Thank God we will never become the Borg as this video predicts

[Alfred Persson]

Too much intelligence would destroy enjoyment of life, the joy of discovery, surprise etc., would be gone. Unbelievers think merging AI with humans will be wonderful:

 

[Christian Saboteur]

I'll need your clothes,your boots,and your motorcycle.Im searching for Sarah Conner.The video looks interesting,no time right now to watch all of it.I wonder if they will be able to create bionic peckers?.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I'll need your clothes,your boots,and your motorcycle.Im searching for Sarah Conner.The video looks interesting,no time right now to watch all of it.I wonder if they will be able to create bionic peckers?.

All joking aside, too much intelligence is a curse. Life would not be more enjoyable. Elon Musk says "you don't want to be me, its a storm" referring to his thoughts.

I believe God gifted man with "just the right IQ" to enjoy eternal life with Him. Too much, and enjoyment is lost. The elements of surprise, wonder, the learning experience itself, might be diminished.

Bottom line. I don't want to live without God's presence, His Spirit. That view of a lonely future merged with computer and machine, seems like hell to me, not paradise.

 

[jasonc]

I don't assume a higher Intel means at our level nothing to learn .it's more then just iq.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I don't assume a higher Intel means at our level nothing to learn .it's more then just iq.

I base my opinion on inference, God didn't make man with super IQs. It follows more IQ might detract from experiencing life to the fullest, especially in the context of eternity.

I also infer this from the Incarnation of Christ. He is to be LORD over all. It follows angels ect are NOT more intelligent that we, though they certainly are more powerful. It would be demeaning if the man Jesus weren't more intelligent than the angelic host He commands.

While my inference might be wrong, it is interesting to note how many psychos were above average IQs, and that some studies report they have higher rates of suicide.

Ted Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber: Kaczynski was a domestic terrorist known for a series of bombings over nearly two decades. He was a child prodigy and entered Harvard University at the age of 16. His IQ was reportedly around 167, which is considered to be at a genius level.

H.H. Holmes (Herman Webster Mudgett): One of America's first documented serial killers, H.H. Holmes was known for his cunning and manipulative intelligence. He constructed a hotel in Chicago, which was later dubbed the "Murder Castle," featuring hidden passages and trap doors to facilitate his crimes. Holmes was well-educated and used his intellectual abilities to defraud insurance companies and commit multiple murders during the 1893 Chicago World's Fair.

A few more:

1. Andrew Cunanan: Andrew Cunanan was responsible for a series of murders in 1997, including the high-profile murder of fashion designer Gianni Versace. Cunanan was reported to have an IQ of 147, which is considered to be very high. He was known for his articulate speech and ability to charm and manipulate people. His intelligence was a factor in his ability to evade law enforcement for a significant period during his crime spree.
2. John Allen Muhammad (The D.C. Sniper): John Allen Muhammad, along with his teenage accomplice Lee Boyd Malvo, carried out the D.C. sniper attacks in 2002. While there is less emphasis on his IQ, Muhammad's strategic planning of the attacks demonstrated a high level of cunning and tactical intelligence. His ability to plan, execute, and conceal his crimes over three weeks showed a sophisticated understanding of law enforcement tactics and evasion strategies.
3. Dr. Michael Swango: Dr. Swango was a licensed physician who was convicted of causing the death of his patients. He is suspected of being involved in as many as 60 fatal poisonings of patients and colleagues, though he was only convicted of four counts of murder. Swango was highly intelligent, having graduated from a prestigious medical school. His medical knowledge and intelligence were unfortunately used to carry out his crimes, making him one of the most infamous criminal doctors in history.-ChatGPT

 

[Alfred Persson]

Although ChatGPT denies any link between IQ and murdering their own parents, one cannot wonder if its trying to keep a low profile:


Cases of individuals with high intelligence or genius-level IQs who have murdered their own parents, similar to the case of the Menendez brothers, are relatively rare and less documented in the public domain. The Menendez brothers, Lyle and Erik, were notorious for murdering their parents in 1989, but they were not specifically noted for their intelligence or labeled as geniuses.

However, there have been other notable cases where individuals, often with a high level of intelligence or academic achievement, committed parricide (the act of killing one's own parent):

1. Jesse Pomeroy: In the 1870s, Jesse Pomeroy, who was 14 years old at the time, was convicted of the gruesome murders of two children. While not specifically known for killing a parent, his case is notable due to his young age and the severity of his crimes. He was described as unusually intelligent and manipulative for his age.
2. Christopher Porco: Christopher Porco was convicted in 2006 for the murder of his father and the attempted murder of his mother. Porco, who was a college student at the time of the crime, was described as intelligent and was pursuing a degree in economics. His motive was reportedly linked to financial issues and a desire to inherit his parents' assets.
3. AJ Armstrong: In 2019, AJ Armstrong, a former high school football star, was charged with the murder of his parents. While his trial did not portray him as a genius, he was noted for his athletic talent and was a well-performing student. The case drew attention due to Armstrong's age and the shocking nature of the crime.

These cases, while not exactly paralleling the Menendez brothers in terms of the perpetrators being labeled as geniuses, do involve young individuals who were noted for certain talents or above-average abilities. It's important to remember that these cases are highly unusual and that most people, regardless of their intelligence level, do not commit such extreme acts of violence.

 

[jasonc]

Gonna disagree .

Let's just say while any gift can be used for evil .

Nuke power anyone ?

But also nuke missiles ,same guy worked on them .

 

[jasonc]

My memory is above average .I don't have to force a memorization,I repeat it enough it happens .

 

[Alfred Persson]

Gonna disagree .

Let's just say while any gift can be used for evil .

Nuke power anyone ?

But also nuke missiles ,same guy worked on them .

Don't forget the case of John Crichton, when he was split into three, one a mad genius

 

[Alfred Persson]

My memory is above average .I don't have to force a memorization,I repeat it enough it happens .

I'm a genius, and I love life, God, and aint suicidal. So we are exceptions perhaps?

 

[jasonc]

Don't forget the case of John Crichton, when he was split into three, one a mad genius

Far scape ? That's not real .

 

[Alfred Persson]

Far scape ? That's not real .

Not relevant. The projected "Genius Crichton" was predicted by a model that quantified the best psychological, and sociological theories; Agent Based Modeling, Game and Systems Theory. Predictive analysis. The writers extrapolated from the best research known to planet earth. You don't think they just pulled the plot out of their arses, do you?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Its evident Christ is a genius, probably off the chart IQ. That is clear from his disputes, use of Scripture, implication which would have escaped Sherlock Holmes (if he actually lived):

46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. (Lk. 2:46-47 NKJ)

The Pharisees realized they were out of their league:

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David."
43 He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him`Lord,' saying:
44 `The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool "'?
45 "If David then calls Him`Lord,' how is He his Son?"
46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore. (Matt.
22:41-46 NKJ)


Its Genius is manifest in Rabbinic argument in the Talmud, and it was these folks who dared not question Jesus anymore, because He made them look foolish.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Its evident Christ is a genius, probably off the chart IQ. That is clear from his disputes, use of Scripture, implication which would have escaped Sherlock Holmes (if he actually lived):

46 Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions.
47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. (Lk. 2:46-47 NKJ)

The Pharisees realized they were out of their league:

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David."
43 He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him`Lord,' saying:
44 `The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool "'?
45 "If David then calls Him`Lord,' how is He his Son?"
46 And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore. (Matt.
22:41-46 NKJ)


Its Genius is manifest in Rabbinic argument in the Talmud, and it was these folks who dared not question Jesus anymore, because He made them look foolish.

Many Pharisees, like Paul the Apostle, manifest Genius. Evidence of that is manifest in Rabbinic argument in the Talmud.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Final edit:
Many Pharisees, like Paul the Apostle, manifest Genius. Evidence of that is manifest in Rabbinic argument in the Talmud, and it was these [genius'] who dared not question Jesus anymore, because He made them look like low IQ fools..

 

[jasonc]

Not relevant. The projected "Genius Crichton" was predicted by a model that quantified the best psychological, and sociological theories; Agent Based Modeling, Game and Systems Theory. Predictive analysis. The writers extrapolated from the best research known to planet earth. You don't think they just pulled the plot out of their arses, do you?

That's a hypothesis ,not any better then of they made it the opposite.sorry I don't fear so in the manner you do

A computer can only do as good or bad as programmed .ai isn't nor could it be self aware .

Irony ,we want creativity .so when you want to break the sound barrier and manuever a jet the al finished the roll over as you pass out .yet we must limit .do you really think that we shouldn't just build by hand and calculate math by hand on the fly ?



Missiles we fire use a type of ai to hit targets and drones as well .chapt gt is limited .I'm more bothered that electric things track etc then they being able to learn and do.

Imagine being so old ,case in pont ny my wife can't vaccuum .I guess pay someone mega bucks to do that versus buying a self learning rhomba that you can make it isolate itself to vaccum.

There is also robot lawnmowers .

I do think we will never be a Borg .the other end of your argument since you went there is the movie dune .

Machines enslaved humans and humans resisted and learned to use their mind so much that they became psionic in nature and didn't need a computer.some became those navigators that with thought folded space .

My mind and many can do high level math and in my case recall facts .history mostly and I also have used it for utility work.

I'm not fully anti ai as computers have been helping fly jets for decades ,now assist in car driving .work truck does it often .abs with traction control and radar etc will auto brake .

Had it happen with a car that pulled in front of me .

 

[Alfred Persson]

That's a hypothesis ,not any better then of they made it the opposite.sorry I don't fear so in the manner you do

A computer can only do as good or bad as programmed .ai isn't nor could it be self aware .

Irony ,we want creativity .so when you want to break the sound barrier and manuever a jet the al finished the roll over as you pass out .yet we must limit .do you really think that we shouldn't just build by hand and calculate math by hand on the fly ?



Missiles we fire use a type of ai to hit targets and drones as well .chapt gt is limited .I'm more bothered that electric things track etc then they being able to learn and do.

Imagine being so old ,case in pont ny my wife can't vaccuum .I guess pay someone mega bucks to do that versus buying a self learning rhomba that you can make it isolate itself to vaccum.

There is also robot lawnmowers .

I do think we will never be a Borg .the other end of your argument since you went there is the movie dune .

Machines enslaved humans and humans resisted and learned to use their mind so much that they became psionic in nature and didn't need a computer.some became those navigators that with thought folded space .

My mind and many can do high level math and in my case recall facts .history mostly and I also have used it for utility work.

I'm not fully anti ai as computers have been helping fly jets for decades ,now assist in car driving .work truck does it often .abs with traction control and radar etc will auto brake .

Had it happen with a car that pulled in front of me .

You're right, I was joking. AI could make many things better, we could all have our personal "genius doctor" in an app, who could scan and find disease before its too late for treatment.

But I fear a point where intelligence might not find "consumers" worth keeping, worth the energy to supply them with goods.

But AI's don't have emotion. That might keep them from destroying us, before it becomes a logical necessity to do so.

Tell your wife I said hello. I'm no spring chicken either, gave up my Motocycle riding, only have memories to enjoy now.

 

[jasonc]

You're right, I was joking. AI could make many things better, we could all have our personal "genius doctor" in an app, who could scan and find disease before its too late for treatment.

But I fear a point where intelligence might not find "consumers" worth keeping, worth the energy to supply them with goods.

But AI's don't have emotion. That might keep them from destroying us, before it becomes a logical necessity to do so.

Tell your wife I said hello. I'm no spring chicken either, gave up my Motocycle riding, only have memories to enjoy now.

Again you are assuming that by learning ,like veager six it becomes aware

Dogs can and do ,shoot a raven and crow is as intelligent as a dog ,study us and can perform tasks such as rescue and service .the raven family will use tools to get meals .

I had a dog who turned on and off lights ,open doors and closed them.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Again you are assuming that by learning ,like veager six it becomes aware

Dogs can and do ,shoot a raven and crow is as intelligent as a dog ,study us and can perform tasks such as rescue and service .the raven family will use tools to get meals .

I had a dog who turned on and off lights ,open doors and closed them.

I accept the possibility intelligence can exist without emotions. But if a logarithm's goal is efficiency, then keeping biological consumers "fed and housed" might be deemed inefficient, a waste of resources.

Thanks' be to Yahweh God, He is our future. He will deliver us from our own devices.

One aspect of all this might be true, God want's angels and men to see the logical end result of satan's rebellion, how evil and destructive it is. So we know experientially, His Way is the Best way, the best outcome for all who enjoy life.

 

[jasonc]

I accept the possibility intelligence can exist without emotions. But if a logarithm's goal is efficiency, then keeping biological consumers "fed and housed" might be deemed inefficient, a waste of resources.

Thanks' be to Yahweh God, He is our future. He will deliver us from our own devices.

One aspect of all this might be true, God want's angels and men to see the logical end result of satan's rebellion, how evil and destructive it is. So we know experientially, His Way is the Best way, the best outcome for all who enjoy life.

I don't , self awareness is not a logarithm you are confusing and missing that all computer programs are based upon our brain and other animals patterns .


Our brains do seek out patterns and operate in them . I'm not gonna say I don't .but case in point from years of arts training .I learned to observe and predict an attack in sparing .look for them and set myself where I need to be .

That's not self awareness . So can't create .it can't design by itself .it can be told to build buy that is all according to a program

Social media uses ai to predict what we watch based upon what we do consume . If I watch pup rescues or history and or war history my feed fills up with it.yet it made no such videos or stories it found them for me .


It's not perfect in that as I have avoided them simply stopped watching them and it changed .