholics (among many others) will arm wrestle you for that title, of course.
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Simple - Acts 15:28,29. Y'all can gather whenever you please, it's totally unimportant. And if you want to think you're the "Church of the Bible", fine. The Catholics (among many others) will arm wrestle you for that title, of course.
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I think that you can't learn anymore. My battle is this one: Ephesians 6:10-18. The picture that I see is he your grandfather? You writings are just like a 8 years boy!!
 
stovebolts said:
I’m really not interested in reading either author.
Are you saying blood transfusions are bad because they were not performed in the days of Jesus when He walked the earth?
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I have ask a question, my questions are just like I ask. I don't twist. And my answer are the same BIBLICAL.
 
Pipiripi said:
I have ask a question my friend. Read the question again.
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You asked if there was blood transfusions in the first century church. The answer is no.

Thats a pretty lame reason to build a doctrine on... By that same standard, you commit sin every time you gather to worship using musical instruments. Can you show me where the church uses musical instruments?

moving back to blood transfusions, do you not know that blood transfusions are used to save a life? If we are in the position to save a life, it is a sin to sit idly by and allow another to suffer?

Jesus tells a story to those that accuse Him of sinning by healing on the Sabbath. He uses an example of an ox stuck in a ditch. Why would you help your neighbors ox, but would refuse to help your neighbor? What is more important. An ox or a person?
 
stovebolts said:
I think many are against the Adventist’s because of their extreme views on certain matters, like blood transfusions.
As far as being the church of the Bible, many can say that.
Jacob had 12 sons. No two sons were alike. Each tribe except one was given a specific territory. The tribe not granted any territory was to minister the word of God to all the territories.

you see, unity is not uniformity. Each tribe was very different than the next and based on that, the ministers could taylor Gods commands for that tribe which may not apply in that same specific manner to another tribe. However, the bond of brotherhood and a Gods word Kept them United.

In this same way Paul United the gentiles. Each church was very different than the next, but the common bond of brotherhood and the gospel kept them United.
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Jesus says that there is two groups of people, Matthew 25:31-46.
And John 10:14-15.
There is two ways. This kind of people is the one at His Right hand: Revelation 12:17
Revelation 14:12
The Bible has spoken!
 
stovebolts said:
You asked if there was blood transfusions in the first century church. The answer is no.

Thats a pretty lame reason to build a doctrine on... By that same standard, you commit sin every time you gather to worship using musical instruments. Can you show me where the church uses musical instruments?

moving back to blood transfusions, do you not know that blood transfusions are used to save a life? If we are in the position to save a life, it is a sin to sit idly by and allow another to suffer?

Jesus tells a story to those that accuse Him of sinning by healing on the Sabbath. He uses an example of an ox stuck in a ditch. Why would you help your neighbors ox, but would refuse to help your neighbor? What is more important. An ox or a person?
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But it isn't me that have begin to speak about blood transfusion. I am a SDA believer I know better.

About instruments, don't you see what the power of an instrument have? Do you remember that David has to play instrument for King Soul?
I never build any doctrine, because all that I have is BIBLICAL. If I write the truth BIBLICAL about anything specially the meaning of the symbolic language of Daniel and Revelation, you surely will delete it. Why because it is against the way that you believe in God. Example:
The whore riding a beast, the horns,
Babylon, the mark of the beast and many more. The truth about the false Trinity doctrine. Maybe you will banner me just like all the others forums that I have pass through. Because that I can prove BIBLICAL that their teaching is half truth and half wrong, and they know that I'm right, the only thing to do is banner me.
 
Hopeful said:
It isn't "my" teaching, it is the teaching of an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Tim 2:11-14)
If that isn't enough for you, I don't know what would be.
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Don't take only one verses of the Bible and believe like the way that you are believing. Their culture is not our culture. God has spoken with many women and they have teached their children at home, because it is their culture. In the life that we live today, how many divorces are? How many single mother are in this world? If they can teach at home, they can teach in school and also in the church. What about you? Are you preaching the gospel?
 
Pipiripi said:
But it isn't me that have begin to speak about blood transfusion. I am a SDA believer I know better.

About instruments, don't you see what the power of an instrument have? Do you remember that David has to play instrument for King Soul?
I never build any doctrine, because all that I have is BIBLICAL. If I write the truth BIBLICAL about anything specially the meaning of the symbolic language of Daniel and Revelation, you surely will delete it. Why because it is against the way that you believe in God. Example:
The whore riding a beast, the horns,
Babylon, the mark of the beast and many more. The truth about the false Trinity doctrine. Maybe you will banner me just like all the others forums that I have pass through. Because that I can prove BIBLICAL that their teaching is half truth and half wrong, and they know that I'm right, the only thing to do is banner me.
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Ha, we’re not big on banning people for believing differently than we. What will get members banned is creating strife or belittling people.
One big thing you need to understand about our site is this. We all have a biblical view and hold deep convictions. Personally, I believe it is sinful to let another die when we can save their life. I think is more sinful to teach sinful behavior to others and call it Gods will. Yes, I am talking about blood transfusion.
That does not make me a goat as you have insinuated above.
 
stovebolts said:
Ha, we’re not big on banning people for believing differently than we. What will get members banned is creating strife or belittling people.
One big thing you need to understand about our site is this. We all have a biblical view and hold deep convictions. Personally, I believe it is sinful to let another die when we can save their life. I think is more sinful to teach sinful behavior to others and call it Gods will. Yes, I am talking about blood transfusion.
That does not make me a goat as you have insinuated above.
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I didn't insinuated nothing. I just ask a question. And if in the Bible was never written about blood transfusions, it doesn't mean that i must give my blood for saving people life. They need the blood of Jesus, and die in Jesus. It is an open choice. Do you eat blood?
 
Pipiripi said:
I didn't insinuated nothing. I just ask a question. And if in the Bible was never written about blood transfusions, it doesn't mean that i must give my blood for saving people life. They need the blood of Jesus, and die in Jesus. It is an open choice. Do you eat blood?
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Please be mindful of the questions you ask and thank you for clarifying.
Jesus said, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not enter the kingdom of God. Kinda goes against Gods commandment not to eat blood doesn’t it?

Is it better to save a life, or loose a life?
 
stovebolts said:
Please be mindful of the questions you ask and thank you for clarifying.
Jesus said, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not enter the kingdom of God. Kinda goes against Gods commandment not to eat blood doesn’t it?

Is it better to save a life, or loose a life?
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Save life is always better.
What about obedience or sacrifice?
Do you remember King Soul and prophet Samuel? Do you see which one is better?
 
Pipiripi said:
Save life is always better.
What about obedience or sacrifice?
Do you remember King Soul and prophet Samuel? Do you see which one is better?
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I'm glad you agree saving a life is better. God desires mercy, not sacrifice. The sacrifice was was intended to teach mercy and to draw the worshippers near to God. Obedience is good, but we've got to grow beyond be nd obedience to a state of deep understanding.

As far as King Saul, he did not listen to the prophet Samuel and offered sacrifice when he was told not to. If I remember, he also took part of the plunder and did not put all under the sword as commanded. As a result, the kingdom was torn from him, yet David regarded King Saul highly as God's annointed and David even mourned deeply at his death. David even allowed Saul's relative Shemia to curse him when he was forced out of Jursalem and later protected him.
 
stovebolts said:
I'm glad you agree saving a life is better. God desires mercy, not sacrifice. The sacrifice was was intended to teach mercy and to draw the worshippers near to God. Obedience is good, but we've got to grow beyond be nd obedience to a state of deep understanding.

As far as King Saul, he did not listen to the prophet Samuel and offered sacrifice when he was told not to. If I remember, he also took part of the plunder and did not put all under the sword as commanded. As a result, the kingdom was torn from him, yet David regarded King Saul highly as God's annointed and David even mourned deeply at his death. David even allowed Saul's relative Shemia to curse him when he was forced out of Jursalem and later protected him.
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Today is the same, God want us to obedience Him by keeping His Commandments and have the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 12:17 and 14:12
 
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