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Temple in Jerusalem?

What is your take on a rebuilt temple?

  • A rebuilt temple is a good thing - a blessing to modern Jews, and we as Christians should support it

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Temple in Jerusalem?

Hi everyone. I’m just doing a survey of what us Christians think about a rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. As you know, a lot of Christians are very interested in reports coming out of Israel concerning plans to build the temple on the old site where it was destroyed years ago.

How do you and your Christian friends see this? Please vote even if you are not interested in end time stuff because I want to get an impartial idea of what the majority of Christians think.

Cyberseeker
 
I think the Temple will be rebuilt and that it is part of Prophecy in Scripture and an important part.
 
Jesus is our Temple; He was crucified and rose from the dead, just as He said in John 2:19-21.

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
 
vic C. said:
Jesus is our Temple; He was crucified and rose from the dead, just as He said in John 2:19-21.

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
The purpose of the temple was that through it, God may commune with man.
Today, a temple is not necessary because the Holy Spirit is in us; we are temples of the Holy Spirit, and God communes with us directly. No need for priests any more to act as intermediaries. No need for ritualism any more because we now have a relationship. Direct, personal, and intimate. Closer even than the relationship that Adam had in the garden. "Christ, the hope of glory, is in us!!!!"

Nor does prophecy require it. There is nowhere in scripture that says a 3rd temple is either necessary or likely. Nor is there any intimation anywhere that sacrifices are to be resumed. If they are, and the temple rebuilt, it will be a blasphemy and insult to all that Christ accomplished.
The entire end-time scenario that is built on the 3rd temple premise, is founded on just one mis-applied misunderstood scripture. The entire "Left behind" series would fall on it's collective ear if the scriptures were correctly understood with regards to this matter.
 
brakelite2 said:
vic C. said:
Jesus is our Temple; He was crucified and rose from the dead, just as He said in John 2:19-21.

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
The purpose of the temple was that through it, God may commune with man.
Today, a temple is not necessary because the Holy Spirit is in us; we are temples of the Holy Spirit, and God communes with us directly. No need for priests any more to act as intermediaries. No need for ritualism any more because we now have a relationship. Direct, personal, and intimate. Closer even than the relationship that Adam had in the garden. "Christ, the hope of glory, is in us!!!!"

Nor does prophecy require it. There is nowhere in scripture that says a 3rd temple is either necessary or likely. Nor is there any intimation anywhere that sacrifices are to be resumed. If they are, and the temple rebuilt, it will be a blasphemy and insult to all that Christ accomplished.
The entire end-time scenario that is built on the 3rd temple premise, is founded on just one mis-applied misunderstood scripture. The entire "Left behind" series would fall on it's collective ear if the scriptures were correctly understood with regards to this matter.

Hi Brakelite2~

May I ask what scripture you are refering to, and just how is it mis-applied as you say? I have always thought it was an odd theology that supports our Lord as a precider over these sacrificial rites after He became the once-for-all sacrifice for all men in every age. As a fact, when I taught on Revelation, I skipped this portion because it seemed untied to what I know of Christ's work of redemption, I figured~~~ who am I to know the mind of God in every age? The Revelation does detail it, in a rebuilt temple, how do we get around this clear scripture?

I did not vote, after reading thru the posts the issue seems a bit clouded now. Thanks for any clarification.

May our Father bless you~ bonnie
 
sheshisown said:
I did not vote, after reading thru the posts the issue seems a bit clouded now. Thanks for any clarification.

The issue is indeed clouded. That is why the questions are worded the way they are - to make us think.

Personally I believe that the temple will be rebuilt, but is it a good thing for modern day Jews? Or should we be telling them to avoid it like the plague?

Cyber
 
I don't know how I would approach a Jewish believer bent on rebuilding the Temple. They are wanting a restored Temple for the coming of Messiah and a return of old. We however, understand the spiritual nature of the Temple, how and why our scripture tell us "we" are the temple of God. We understand the forshadows of all of the holy days and how thay wer/will be fulfilled.
 
It can't be rebuilt without starting a holy war. Currently situated on the grounds of the last temple is the Dome of the Rock, which is the third holiest of all Muslim temples. This revered temple of Islam would need to be demolished to rebuild at Temple Mount. I believe that was not by accident - I believe it was further work permitted by the Lord to prevent the Jews from rebuilding the physical temple when the Messiah has already come. Destruction of the Dome of the Rock could be something to initiate a holy war of end times.

I too am confused on the issue. I'm a "new" Christian, only coming to fully accept Christ about a year and a half ago, and although I've read almost all of the New Testament and many books of the Old, it's been a while since I've made a run through Revelation looking for anything specific about a third temple. About all we do know is that there needs to be a massive war in the holy land to begin the end times and coming reign of Christ over the Earth.

So which is it - is wanting the destruction of the Earth a good thing, so we can hasten the coming of Christ, or is it a bad thing, because it cuts down the time we have to minister the good news to all the unbelievers of the world and save them?
 
Photoshith raises an issue, even if it wasn't the intent.

It can't be rebuilt without starting a holy war. Currently situated on the grounds of the last temple is the Dome of the Rock, which is the third holiest of all Muslim temples. This revered temple of Islam would need to be demolished to rebuild at Temple Mount. I believe that was not by accident - I believe it was further work permitted by the Lord to prevent the Jews from rebuilding the physical temple when the Messiah has already come....
This points out both the theological and political issues of a new Temple. Plus a new Temple would bring about all the old Temple rules, but... when Jesus died, the Temple veil was torn in two, in effect allowing all who seek Him access to the most Holiest of places in that Temple.

I don't see God sealing off the Holy of Holies ever again, that most sacred and innermost sanctuary.
 
Hi guys~

I have something to add, because any back-slapping of Christendom that begins to sound pretty hallow in light of the grace of God.

What of the possibility that the actual location of the proposed new temple is the well of souls, near to, but no part of the Dome of the Rock? That it may be rebuilt allowing for the Dome of the Rock to exist as part of the "trampling underfoot of the gentiles", written in scripture to take place outside.

Also, who says the Lord would not allow a temple to be rebuilt for the sake of His people called out of Judism? For their understanding~ their eyes to be opened, which are now "blind in part"? that at the moment it is defiled by Antichrist~ who certainly has not yet taken on form of the Beast and neither has all economic, political, and religious orders have been put under his control (for his season) as yet.

Not that any sacrificial temple would instruct the church of gentile believers, rather unneccesary considering that Christ dwells within each believer. Praise be to His name alone for this wonder! :D

Yet what of a separate work of redemption for those who will see Him and admit they did not know Him at His first coming~ the Jews? Isn't this people group under special provision and promised covenants still, does God break His promises made in the OT? Certainly not. :smt009 Is not their remnant just as important to our Lord? :smt045

How He has suffered with all the evils of idolitry among gentiles for centuries... would He not be willing to suffer this additional evil to redeem His own Isreal? :-?

I know this does not fit neatly into some end times theologies, I am just unwilling to leave any generation of people unreached because of past generational failure, if that were God's ways I would surely be lost today. How about you? :oops: bonnie
 
In response to the query earlier, here is an explanation of the passage of scripture that is twisted by so many to fit pre-conceived 'futurist' interpretations.
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 9:(25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Verse 27 is the main issue at hand. The previous verses without any shadow of doubt all refer to Messiah. When, in verse 27 the word 'he' is mantioned, why should there be any doubt that the 'he' referred to is also Messiah?
Based on the day-year principle (which is valid), the “one week†remaining in this prophecy must refer to a period of seven years. Pro-rapture promoters claim this is the seven-year period of tribulation. Their idea is that while the first 69 weeks (or 483 years) did reach to the first coming of Jesus Christ, the prophetic clock has stopped because the Jewish people largely rejected Him. Then they slide the 70th week (the last seven years) all the way down to the end times, call it the tribulation, and say it applies to the Jewish people after we’re gone.

Rapture teachers interpret Daniel 9:27 as follows:

(1) “He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.†“He†is the antichrist who will make a covenant (or peace treaty) with the Jews during the seven years of tribulation.

(2) “In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease…†In the middle of the seven-year tribulation, the antichrist will break his covenant, turn against Israel, and stop their animal sacrifices.

(3) The phrase, “he shall cause the sacrifice…to cease†is viewed as irrefutable proof that a Jewish temple (which includes sacrifices) must be rebuilt on the Temple Mount inside Jerusalem.

Bestselling author Hal Lindsey in his The Late Great Planet Earth reflects this current view when he writes about “God’s last seven years of dealing with the Jewish people before the long awaited setting up of the kingdom of God (Daniel 9:27).†(The Late Great Planet Earth, p. 46) According to Mr. Lindsey, during those seven years “ ‘the Antichrist,’ breaks his covenant with the Jewish people and causes the Jewish temple worship, according to the Law of Moses, to cease (Daniel 9:27)…We must conclude that a third Temple will be rebuilt upon its ancient site in old Jerusalem.†(Ibid.)

Therefore, according to countless modern interpreters, Daniel 9:27 is applied to a future antichrist, a future peace treaty made with Israel, a future seven-year tribulation, and a future rebuilt Jewish temple inside Jerusalem. And all of this will supposedly start with the rapture. Honestly, that’s a lot to interpret from that single verse, especially when Daniel 9:27 says absolutely nothing about any seven-year tribulation, antichrist, or rebuilt Jewish temple!

Notice what the world-famous Bible commentary written by Matthew Henry says about Daniel 9:27: “By offering himself a sacrifice once and for all he [Jesus] shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices.â€Â(1)

The following ten points provide logical and convincing evidence that Daniel’s famous 70th week has no application to any future seven-year tribulation at all. Rather, this great prophetic period was definitely fulfilled nearly two thousand years ago.

1. The entire prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 covers a period of “seventy weeks,†or 490 years. Logic requires that “seventy weeks†refers to one consecutive block of time, in other words, to seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else!) of a stated time period starting, stopping, and then starting again. All biblical references to time are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights (see Genesis 7:4), 400 years in Egypt (see Genesis 15:13), 70 years of captivity (see Daniel 9:2), etc. In Daniel’s prophecy, the “seventy weeks†were to begin during the reign of Persia and continue to the time of the Messiah.
2. Logic also requires that the 70th week follow immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn’t, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!
3. It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week. No hint of a gap is found in the prophecy itself. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and the following sixty-two weeks, so why insert one between the 69th and 70th week?

Note: If you told your child to be in bed in 70 minutes, you obviously would mean 70 consecutive minutes. What if five hours later your fully awake son said, “But dad, I know 69 minutes have passed, but the 70th minute hasn’t started yet!� After receiving an appropriate punishment, he would be swiftly sent to bed.
4. Daniel 9:27 says nothing about a seven-year period of “tribulation,†a “rebuilt†Jewish temple, or any “antichrist.â€Â
5. The stated focus of this prophecy is the Messiah, not the antichrist. After the Messiah is “cut off†(referring to Christ’s death), the text says, “And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.†I n the past, this has been consistently applied to the destruction of Jerusalem and the second temple by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70. 11
6. “He shall confirm the covenant.†Paul said “the covenant†was “confirmed before by God in Christ†(Galatians 3:17). Jesus Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers†(Romans 15:8, emphasis added). In the King James Version, Daniel 9:27 doesn’t say “ a covenant†or peace treaty, but “ the covenant,†which applies to the New Covenant. Nowhere in the Bible does the antichrist make, confirm, or break a covenant with anyone. The word “covenant†is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not the antichrist.
7. “He shall confirm the covenant with many. †Jesus Christ said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many… †(Matthew 26:28). Behold a perfect fit! Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.
8. “In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.†After exactly three and a half years of holy ministry, Jesus Christ died on the cross, “in the midst of the week [in the middle of the seven years].†At the exact moment of His death, “the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom…†(Matthew 27:51). This act of God signified that all animal sacrifices at that moment ceased to be of value. Why? Because the Perfect Sacrifice had been offered!
9. “For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate.†“The abomination of desolation†(see Matthew 24:15) is not a simple subject, yet we know that Jesus clearly applied this event to the time when His followers were to flee from Jerusalem before the destruction of the second temple in A.D. 70. In a parallel text to Matthew 24:15, Jesus told His disciples, “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies [Roman armies led by Prince Titus], then know that its desolation is near †(Luke 21:20, emphasis added). The disciples did “see†those very events. Because of the “abominations†of the Pharisees, Jesus told them, “See! Your house is left to you desolate†(Matthew 23:38). Thus Gabriel’s statement in Daniel 9:27 about Jerusalem becoming “desolate†was perfectly fulfilled in A.D. 70.
10. Gabriel said that the 70-week prophecy specifically applied to the Jewish people (see Daniel 9:24). During the period of Christ’s public ministry of 3 1 / 2 years, the Master’s focus was largely upon “the lost sheep of the house of Israel†(Matthew 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3 1/2 years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6). After that second 3 1/2 -year period, in 34 A.D., the bold Stephen was stoned by the Jewish Sanhin (see Acts 7). This infamous deed marked the then-ruling Jewish leaders’ final, official rejection of the gospel of our Savior. Then the gospel went to the Gentiles. In Acts 9, Saul became Paul, the “apostle to the Gentiles†(Romans 11:13). In Acts 10, God gave Peter a vision revealing it was now time to preach to the Gentiles (see Acts 10:1-28). Read also Acts 13:46. Thus approximately 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion and at the end of the 70-week prophecy given f or the Jewish peopleâ€â€the gospel shifted to the Gentiles exactly as predicted in Bible prophecy.

Much of the above I copied from another website. Far be it from me to claim responsibility. :D
 
Cyberseeker said:
Temple in Jerusalem?

Hi everyone. I’m just doing a survey of what us Christians think about a rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. As you know, a lot of Christians are very interested in reports coming out of Israel concerning plans to build the temple on the old site where it was destroyed years ago.

How do you and your Christian friends see this? Please vote even if you are not interested in end time stuff because I want to get an impartial idea of what the majority of Christians think.

Cyberseeker

My two cents:

I believe the reason Judas betrayed Jesus was not out of disbelief or malice: I think Judas really believed in Jesus as the Messiah, and felt that if Jesus were forced to appear before the Sanheddrin, He would have to reveal himself, and thus Judas could hasten the establishment of Christ's Kingdom on earth. But of course, Judas was thinking like a man, not like God, and didn't understand how things were really going to unfold.

I think the same is true with this Temple business. I believe that a lot of Rapture fanatics think that by egging on and supporting the building of a Temple, that this will somehow hasten the final times and they will then finally get to be caught up (no doubt hoping that pagans like yours truly will be left behind in the process). This to me is another example of pursuing something that Christians should not have any interest in - a Jewish Temple - in order to achieve something that will never happen - a Left-Behind-style Rapture.
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Catholic Crusader said:
Cyberseeker said:
Temple in Jerusalem?

Hi everyone. I’m just doing a survey of what us Christians think about a rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. As you know, a lot of Christians are very interested in reports coming out of Israel concerning plans to build the temple on the old site where it was destroyed years ago.

How do you and your Christian friends see this? Please vote even if you are not interested in end time stuff because I want to get an impartial idea of what the majority of Christians think.

Cyberseeker

My two cents:

I believe the reason Judas betrayed Jesus was not out of disbelief or malice: I think Judas really believed in Jesus as the Messiah, and felt that if Jesus were forced to appear before the Sanheddrin, He would have to reveal himself, and thus Judas could hasten the establishment of Christ's Kingdom on earth. But of course, Judas was thinking like a man, not like God, and didn't understand how things were really going to unfold.

I think the same is true with this Temple business. I believe that a lot of Rapture fanatics think that by egging on and supporting the building of a Temple, that this will somehow hasten the final times and they will then finally get to be caught up (no doubt hoping that pagans like yours truly will be left behind in the process). This to me is another example of pursuing something that Christians should not have any interest in - a Jewish Temple - in order to achieve something that will never happen - a Left-Behind-style Rapture.
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Now that CC is something I can totally utterly and completely 100% agree with. Well said.
 
brakelite2 said:
Now that CC is something I can totally utterly and completely 100% agree with. Well said.
Who said miracles don't happen!! :)
 
:lol: Lol :lol:

If I ever see Brakelite kiss the popes foot I'll believe any other miracles you want.

(sorry mod :oops: )
 
Cyberseeker said:
:lol: Lol :lol:

If I ever see Brakelite kiss the popes foot I'll believe any other miracles you want.

(sorry mod :oops: )
:lol: Now there's a miracle straight away. For 2 days you left me speechless!!!! My normal acerbic sense of humor deserted me entirely. I guess I just can't find anything humorous about such a bizarre nightmarish event.
 
brakelite2 said:
Cyberseeker said:
:lol: Lol :lol:

If I ever see Brakelite kiss the popes foot I'll believe any other miracles you want.

(sorry mod :oops: )
:lol: Now there's a miracle straight away. For 2 days you left me speechless!!!! My normal acerbic sense of humor deserted me entirely. I guess I just can't find anything humorous about such a bizarre nightmarish event.
Heck: If you ever saw ME kiss the pope's foot it would be a miracle!
I think you meant the pope's ring. :-?
 
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