That's mental illness for you

[wogboy]

I'm really sorry for all the pestering questions and nasty comments, underneath I really am a nice guy.

I tell you what though, you Christians are all right.

 

[Adstar]

I don't think I have the strength to follow Jesus anymore, when I do I find that I instantly become dogmatic and judgmental. I start thinking in terms of sin nature, and uphold wishful thinking.

I have also lost the will to pray, I am offended at the concept of it. All the prayer's I sent up have never come back down, it's become such futility to keep asking Jesus for help but get no replies.

I always try to get right down into the foundations of a persons faith ... Or in this case their former religious belief system.. Since you are reluctant to share openly what your former religious system of belief was.. All i can go on is the ""fruit" or what you reveal came of it..

You say that you instantly became ""dogmatic and judgemental"" Sounds like the version of religion you where in was a works salvation type of religion.. One where you earned your salvation through being good enough to earn some pass mark into eternity with God.. The fruit of Christianity should be love for others patience with others and forgiveness towards others and oneself..

I often discuss things with former religious people who where in very strict and judgemental denominations.. Some denominations and even some individual churches have pastors or priests who focus nearly totally of law keeping and public condemnation of anyone who is seen to have broken one of those laws..

Looking at your screen name i see the name wogboy and the face of a greek australian comedian .. So i am thinking maybe your former religion was one of the eastern Orthodox religions .. Greek Orthodox maybe? I never saw them as a particularly forceful hell fire and brimstone law bashing religion.. But i guess individual priests might be more forceful?? See i am speculating here because you are not giving me anything to go on...

My main focus in this kind of situation is to attain an accurate view of the religion the person has rejected to find out if it is the Bible based religion of Christianity or if it is one of the wonky false religions that claim to be Christian but are not.. If i find that the person has rejected the true Christian message then i can move on in peace of mind knowing at least they have made their own personal response to the actual message of Jesus.. If i find out that they where indoctrinated into a false version of christianity then i can then work to give them the actual Gospel and so give them the opportunity to respond to the actual Gospel.. Knowing full well that they could reject the true gospel as they did the false religion they where once in..

Then there is in your personal case a mental condition... I am no expert in psychology and i don't believe the majority of psychologists and experts in psychology.. Most of them are just as you said.. people who just send to to the injection room to get some drug to shut people down dealing with the outer problems of the psychosis rather then actually seeking to rectify the actual cause of the mental condition..

Anyway wogboy i have posted this just to give you some clarity to my thoughts and motivations.. Of course i could be very wrong about your situation.. But you really have not given us much to go on... I wish you relief from your mental condition.. Not harm.. But i am no doctor, All i can do is probably pray for you and maybe respond to your thoughts if i can understand them.

 

[wogboy]

I always try to get right down into the foundations of a persons faith ... Or in this case their former religious belief system.. Since you are reluctant to share openly what your former religious system of belief was.. All i can go on is the ""fruit" or what you reveal came of it..

You say that you instantly became ""dogmatic and judgemental"" Sounds like the version of religion you where in was a works salvation type of religion.. One where you earned your salvation through being good enough to earn some pass mark into eternity with God.. The fruit of Christianity should be love for others patience with others and forgiveness towards others and oneself..

I often discuss things with former religious people who where in very strict and judgemental denominations.. Some denominations and even some individual churches have pastors or priests who focus nearly totally of law keeping and public condemnation of anyone who is seen to have broken one of those laws..

Looking at your screen name i see the name wogboy and the face of a greek australian comedian .. So i am thinking maybe your former religion was one of the eastern Orthodox religions .. Greek Orthodox maybe? I never saw them as a particularly forceful hell fire and brimstone law bashing religion.. But i guess individual priests might be more forceful?? See i am speculating here because you are not giving me anything to go on...

My main focus in this kind of situation is to attain an accurate view of the religion the person has rejected to find out if it is the Bible based religion of Christianity or if it is one of the wonky false religions that claim to be Christian but are not.. If i find that the person has rejected the true Christian message then i can move on in peace of mind knowing at least they have made their own personal response to the actual message of Jesus.. If i find out that they where indoctrinated into a false version of christianity then i can then work to give them the actual Gospel and so give them the opportunity to respond to the actual Gospel.. Knowing full well that they could reject the true gospel as they did the false religion they where once in..

Then there is in your personal case a mental condition... I am no expert in psychology and i don't believe the majority of psychologists and experts in psychology.. Most of them are just as you said.. people who just send to to the injection room to get some drug to shut people down dealing with the outer problems of the psychosis rather then actually seeking to rectify the actual cause of the mental condition..

Anyway wogboy i have posted this just to give you some clarity to my thoughts and motivations.. Of course i could be very wrong about your situation.. But you really have not given us much to go on... I wish you relief from your mental condition.. Not harm.. But i am no doctor, All i can do is probably pray for you and maybe respond to your thoughts if i can understand them.

The religion shut down my reasoning mind, and ability to form healthy relationships. Over the years belief in hell became a form of abuse, so I was victimized from day to night.

But let's get down to some home truths here. You can't be forced to love anyone based on fear, that is completely abhorrent. Christianity to me is a twisted cult of death, that installs fear in it's subjects to control them.

It is not real freedom, it's a prison sentence. It's not real love, it is manipulation of our base integrity.

So much horror has be created by this religion, not Jesus fault? Sure.

 

[brujaq]

The religion shut down my reasoning mind, and ability to form healthy relationships. Over the years belief in hell became a form of abuse, so I was victimized from day to night.

But let's get down to some home truths here. You can't be forced to love anyone based on fear, that is completely abhorrent. Christianity to me is a twisted cult of death, that installs fear in it's subjects to control them.

It is not real freedom, it's a prison sentence. It's not real love, it is manipulation of our base integrity.

So much horror has be created by this religion, not Jesus fault? Sure.

You cannot serve two masters you will hate or love one or the other .. Our carnal mind is enmity against God, you should know this , that is why we must continue to agree with our heart to renew our mind .. We overcome by reading the Word and filling our heart for out of the abundance of the heart we confess with our mouth, not what our mind tells us , imo you have shown you are a smart guy .. Nothing will befall you except which is common to man .. In times past marriages were arranged sometimes for folks who knew little of each other yet they learned to love each other as they lived and come to know each other more intimate .. I've fought some horrible blasphemous thoughts early on even to contemplating suicide but knew it was a lie because I knew I had believed/received salvation .. My mind was telling me loud lies , my heart was telling me the truth because I agreed with Jesus and his Word .. I've lived in such torment for what seemed like months daily and met quite a few others since going through the same torment . During that time I only found comfort when I applied the Word of God in action even if only temporary relief then back to torment .. I finally gained control of my mind through confessing (simply speaking) from my heart and not my mind .. Which also two things 1 the devil will attack and influence your mind 2 You learn to love the Word and really do when you are convinced it is right and true, that it is your choice to believe and love it, to desire to align with it .. You can get yourself to the point where you love talking ,loving , thinking about the Word all the time ... Even following instructions in praise and worship , the first time I broke my inhibition to raise holy hands to the Lord in Spirit and Truth he met me, shouting to the Lord even fasting and prayer was a big factor I had never heard of people I knew did .. When I began to exercise this tangible faith things began to happen , not on my time or expectation but the right time which means waiting on the Lord at times .. Break though with Jesus friend .. You don't realize how big you could be .. Attitude

 

[brujaq]

Even many Atheist get comfort around Christians conflicting and mocking but never realize even then they receive unrecognized temporary fulfillment of sorts

 

[Adstar]

The religion shut down my reasoning mind, and ability to form healthy relationships. Over the years belief in hell became a form of abuse, so I was victimized from day to night.

See wogboy this statement you make indicates to me that you where not introduced to true Christianity.. Because the Message of Christianity is that all believers are saved from the eternal lake of fire.. So no Christian should ever be in fear of the Eternal lake of fire..

Since you where in fear of the eternal lake of fire you must not have received the message of Jesus which removes all fear.. The Bible says that those who believe and trust in the Love of Jesus have all fear removed from us:::

1 John 4: KJV
17 {18} There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."

But let's get down to some home truths here. You can't be forced to love anyone based on fear, that is completely abhorrent.

True.. I do not fear God.. But fear can motivate someone who does not know the love of God to seek out the will of God and end up discovering the perfect love of God and thus in the end have all their fear removed because they have the knowledge of salvation..

Christianity to me is a twisted cult of death, that installs fear in it's subjects to control them.

Yes i can fully understand that you and many people having never received the full knowledge of the Love of the truth of the LORD Jesus Christ,, would feel that way.. But that comes from a lack of full knowledge.. Not from Christianity being a twisted cult of death...

So much horror has be created by this religion, not Jesus fault? Sure.

You are right.. it is Not Jesus fault..

But Christianity is the message of Jesus.. Not the often wonky or twisted fear mongering teachings of some religions that clami to speak for Jesus...

So wogboy i am convinced the version of religion you where exposed to was at worse false or at best lacking the most important information.. No Christian should ever live in fear of hell..

 

[GodsGrace]

That's only what other people say.

OK.
See.
So it must be true. What makes you be a nice guy is that you probably treat others well. Probably with respect and maybe even a sense of humor.

Now,
Why do you think Christians are alright??

 

[GodsGrace]

The religion shut down my reasoning mind, and ability to form healthy relationships. Over the years belief in hell became a form of abuse, so I was victimized from day to night.

But let's get down to some home truths here. You can't be forced to love anyone based on fear, that is completely abhorrent. Christianity to me is a twisted cult of death, that installs fear in it's subjects to control them.

It is not real freedom, it's a prison sentence. It's not real love, it is manipulation of our base integrity.

So much horror has be created by this religion, not Jesus fault? Sure.

I agree with all you've said.
A healthy relationship has to be based on love, not fear.
I'm really sorry you had such a bad experience with Christianity.

For me, it answered all the questions I could possibly have except one and there is no answer for that one.

It would be nice if you gave Jesus a second chance. He's helped me so much in my life just by following some rules He set up for us so we could be happier.

And one of them is not to give the enemy the victory.

 

[Truthfrees]

I'm really sorry for all the pestering questions and nasty comments, underneath I really am a nice guy.

I tell you what though, you Christians are all right.

for sure you are valuable and God loves you no matter what

God loved us even when we were sinners and sent Christ to die for us - Romans 5:8

Jesus came for the sinner and the sick - so you can turn to Jesus and leave religion behind if that is what throws you off-track - Luke 5:31-32 - Mark 2:17 - Matthew 9:12-13

praying for you

God Bless you

 

[for_his_glory]

To me there is a big difference between religion and Christianity. Religion leaves out love your neighbor and pray for your enemies. Instead it puts one in bondage with all its man made doctrines that tell you want you can and can not do and becomes very judgemental to all who will not conform to their rules and regulations. Who needs that as I sure don't.

Christianity says the greatest commandment is love. There is no judgement in love, but only acceptance no matter who the person is or what they have done. Christian means to be Christlike in all your ways or in other words be an example of Christ here on earth. The Gospel is not bad news or fire and brimstone. The Gospel is a gospel of Gods grace and mercy through giving us His only begotten son that came to save us from our sins through His finished works on the cross that whoever believe in Him will have eternal life with the Father.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Below is what Jesus laid down for us:

ISAIAH 50:6 I HID NOT MY FACE FROM SHAME.

JOHN 18:22 FIRST TO HIT JESUS WITH AN OPEN PALM ON HIS FACE WAS A PAGAN ARMY OFFICER.

JOHN 18:23 JESUS ASKED THE OFFICER "WHY DID YOU HIT ME"?

ISAIAH 50:6 I ALSO HID NOT MY FACE FROM SPITTING.

MARK 15:19 A REED HIT HIM ON THE HEAD.

LUKE 22:63 THEY HIT HIS BODY WITH THEIR FISTS.

ISAIAH 53:5 HE WAS BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES.

ISAIAH 50:6 I GAVE MY CHEEKS TO THEM THAT PLUCKED OFF MY BEARD.

JOHN 19:2 A CROWN OF THORNS WAS FORCED INTO THE FLESH OF HIS HEAD

MATTHEW 27:28 STRIPPED NAKED.

ISAIAH 50:6 I GAVE MY BACK TO THE SMITERS.

PSALMS 22:17 I COUNT MY BONES: THEY LOOK AND STARE UPON ME

ISAIAH. 53:2 WHEN WE SEE HIM, THERE IS NO BEAUTY THAT WE SHOULD DESIRE HIM.

ISAIAH 52:14 MANY WERE ASTONISHED AT HIM. HIS FACE AND BODY WAS MARRED MORE THAN ANY MAN.

JOHN 19:23 SOLDIERS CRUCIFIED CHRIST JESUS.

JOHN 19:36, PSALMS 34:20, NOT A BONE OF HIS BODY COULD BE BROKEN.

JOHN 10:18 NO MAN TAKES MY LIFE FROM ME I LAY IT DOWN MYSELF.

JOHN 19:34 A SOLDIER WITH A SPEAR PIERCED HIS SIDE.


THE LAST EIGHT SAYING OF JESUS ON THE CROSS

1.) LUKE 23:34 Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

2.) LUKE 23:43 Today you shall be with me in paradise.

3.) JOHN 19:26 Woman, behold your son.

4.) JOHN 19:27 Behold your mother.

5.) MATTHEW 27:46 Eli, Eli lama sabachthani? That is to say, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

6.) JOHN 19:28 I thirst.

7.) JOHN 19:28 It is finished.

8.) LUKE 23:46 Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.

No greater love then this.

 

[Poor Old Spike]

Wogboy quote- "I don't think I have the strength to follow Jesus anymore"
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I don't understand. You liked Jesus once, so what made you suddenly decide not to like him any more?
For example I like Jesus, Elvis, the Beatles and Johnny Cash and I always will, I'll never wake up one morning and decide not to like them any more...

 

[OzSpen]

I'm not really searching for anything, maybe a normal relationship with somebody.

Please help me to understand why you are on the 'seekers' section of this forum if that is your perspective.

 

[jasonc]

Please help me to understand why you are on the 'seekers' section of this forum if that is your perspective.

Ressurected a two year old thread

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

It's interesting how angry atheists keep infiltrating Christian spaces just to make sure we know they're angry and think we are lesser for believing. Everyone is trying to be nice to you because that is what good Christians are and you know it. We both know why you're really here. Wouldn't it be nice if people could mind their own business/respect other people's beliefs? You guys are always angry for the same reason. Strict Christians pushed their beliefs on you. So now you guys decide to dedicate your lives to trying to push YOUR beliefs on good Christians. I assure you it is highly hypocritical of you and doesn't make as much sense as you feel like it does.

And with all due respect mental illness is not something to throw around to try and insult or reduce people. I live with mental illness and I am not a bad thing for that, or lesser than those with good mental health.

A nice guy does not have to tell people he is a nice guy.

 

[PrimFinallyFoundGod!]

Ressurected a two year old thread

Dang I didn't realize I just did the same thing because it got bumped lol sorry >_<

 

[Life after death]

i'll pray for you. Christians do that, for each other and those on their way to Christ. I'm glad you've come to CFnet.

Please read my prayer request thread and pray for me too if it is possible for you? I appreciate believers who comfort others through their prayer. I desperately need your prayers fellow belivers

 

[WIP]

Dang I didn't realize I just did the same thing because it got bumped lol sorry >_<

You also violated the rules of this forum.