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The Arbiter of Morality: a Critique of The Atheistic Claim to Morality

Ashua

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The grand conception of the virtuous “philosopher-king” centers around the idea of “the good” and the subjectivity in its interpretation; but what is this “good” that Plato speaks of? —or more precisely: Why is it good? For Plato speaks of justice, and of the good in terms of absolute parameters, but he neglects to establish an objective, definitive origin for the canon of moral law. To suppose that goodness, in and of itself, is some abstract caricature portraying the intrinsic will of the universe, is to preclude any semblance of rational thought; that is, how could the faceless universe be so inclined toward partisanship in respect to the human condition?...Nor does he attribute the legislation of morality to be the prerogative of a sovereign creator. Perhaps, Plato carelessly mistook the postulate of moral absolutism for a given, considering his regard for the Greek logicians of old, and their philosophical experimentation with geometrical proofs. Still, the problem arises: What is the qualification for defining the good?

The authority to determine—the inherent blessing of nature's endorsement, which man, from his inception has sought to swindle, seemingly exceeds the bounty of his providential dowry. Notwithstanding, the age-old campaign of mankind's failure to establish a legitimate claim to authority—to declare good and evil in absolute terms, but for one to yoke such prejudices upon the backs of his brethren is utterly inequitable; howbeit even the “nobility” behind such a concept as equity is purely illusory...And from where is this imperialistic will to impute the moral code of the dominant, upon the many derived? For we say, this is just, and that is unjust; but who is the great decider of terms, dividing virtue from vice?

The deterrent presented with the doctrine of moral arbitration lies in the necessity for an arbiter, but what dogmatist is supremely endowed with the divine lot to impose upon all, his philosophical vanity, polluted with cultural pretense? For if we accept that one man—or even that a governing body is sufficiently fit to draft the boarders of our ethical provinces, with [the] intent that all should abide therein, then we sell ourselves into philosophical slavery, thus ignorantly conceding that the vision of one is inferior to that of another, though it be no less a novelty of the human imagination.

Inevitably, there rises up an advocacy for the law to assume the objective office of moral mediator. This too, must be rejected—for what is law, but the precept of man? The truth behind the messianic vision of Platonism is little more than a phantasmagoria of Hellenistic prejudices and aggrandized opinions, [which are] crafted after the fickle fashions of a temporal generation—Opinion masquerading as innate truth: So it is that our problem remains unresolved hitherto.

However, Cicero deserves commendation, for unlike Socrates, he did not shrink away from confronting the question: From whence comes the central authority to arbitrate the universal constitution of good and evil? Cicero adopts a worthy supposition to vindicate the doctrine of moral absolutism, for he says: “there exists a Universal Monarch in heaven,...who is both king and father of all creatures.” Thus, he declares that the legislation of “nature's law” is indeed the prerogative of a sovereign creator who bears legitimate claim to appoint an eternal ordinance over all creation—His handiwork. Verily, every moral order is vanity apart from the signet of an Almighty creator, for without—the currency of virtue is human opinion—meted out in temporal prejudices and demagoguery; for such doctrines remain unbacked in transcendent stock. Though he neglects to identify the creator or the precise canon of moral law, in the least, one fitting such a profile as described by the Roman philosopher qualifies as being both beyond man and of legitimate merit to reign over him—Exceeding in power and justified by deed of authorship. Thus it seems that the abstraction of definitive good and evil is wholly contingent upon the existence of God—the arbiter of morality.
 
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The thing I find interesting is that bad can't not stand by itself. something can be good, and stand by itself. Bad can not. bad is often the failure of good. If something say a pump goes what it's designed to do we say oh that's good. We have no idea of anything bad until we turn it on and no water. Then we say uh oh this is bad. Only knowning about bad because it did something it wasn't designed to do.
 
''The abstraction of good and evil''

Would it be wrong to accord the dissemination of good and evil to mankind himself? Of all literary, philosophical and intellectual frameworks, the concept of Good vs evil is one of the oldest on written record. Some will argue it's one of the earliest ''mysteries'' that man identified and began to address (we still haven't solved evil of course!)

Honestly, though, when I fathom the stupendous political, psychological, scientific and ethical advances of mankind in 2000 years I ask myself if recognizing good and evil wasn't just an appetizer for the unimaginably complex human being. Then, I begin to look at it in a broader context: language, humor, empathy, the core emotions all preceded moral refinement by ages.

When I open my eyes fully, I see but a single continued truth: that mankind has
progressively advanced across the ages. There is no single 100,1000 or even 10,000 year period where I can say for certain that no single event or period defined the previous or the next. Rather, it was a smooth upwards trend that has yet to end.

I'm a optimist, and I feel Cicero was as well. He marveled at the civilizations rising around him and figured: ''God!'' I can relate to his satisfaction for an increasingly robust moral compass. On the other, I will look at the systematic witch burnings, homosexual murders and extreme gender suppressions of Cicero's time and say: Dear, now is real progress!. And yet, religious institutions have regressed since his time.

The truth is both his era and ours show continued refinement, morally and intellectually. Atheism certainly can't claim anything without Theism. After all, the former wouldn't exist without the latter (as the prefix indicates!). To me, both ''-ism's'' attest to the perpetual motion of mankind, a kind where growth of both heart and mind have been simply irresistible :)

Hooray for man's progress,
Olivier
 
''The abstraction of good and evil''

Would it be wrong to accord the dissemination of good and evil to mankind himself? Of all literary, philosophical and intellectual frameworks, the concept of Good vs evil is one of the oldest on written record. Some will argue it's one of the earliest ''mysteries'' that man identified and began to address (we still haven't solved evil of course!)

Honestly, though, when I fathom the stupendous political, psychological, scientific and ethical advances of mankind in 2000 years I ask myself if recognizing good and evil wasn't just an appetizer for the unimaginably complex human being. Then, I begin to look at it in a broader context: language, humor, empathy, the core emotions all preceded moral refinement by ages.

When I open my eyes fully, I see but a single continued truth: that mankind has
progressively advanced across the ages. There is no single 100,1000 or even 10,000 year period where I can say for certain that no single event or period defined the previous or the next. Rather, it was a smooth upwards trend that has yet to end.

I'm a optimist, and I feel Cicero was as well. He marveled at the civilizations rising around him and figured: ''God!'' I can relate to his satisfaction for an increasingly robust moral compass. On the other, I will look at the systematic witch burnings, homosexual murders and extreme gender suppressions of Cicero's time and say: Dear, now is real progress!. And yet, religious institutions have regressed since his time.

The truth is both his era and ours show continued refinement, morally and intellectually. Atheism certainly can't claim anything without Theism. After all, the former wouldn't exist without the latter (as the prefix indicates!). To me, both ''-ism's'' attest to the perpetual motion of mankind, a kind where growth of both heart and mind have been simply irresistible :)

Hooray for man's progress,
Olivier
men's progress? you mean the a bomb? ww2 and ww1. yup progress. one cant forget these atrocities you know and i doubt those were the last.

the forgotten ones. the stalin purges and the mao purges.yup china, so a nice country. they sure have gotten so nice since we trade with them! yup they dont supress their citizens.

did i mention darfur? the taliban. the list goes on.hmm i dont know your age. In my lifetime schools went from safe and worry free from Guns and knifes to what has happened at columbian and later.Not that i'm paranoid on that but..

my dad can remember miami being so safe that you didnt have to lock your doors and windows.Try that today.
 
The truth is both his era and ours show continued refinement, morally and intellectually.
Hooray for man's progress,
Olivier

How do you measure refinement and progress on the moral level? How is any deed done under the sun inherently "negative?" Is the baboon wicked when he consumes his offspring, or the black widow, her mate? Is man? Who says? Its all about perspective in an atheist universe. Survival of the fittest. History written by the winners, along with morality. Some would say we have declined morally. Some durst even say we are descending from the pinnacle of the intellectual parabola as did Europe at the fall of the Roman empire.
 
men's progress? you mean the a bomb? ww2 and ww1. yup progress. one cant forget these atrocities you know and i doubt those were the last.

the forgotten ones. the stalin purges and the mao purges.yup china, so a nice country. they sure have gotten so nice since we trade with them! yup they dont supress their citizens.

did i mention darfur? the taliban. the list goes on.hmm i dont know your age. In my lifetime schools went from safe and worry free from Guns and knifes to what has happened at columbian and later.Not that i'm paranoid on that but..

my dad can remember miami being so safe that you didnt have to lock your doors and windows.Try that today.

I encourage you to look at broader measures of "progress'', particularly since we're discussing a human evolution that's occurred over tens of thousands of years. It's bold and far-fetched to assume Darfur, the Taliban and the U.S. haven't seen darker days.
What about life expectancy?
Level of education?
Level of democracy?
Quality of life?
Most people agree these numbers began rising around the enlightenment period, when we stopped persecuting people, science, philosophy and freedom on the basis of a biblical code. In fact, Christianity has had since it's arrival to demonstrate that it provides a strong moral backbone for society. Shall we compare the 3-16th centuries (where Christianity dominated moral conduct in Europe) with the 16-20th centuries (Where science and free thought took over)?

Secularism and atheism are complimentary of one another, yet theists everywhere embrace secularism and condone it's use. Take the U.S. for example, asking God to bless America on one hand, while installing secular (Separation of God and State) governments in foreign nations on the other. Kind of conflicting?

The moral innovations of Christian teachings are memorable: witch-burning, conquering and converting non-believers and castrating homosexuals were common exercises until the renaissance and subsequent enlightenment, where Christian moral were finally put in the back seat and conveniently "watered down".
 
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