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Tattoos

Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Using Galatians 6:17 as proof that Leviticus 19:28 isn’t talking about all tattoos being a sin is, at best, a long stretch; and at worse there is absolutely no connection at all between them. There are several things to consider.

1. If the King James Version is correct in its translation, the issue is already dead. Galatians 6:17 says “I bear in my body…” not “on my skin.
2. If Paul was speaking metaphorically, the issue is also dead. We do know Paul was fond of using metaphors as in Eph 3:1, Eph 4:1 and Phlm 1:1. Paul calls himself a “prisoner of Christ”. We know he was at times a prisoner of Rome, but at no time did Jesus actually have Paul thrown in Jail and Jesus was the warden.
3. For this verse to work in refuting that Lev 19:28 is speaking of all tattoos, Paul must’ve had a literal tattoo of Jesus, Jesus’ name or something else identifying him as a Christian.
a. Paul was a Pharisee (Acts 23:6), and had a reputation of being more zealous than most other Pharisees (Acts 26:5, Gal 1:14). It is reasonable to believe that whatever laws the common Pharisees observed, Paul was stricter and more consistent in following them.
b. If it was ok for a Pharisee to have a tattoo as long as it wasn’t to honor the dead, nor some sort of pagan symbol, Paul would’ve went beyond what the law required, so it would be doubtful that he had one if tattoos were allowable in some form (which Lev 19:28 doesn’t say).
c. Looking at it logically, having some sort of a tattoo that marked him as a Christian would’ve been dangerous. Paul was not ashamed to name the name of Christ, but having a tattoo of Christ would’ve allowed no cover whatsoever. He would not have had the opportunity to be all things to all men.
d. It is very doubtful for these reasons Paul had a tattoo.
4. If Paul actually did have a tattoo, when did he get it? From the context of Gal 6:17, it would have been after his conversion. The reason is simple: the verse says, “the marks of Lord Jesus.” Therefore, when he became a Christian, his calling and main focus was GRACE THROUGH FAITH. This is a sticking point for the argument because Paul would not have viewed the Law binding anymore. He said he was freed from the Law. Thus, Leviticus 19:28 no longer applied to him. Now if he had a tattoo before his conversion, then we could look at Gal 6 as evidence that not all tattoos were against the law.
5. What if Paul did actually have this tattoo? Let’s then look at the context of Galatians. This epistle is a corrective letter (and quite a scolding one) to the Galatians for allowing themselves to fall back under the law – specifically talking about circumcision. Paul makes a strong point throughout the letter that we are not under the law, and those that desire to put them back under the law were wanting to “glory in their flesh”.

With that in mind, after telling the Galatian “babes” in Christ that they shouldn’t mind/look at or do the things of the flesh, do you really think He’s going to end the rebuke by saying, “look don’t bother me anymore about this because I am a Christian and an Apostle and here’s my tattoo of Jesus to prove it!”? My point is what would a Jesus tattoo prove to a bunch of young Christians whom Paul just told not to glory in the flesh? It would’ve been hypocritical. That may work for Justin Beiber, but it’s ridiculous that Paul would’ve done that.

Personally, for me I can’t get past the first point. The Bible says what it says and the two verses are worlds apart. However, the other four points make the argument that Galatians 6:17 prove that Leviticus 19:28 isn’t talking about all tattoos, just ones for the dead, an extremely far stretch. It’s dependent on Paul actually having a tattoo and him using it to justify him being a Christian and an apostle.

In short, Galatians 6:17 has nothing to do and is not support tattoos. Grace through faith alone IS, though.... But there stil is no evidence. Lev 19:28 says "no tattoos". That's the bottom line. Again, grace allows it though.

S:

Forgive me if I can't fully grasp in one reading all you're saying; some of it seems a little obscure; maybe it's because I'm not fully awake, or something.

I think you do have a very good point about Paul's saying not to glory in the flesh.

This is very important.

The emphasis should always be on the inward and spiritual. The outward doesn't help to transform the inward, either. Rather, it's the inward that comes first.

So, yes, you have a very important point there, and I can see how some people would argue that tattoos, are, at the least, unnecessary, as an extrapolation of this idea.

What I would also suggest is that some people don't particularly get tattoos that are faith related because they supposedly will increase their spirituality or supposedly bring them nearer to God; this state of affairs would clearly be superstitious.

Rather, there is an undoubtedly a pragmatism involved in perceiving that a faith related tattoo can lead to many witness opportunities in conversations.

This, in fact, may be a motivating force for some Christians who get faith based tattoo designs.

For them, it is a pragmatism which can be sanctified, in their conviction.

For you, such a sanctified pragmatism, as applied to this kind of witness tool, would not appeal to you or motivate you.

Well, this is fair enough.
 
Some people will say we are destroying God's temple, but I'd like to see the proof that tattoos as a whole add significant destruction to a person's body.

Igloo:

I would be very serious about being careful with the body and about respecting God's temple.

Having said this, I'm not sure that a tasteful, faith based tattoo — particularly when acquired for witness purposes — may be said to 'destroy' the body. Seems to involve a stretching of language (although maybe all of us sometimes do this, wittingly or unwittingly from time to time; or maybe some of those who are strongly against them feel the need to find as much justification for their position; I don't know.)

Keeping a balanced attitude in so many areas isn't easy, sometimes.
 
S:



For you, such a sanctified pragmatism, as applied to this kind of witness tool, would not appeal to you or motivate you.

Well, this is fair enough.

I really hadn't thought of it either way... My tattoo isn't faith related. I suppose if a someone sees a Christian has a tattoo (faith related or not) it can serve as a witness that a Christian can do things of the world and still be strong in the faith. There is a thought process out there that Christians are not to do the "things of the world". The Bible doesn't say that. It simply says don't love the things of the world.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some translation where the word 'tattooed' was used in place of 'written' -- or perhaps 'written' was used in place of 'tattooed'. It's always a very difficult subject to try to find the exact intended meaning for Scripture after so many translations have been made.

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Feldew:

FYI, in Isaiah 49.16, the Lord is quoted saying, in the King James: 'I have graven thee on the palms of my hands'; the Amplified version says: 'I have tattooed ...(etc.)'

To add some background, the Amplified is specifically a paraphrased version. Also, it would be hard to extrapolate from the Isaiah passage: this means, go get a tattoo!

But the rendering is interesting, though.
 
I really hadn't thought of it either way... My tattoo isn't faith related. I suppose if a someone sees a Christian has a tattoo (faith related or not) it can serve as a witness that a Christian can do things of the world and still be strong in the faith. There is a thought process out there that Christians are not to do the "things of the world". The Bible doesn't say that. It simply says don't love the things of the world.

Slider:

Maybe your perspective would differ slightly if, in fact, for the sake of argument, at least, your tattoo had indeed been faith related in design?

Or maybe this is somewhat too hypothetical.
 
Re: Tattoos: thread run its course?

Maybe the thread has now run its course? time for someone to lock it?
 
Yea... Maybe it is time to lock it. I'm just sad that I don't think my message got out.... God doesn't look at the flesh. So he ain't going to look what's on the flesh. Tat's are ok. They have nothing to do with the glory of God. Maybe a religious tattoo will spur a conversation, and if so praise God!
 
Yea... Maybe it is time to lock it. I'm just sad that I don't think my message got out.... God doesn't look at the flesh. So he ain't going to look what's on the flesh. Tat's are ok. They have nothing to do with the glory of God. Maybe a religious tattoo will spur a conversation, and if so praise God!

Slider:

Yes, well, you see for some Christians this is entirely the motivation.

I know a while back I saw a young guy who had had the entire verse John 3.16 tattooed on his arm: must have been painful, all those words, but he must have had some strong motivation. I said to him what a good verse this is; and he must have had already various others speak with him about it as well.

So this is why they are regarded as significant witness tools.
 
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