Tax payers pay for sex change

[Lewis]

Judge orders sex change for Mass. murder convict



BOSTON (AP) — A federal judge on Tuesday ordered state prison officials to provide a taxpayer-funded sex-reassignment surgery to a transgender inmate serving life in prison for murder.
U.S. District Judge Mark Wolf ruled in the case of Michelle Kosilek, who was born as a man but has received hormone treatments and lives as a woman in an all-male prison. Robert Kosilek was convicted of murder in the killing of his wife in 1990.
Judge Apologizes To Inmate Seeking Sex Change

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Wolf is believed to be the first federal judge to order prison officials to provide the surgery for a transgender inmate.
Kosilek first sued the Massachusetts Department of Correction 12 years ago. Two years later, Wolf ruled that Kosilek was entitled to treatment for gender-identity disorder, but stopped short of ordering surgery. Kosilek sued again in 2005, arguing that the surgery is a medical necessity.
In his ruling Tuesday, Wolf found that surgery is the "only adequate treatment" for Kosilek's "serious medical need."
"The court finds that there is no less intrusive means to correct the prolonged violation of Kosilek's Eighth Amendment right to adequate medical care," Wolf wrote in his 126-page ruling.
Prison officials have repeatedly cited security risks in the case, saying that allowing her to have the surgery would make her a target for sexual assaults by other inmates.
But Wolf found that the DOC's security concerns are "either pretextual or can be dealt with by the DOC." He said it is up to prison officials to decide how and where to house Kosilek after the surgery.

 

[reba]

And Medicare does not pay for glasses or dentures.... I am from the government and am here to help you....

 

[joethemechanic]

Great, now youtube is suggesting crossdresser videos for me

 

[Mike S]

Making sure that Democrats stay ahead of the curve on these cutting edge social issues, speaker Sandra Fluke calls for mandatory insurance coverage of sex change operations, as well as contraceptives.


There is something pathetic about a political party that has as one of it's featured speakers a 30 year old woman who's still in school and wants me to pay for her condoms, and who wants taxpayers to underwrite the cost of confused souls who think rearranging their body parts is a good idea.

Could this possibly still be the party of Harry Truman and Scoop Jackson?

 

[AlexBC]

Having insurance cover the cost of surgery for sex change operations is a great idea. Fully behind this.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I question sex changes in general. Then again...from what I understand, the secular option to sex changes don't seem to work. Then again...much of secular psychiatry and psychology seem to fail miserably. Ever look at our suicide rates? Yeah...largely unaffected by the billion$ spent on self-help, therapy, and meds.

I also think this cheapens the concept of "human rights." How about some other human rights, like the rights of "mentally ill" people to avoid involuntary treatment? How about...the rights of the unborn? Why are some "liberals" insisting that a tax-payer funded operation to create a pseudo-woman out of a male murderer is somehow advancing the greater good? I don't get it.

 

[reba]

CE

Back in the olden days we had friends..... friends who didn't charge a fee. Cept a cup of coffee and some times dinner....

 

[AlexBC]

I don't see why you'd have to question this kind of operation.

It's really no different than any other corrective surgery. It's a shame to have to go through it but it's great that we have the technology to correct nature's mistakes.

 

[Christ_empowered]

reba---you're right on, as per usual. Part of what helped me "recover from mental illness" was realizing that real people--people you see on a regular basis but don't have to pay, except in favors and kindness--are a lot more helpful than pompous "professionals," particularly the ones w/ an Rx pad.

Alex--I personally am morally uncomfortable with sex changes except in cases where its necessary to help ease the person into one sex or the other. I don't think that a man or a woman w/o physical abnormalities should undergo hormone treatments and all sorts of surgeries and psychotherapy to become a pseudo-member of the other sex. I think there must be better ways to handle that situation besides subjecting a confused, distressed man or woman to all sorts of essentially elective procedures and treatments.

 

[AlexBC]

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[Atothetheist]

I think this is a step in the right direction.

Sex-changes can be a controversial thing, but I am behind it if it is something the person really wants to do.

 

[Atothetheist]

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I just thought(assumed) that she had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what it means to have a gender crisis, or what its like to feel like a women in a mans body, or vice versa.

And apearently back then, friends knew how to deal with these types of situations, and these friends GAVE EXACTLY the right advice to these people.....

Seems like a legit statment to me.

I am kidding, of course.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I realize that this part of the forum allows for non-Christians to participate, and that's great, but please realize: you're on our turf. Lots of Christians have "issues" with sex change operations. Many Christians think secular "mental health" tends to steer people down the wrong path. I think that, at the very least, you should express yourself with less hostility and a greater understanding of the nature of the forum in which you are posting. Just a suggestion.

 

[AlexBC]

I realize that this part of the forum allows for non-Christians to participate, and that's great, but please realize: you're on our turf. Lots of Christians have "issues" with sex change operations. Many Christians think secular "mental health" tends to steer people down the wrong path. I think that, at the very least, you should express yourself with less hostility and a greater understanding of the nature of the forum in which you are posting. Just a suggestion.

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[reba]

CE that cup of coffee reply was totally directed to you, by name even, I am pleased you understood it... :yes

You are an inspiration !

 

[Atothetheist]

I realize that this part of the forum allows for non-Christians to participate, and that's great, but please realize: you're on our turf. Lots of Christians have "issues" with sex change operations. Many Christians think secular "mental health" tends to steer people down the wrong path. I think that, at the very least, you should express yourself with less hostility and a greater understanding of the nature of the forum in which you are posting. Just a suggestion.

We know you guys have a problem with it, but just because you do, doesn't mean we should lie, and say we do as well.

We have an understanding about this forum, but I was not the one being hostile here.

 

[AirDancer]

It isn't just Christians who have a problem with tax payers paying for sex changes. Many non-Christians are having serious problems with this matter as well.

The man has been convicted of murdering his wife. He's in prison, where the tax payers are picking up the cost of his life already. Now tax payers will be contributing even more to his expenses.

Further, the penal system will have to decide where this man will be housed after the change is complete.

Frankly, there has to be a time when the decision is made that enough is enough.

 

[abide]

I think this is a step in the right direction.

Sex-changes can be a controversial thing, but I am behind it if it is something the person really wants to do.

Nothing but madness.

 

[abide]

I think this is a step in the right direction.

Sex-changes can be a controversial thing, but I am behind it if it is something the person really wants to do.

Not only is it controversial, but its is STUPID. A person who has had this kind of surgery LOOKS like the sex they want, but there is more to being a man or woman than just having a sexual organ. _( gay men have male sex organs but it is not used for the purpose that it was intended.[/COLOR] Most transgendered people say they felt different from the time they were children. They continue to focus on this need to be some other sex which to me is crazy. I sense that this kind of surgery is just an outward show. If a man is a man he is a man and that goes for a woman. It is like a man wearing a dress, does that make him a woman..nope. It is madness.
How can a transgennder perform sexually. Having a male organ turned into a female organ is nothing more than a flesh sex toy...it does not work like the real thing that God made.. Remember that sex is more than two sexual organs meeting. I am sure if men who have married transgenered men (turned women they will say that something aint right:yes I have seen youtube videos of these operations and believe me, the sex change is so real... if you did not know yo u would believe they were born with it. BUT there must be a difference, since man CANNOT recreate what God has made.

If I were a gambler I would bet that no transgender person can have a real orgasm. can't work...Yet they want to be some other sex for what reason for a show piece.

 

[Mike S]

Most of the time you hear these people say ..FROM THE TIME I WA A LITTLE BOY OR GIRL I felt different. They continue to focus on this need to be some other sex which to me is crazy.

I have compassion for people who are so conflicted about their sexuality. But I'm suspicious about just how effective sex change operations are for helping those people resolve their conflict.

My experience with friends who have been unhappy all their lives, and in their 20s or 30s have admitted that they're gay, is that it most of the time changes little in their self image. When they admit they're gay, they seem almost euphoric, and imagine that life will suddenly make sense and they'll be happy. Only to find out that gay men and women can be just as unpleasant and hurtful and straight men and women, and they're still unhappy, sometime even more so. Their problem really wasn't their sexuality, it was not having a relationship with God. I suspect it's the same with people who want sex change operations. It would be interesting to know how many are actually better adjusted and at peace with themselves after the operation.