Superiority: Atheists trumping Christians

[Good News Bob]

Well I was raised an Atheist, though my parents were raised Catholic.

They quit faith because they were proud. It really was a thing of arrogance. Supposedly science disproved Christianity in Bertrand Russell's backwards reality, and the Renaissance seems to slip a lot of the 'intellectual elite's' minds these days.

My parents were not the snobby atheists, be that they were snobbish. They didn't really tell me a thing about faith growing up, but at at school some Christians told me I was going to hell if I didn't believe in God, and some atheist kids were adamantly anti-religion which I didn't entirely get.

I was pretty naive. So I read a lot of books. Wrote a lot.

My 8th grade science teacher was a lunatic atheist... thought there was a war he was engaged in between Christianity and 8th grade science classes. My parents didn't much care for that guy, though they met on several occasions.

No, my parents were just plain ol' heathen. Brewing business kept them tipsy most days of the week. My conversion as of late has had a noticeable impact on their behavior, but there is much more to the story, but I hope they do not deny my faith and I for much longer.

Truth has a sharp bite these days.

I don't really know what I was getting at, but I thought I'd share my views for the thread.

 

[wavy]

I think many atheists think Christians are simply foolish.

1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

I think some Christians are foolish because some Christians are some people, and some people -- atheist, Muslim, Christian, Wiccan, Satanist, Jew,, deist, Buddhist, etc. all alike -- are just foolish. :D


Finis,
Eric

 

[TaemJ]

I'm not an atheist.. but every time I read a Christian forum or go to Church.. I have this overwhelming need to get away from all the hard headed bigots who love to play bingo, listen to stolen country pop songs replaced with "I love Jesus" lyrics, and call everything from the Beatles to heavy metal bands pure evil. They tell you that every piece of new technology is a sign of the Lord coming.. and we shouldn't use the technology because it is evil. Then they break down and decide to use the COMPUTER they insulted so much, then later they breakdown and use the INTERNET. Meanwhile they bicker amongst each other because they can't figure out what the correct translation of their bible is.

And when I think of Christians.. I picture a homosexual threatening to jump off a building because he can't stop being homosexual and everyone hates him for it.. and this Christian trying to talk him off the building.. "Jesus loves you.. but you need to stop being homosexual or you'll go to hell." At least Christians aren't allowed to beat people, right? Or does the bible say you can stone homosexuals? I don't know.. it's so old.. it probably did at some point.

 

[jasoncran]

calling homosexual sin isnt hate, if it is then close the bible, cause guess what no man cant stopping sinning all together be perfect and acceptable to the lord.

i used to be gay and i agree some christians do come across mean and hateful when talking to the lbgt, but that doesnt change what the lord says.

if we were born a drunk, and it does have a gene factor to it,should we then tell the drunk it's ok you were born that way and cant help, no! one can go to aa and still bust hell wide open if there's no repentance ,and the acceptance of the Lord.

jason

 

[TaemJ]

calling homosexual sin isnt hate, if it is then close the bible, cause guess what no man cant stopping sinning all together be perfect and acceptable to the lord.

i used to be gay and i agree some christians do come across mean and hateful when talking to the lbgt, but that doesnt change what the lord says.

if we were born a drunk, and it does have a gene factor to it,should we then tell the drunk it's ok you were born that way and cant help, no! one can go to aa and still bust hell wide open if there's no repentance ,and the acceptance of the Lord.

jason

Ah, I see your point.

So when blacks were born black in 1776.. and some Christians decided it was okay to have slaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_slavery)...

 

[jasoncran]

geesh the bible never calls a race sin, men in hate pervertaded verses, not the holy spirit insprired writers. they bible never calls be being black sin, show me that verse.

if your pro-gay rights come out a say it. no need to dance around the bush, you aint the first..
wont be the last.

jason

 

[TaemJ]

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

Does that mean you're allowed to kill homosexuals?

 

[jasoncran]

the ot law in that manner was done away with,see the reserecction of christ, and what he told john and james about calling fire on a village that refused the words of jesus..

jason

 

[TaemJ]

geesh the bible never calls a race sin, men in hate pervertaded verses, not the holy spirit insprired writers. they bible never calls be being black sin, show me that verse.

if your pro-gay rights come out a say it. no need to dance around the bush, you aint the first..
wont be the last.

jason

One of the favorite passages of slave-owning Christians was St. Paul's infamous instruction that slaves to obey their owners in the same way that they obey Christ:
bullet Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

I'm no pro with the bible. Who wrote Ephesians? Don't say God. What MAN wrote it? Thank god St Paul believed there was no evil in having slaves.. right?

Anyways, my point was.. I see most Christians as wanting to see a homosexual jump to his death.. rather than live his life happily being himself. For instance, I saw a post a while back on this forum where a homosexual decided he wasn't going to stay on the forums because of all the degrading comments he received. He clearly said he didn't want people posting stuff like "I still don't approve of your lifestyle.." but they still did it. It's like they didn't care that they were making him feel bad. Like they wouldn't care if a homosexual was about to jump off a roof while they were saying "Don't jump! Your living your life full of a sin! But don't jump!!"

I'm not pro-gay. I'm anti-bigot.

But I'm glad no one listens to the old testament anymore, right?

 

[jasoncran]

then reconcile that verse with timothy, one cant cherry pick the bible. if we do. throw away the bible and preach the feel good jesus..
the book of philemon dealth with slavery,and the slave was freed according to tradition.. on that verse most churches see that as mainly as being in subject to a boss..

did christian have slaves then probably. but that is another topic.. look up breakpoint.org and search that site on the early abolistionst and you may find something interesting.

 

[JoJo]

Anyways, my point was.. I see most Christians as wanting to see a homosexual jump to his death..

Stereotype is a restrictive trap. It keeps you from getting to know people, from seeing them as individuals instead of part of a collective group. Not all Christians are the same.

 

[jasoncran]

so teamj while one can be senstive to that situation of that gay person attempting suicide. should we cut the books out of the bible after they dont we meet our holy standards.. ephesians,galatians,romans.genesis.exodus.revalations(god is love, hell aint real), ezekiel,jeramiah, parts of isiah, and some of the books of (I,II)kings,samuel(I,II),and(I,II) chronoicles, and also any prophetic book that speaks evil of sin..

i used to use that excuse of the lord wants me to be happy while claiming salvation! our hearts our wicked and want that sin!

that person is still on this forum and writes alot, albeit not as much.

on slavery i'm not totally how the nt guys dealt with the issue then, some say that it went like this many believers then freed their slaves..

 

[LostSoul]

As I said before....both sides attack one another rather brutally. Neither Atheists or Christians are completely innocent.

 

[jasoncran]

As I said before....both sides attack one another rather brutally. Neither Atheists or Christians are completely innocent.

i wasnt attack teamj, personally. i will defend the word of the lord ,a difference, one can be bold yet loving and desiring to win them to the lord. have i been overlyaggressive at times yes, won't deny that.

jason

 

[LostSoul]

As I said before....both sides attack one another rather brutally. Neither Atheists or Christians are completely innocent.

i wasnt attack teamj, personally. i will defend the word of the lord ,a difference, one can be bold yet loving and desiring to win them to the lord. have i been overlyaggressive at times yes, won't deny that.

jason

I never said you were.

 

[jasoncran]

As I said before....both sides attack one another rather brutally. Neither Atheists or Christians are completely innocent.

i wasnt attack teamj, personally. i will defend the word of the lord ,a difference, one can be bold yet loving and desiring to win them to the lord. have i been overlyaggressive at times yes, won't deny that.

jason

I never said you were.

just want to be sure, glad you said that any way we were derailing this thread.
sorry

jason

 

[Sound Silence]

The non-theist group on Kiva.org links to a blog called Atheist Monkey. I noticed the most recent entry provides a graph comparing "atheist" lending with Christian lending on the website. (I place atheist in quotes because not all non-theists are atheists.) I have noticed atheists often spend time comparing themselves to Christians (e.g., morality, intelligence, etc.). This raises a curious question.

Why do (some) atheists feel the need to establish themselves as superior to Christians?

Because they're always being compared, and even though it's a logical fallacy, tons of people try to do the old "If I'm better, then my beliefs are better" sort of thing.