The AntiChrist

[Rookie]

A narcissist is also pretty good at hiding their true identity since they do it their whole lives.They fool people.

Quite the contrary, Trump is actually open about who he is, I rather a open wolf than a wolf in sheeps clothing which Obama and Biden are. Obama pretended to be a Christian and family man but when he got the office he promoted the most pro-homosexual and anti-God policies ever, i seen it down at the local level! And he denounced his pastor. Biden pretended to be so pro-black but his first day he shows his true skin, for homosexuals and transgender. Got all our black votes and only helping queer folk. Liar, does CNN call him out? No because they are aligned in that agenda.

 

[Rookie]

This happens after the war in Heaven, when he(satan) gets kicked out of Heaven.

But did the war in Heaven occur in the past, or is it coming? (Did Satan get kicked out before the creation of the earth hence the darkness over the face of the earth in Genesis 1, or did he get kicked out at a different time, or is it he gets kicked out and possess the antichrist?

We don't know unless Scripture says so.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Quite the contrary, Trump is actually open about who he is, I rather a open wolf than a wolf in sheeps clothing which Obama and Biden are. Obama pretended to be a Christian and family man but when he got the office he promoted the most pro-homosexual and anti-God policies ever, i seen it down at the local level! And he denounced his pastor. Biden pretended to be so pro-black but his first day he shows his true skin, for homosexuals and transgender. Got all our black votes and only helping queer folk. Liar, does CNN call him out? No because they are aligned in that agenda.

I guess you shouldnt expect to find your answer then.
The son of perdition is not the raised of taxes
He just followed one.

 

[BroRoyVa79]

This may be a repeat considering the 1.2k threads but what are you're thoughts on the ominous dictator? Is he an actual man who will come for a literal 7 years with the latter 3 1/2 terrorizing us? Or is the antiChrist simply a symbol for something else?

Literal person.
And I agree with this:

Those who over-spiritualize things that should not be over-spiritualized obliterate an accurate understanding of Biblical prophecy, both Old and New Testament.

As to the original question, there's fulfilled prophesy and unfulfilled prophesy which is something kind of common around prophesy in scripture.

In 1 John 2:18-27, John is not declaring that the multitude of antichrists somehow invalidate the prophesy of the antichrist. Plus look at the context, in verse 19 John says the antichrist he's talking about in the epistle were once among them and went out from among them and denied Jesus Christ (vers 22-23). Historically speaking, about this time, roughly 85ish-95ish AD the church started fighting against Gnosticism, Docetism, and Cerinthianism. Three heresies that tried to hijack Christianity with claims they were the truth.

Either way, the antichrist is presented several times as a literal figure in various passages such at 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. The language in that passage coincides with language in other passages about a figure who will oppose every religion and set themselves up to be God.

 

[Hidden In Him]

In 1 John 2:18-27, John is not declaring that the multitude of antichrists somehow invalidate the prophesy of the antichrist.

That's correct.

Historically speaking, about this time, roughly 85ish-95ish AD the church started fighting against Gnosticism, Docetism, and Cerinthianism. Three heresies that tried to hijack Christianity with claims they were the truth.

Yes. Now I argue for an earlier date for Revelations, and John's epistles could actually date to earlier as well, but aside from that the threat of Gnosticism was in fact what I think needs to be accounted for in translating the verse.

I have an argument for you that might resonate on this... let me just post the link so you can see it in context.

Yeah, right here. I open up with it in the first few paragraphs. Tell me what you think of the argument. It's a translation not normally used, and it makes more sense of the actual historical context.

1 John 2:18-23

1 John 2:18-23

www.spiritualwarbiblestudies.com

 

[BroRoyVa79]

That's correct.


Yes. Now I argue for an earlier date for Revelations, and John's epistles could actually date to earlier as well, but aside from that the threat of Gnosticism was in fact what I think needs to be accounted for in translating the verse.

I have an argument for you that might resonate on this... let me just post the link so you can see it in context.

Yeah, right here. I open up with it in the first few paragraphs. Tell me what you think of the argument. It's a translation not normally used, and it makes more sense of the actual historical context.

1 John 2:18-23

1 John 2:18-23

www.spiritualwarbiblestudies.com

I generally tend to accept the earlier dates of authorship for everything in the NT because of the evidence and since it's usually the thing that people who want to attack the integrity of the NT attack and why most secularist scholarship embrace later dates.

You can see attacks on Gnosticism as far back as Acts (in my opinion) but more officially 1 Corinthians 1, several places in Colossians, Galatians, 1 Timothy, Jude, and Romans. Indicating they popped up long before John penned 1 John and Revelation if you're not someone of the early authorship.

 

[Hidden In Him]

You can see attacks on Gnosticism as far back as Acts (in my opinion) but more officially 1 Corinthians 1, several places in Colossians, Galatians, 1 Timothy, Jude, and Romans. Indicating they popped up long before John penned 1 John and Revelation if you're not someone of the early authorship.

Yes. I'd be interested to see what you are referring to in 1st Corinthians 1, because I would add 1 Corinthians 6 through 11, as well as 2nd Timothy, 2 Peter, and 2nd Thessalonians, the latter of which being one of the earliest epistles in the entire New Testament.

I actually think Colossians and Ephesians were dealing with the Essenes instead, but it might make for an interesting discussion sometime.

God bless, and thanks for the reply.

 

[BroRoyVa79]

Yes. I'd be interested to see what you are referring to in 1st Corinthians 1, because I would add 1 Corinthians 6 through 11, as well as 2nd Timothy, 2 Peter, and 2nd Thessalonians, the latter of which being one of the earliest epistles in the entire New Testament.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31. You get some of it in 1 Corinthians 2:6-31. But, and this may seem reaching, but anywhere the authors in the post-Gospels NT are talking about the wisdom of men can be applied to early Gnosticism, as well as general wisdom of men, I admit.

I actually think Colossians and Ephesians were dealing with the Essenes instead, but it might make for an interesting discussion sometime.

God bless, and thanks for the reply.

Some parts. Essenes like the Sadducees generally denied a bodily resurrection among other things. Anywhere the NT authors were bringing up resurrections was likely dealing with combating those in Jewish populations. They also didn't like marriage and having children, instead they adopted, so anywhere dealing with marriage could be seen as combating their influences.

On the flip side, however, John the Baptist pretty much lived like an Essene since they lived very monastic lives, self-sustaining themselves with agriculture, bee-keeping, etc.

 

[Hidden In Him]

1 Corinthians 1:18-31. You get some of it in 1 Corinthians 2:6-31. But, and this may seem reaching, but anywhere the authors in the post-Gospels NT are talking about the wisdom of men can be applied to early Gnosticism, as well as general wisdom of men, I admit.

Ah. Yes, I actually take those early passages in the letter to be referring to the Greek philosophers, in that they were seeking the "wisdom" behind what it would take to create the perfect form of government on earth, whereas the Jews were simply seeking a sign that the power of God would be behind the Messiah, for the power of God was sufficient in and of itself to create the perfect world.

But Paul's argument was that Jesus was actually both the wisdom of God and the power of God.

Some parts. Essenes like the Sadducees generally denied a bodily resurrection among other things. Anywhere the NT authors were bringing up resurrections was likely dealing with combating those in Jewish populations. They also didn't like marriage and having children, instead they adopted, so anywhere dealing with marriage could be seen as combating their influences.

On the flip side, however, John the Baptist pretty much lived like an Essene since they lived very monastic lives, self-sustaining themselves with agriculture, bee-keeping, etc.

It's a long discussion that would take getting pretty heavily into the letters themselves, but maybe sometime.

 

[Rookie]

I guess you shouldnt expect to find your answer then.
The son of perdition is not the raised of taxes
He just followed one.

Ok then

 

[Consecrated Life]

Yes, I think the circumstances the bible describes of one world totalitarian rule dictates that a single person will be calling the shots in complete power.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Yes, I think the circumstances the bible describes of one world totalitarian rule dictates that a single person will be calling the shots in complete power.

Not really.
Daniel 11:40
At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.


These two kings and their predecessors have several wars in Daniel 11.Kinda like the US invading Iraq on a couple of occasions and in the end the north obliterates the middle east.The time of the end is a war of nations against nations and kingdom.against kingdoms.

Mathew 24:7
Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

There is no one single person ruling these kingdoms.They are just devided as ever.Really the biggest difference is,is at the time of the end ten Muslim nations gang up on the country called Israel.All the middle east ends up destroyed from Iran to Egypt

 

[Consecrated Life]

Not really.
Daniel 11:40
At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.


These two kings and their predecessors have several wars in Daniel 11.Kinda like the US invading Iraq on a couple of occasions and in the end the north obliterates the middle east.The time of the end is a war of nations against nations and kingdom.against kingdoms.

Mathew 24:7
Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.

There is no one single person ruling these kingdoms.They are just devided as ever.Really the biggest difference is,is at the time of the end ten Muslim nations gang up on the country called Israel.All the middle east ends up destroyed from Iran to Egypt

Daniel and Jesus speak of the same single person whom will be accepted by Israel and to whom the north & south kings will answer to:

Dan 11:21
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Dan 11:25
And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

Dan 11:27
And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Dan 11:28
Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

 

[2nd Time's the Charm]

He reminds me of Donald Trump .

I don't think the antichrist is American whether anyone thinks it's Obama, Biden or Trump.

The real antichrist is somewhere across the pond. The US itself won't be a world power for much longer.

❧

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Daniel and Jesus speak of the same single person whom will be accepted by Israel and to whom the north & south kings will answer to:

Dan 11:21
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Dan 11:25
And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

Dan 11:27
And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Dan 11:28
Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

Just because one country like the US has great power and invades other countries in the middle east doesn't mean the middle east answers to the president of the US.
Perhaps after the Muslim countries have overwhelmed Israel's defences and killed it's defenders then you will have realized that.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I don't think the antichrist is American whether anyone thinks it's Obama, Biden or Trump.

The real antichrist is somewhere across the pond. The US itself won't be a world power for much longer.

❧

The US remains a world power till Armageddon.
And just so you know,the US is also across the pond. The US military is worldwide.

Daniel 11:40
At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood

Everytime the king of the north invades the middle east,he uses a great fleet of ships to do so.Those ships are used to cross the pond.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Just because one country like the US has great power and invades other countries in the middle east doesn't mean the middle east answers to the president of the US.
Perhaps after the Muslim countries have overwhelmed Israel's defences and killed it's defenders then you will have realized that.

U.S. most likely will cease to exist long before antichrist takes power.
I don't where you get that I was referring to U.S. ?
The key in understanding the antichrist is that it was Lucifer's desire to imitate God in the heavenly realm that caused his downfall to Satan .
Satan's desire to be worshipped is no less today, and closing the book on the age, God will use him & allow Satan to finally get his wish to be worshiped for a short time here on earth to the detriment of those who have rejected His Son Jesus.
Satan will make full use of the short opportunity imitate God's actions on earth, performing miracles & even going so far as arranging a false resurrection of his son. the antichrist .

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

This one who appears to come back from the dead in imitation of Christ is the that Jesus spoke of :

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

U.S. most likely will cease to exist long before antichrist takes power.
I don't where you get that I was referring to U.S. ?
The key in understanding the antichrist is that it was Lucifer's desire to imitate God in the heavenly realm that caused his downfall to Satan .
Satan's desire to be worshipped is no less today, and closing the book on the age, God will use him & allow Satan to finally get his wish to be worshiped for a short time here on earth to the detriment of those who have rejected His Son Jesus.
Satan will make full use of the short opportunity imitate God's actions on earth, performing miracles & even going so far as arranging a false resurrection of his son. the antichrist .

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

This one who appears to come back from the dead in imitation of Christ is the that Jesus spoke of :

Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

The beast In revelation 13:3 is not the king of the north in Daniel 11.
It is the king of the north who gives the beast in revelation 13:3 an army that can make fire come down out of heaven and cause the people who worship the beast in revelation 13:3 to recieve a mark in their fore head or in their right hand.

The king of the north gives the beast in revelation 13:3 the second beast in revelation 13:11-17.

And no,the United States will still be policing the world as it is today.Blindly stumbling right into Armageddon.

 

[Consecrated Life]

There is nothing new under the sun with Satan & his methods.
His method has not changed in the least.
And Just as his first direct contact with humans to place his hook was in the form of a disguise:
Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden

So will His last contact with the human race be, in the disguise of the antichrist.
Just as the serpent was actually the incarnate Satan, so the antichrist will be the incarnate Satan disguised and just as "subtil" in placing his hook as the serpent was.

 

[n2thelight]

But did the war in Heaven occur in the past, or is it coming? (Did Satan get kicked out before the creation of the earth hence the darkness over the face of the earth in Genesis 1, or did he get kicked out at a different time, or is it he gets kicked out and possess the antichrist?

We don't know unless Scripture says so.

The war in Heaven is future, and scripture confirms this. The rebellion of lucifer happened long before Genesis 1.
After the war in Heaven satan has but a short time . 5 months