Bible Study The Begotten Word of God

[Squeakybro]

THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD=(HE)(HE IS A SPIRITUAL TITLE OF AUTHORITY) THE ONLY BEGOTTEN WORD(HE) CAME THROUGH THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD (JESUS)
John 1:17-18
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
John 12:49-50
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
Heb 8:6
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
John 17:17
17 "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
I Jn 1:1-3
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-11
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
Heb 4:12-13
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
2 Pet 1:19-21
19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 16:15-16
15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Matt 6:22-24
22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
23 "But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
2Pet 3:16-17
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
II Jn 1:9-11
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
I Jn 1:1-5
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life--
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
I Jn 2:23-24
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(NKJ)
The Word of God is the power by which all things in heaven and earth submit. The Word came forth from God for all to receive this power. And the power was always given through a mediator. God was the original mediator that created it. Then the Word was given to the Holy Spirit that distributes it from each individuals conscience(book of beliefs) in their mind. If and only if that individual has read the bible and put it in their beliefs(conscience). And when an individual has died to self by following the Holy Spirit(verses) and been born again. Then Jesus takes over the Word through the revelations of Jesus Christ, and rewrites their belief system(conscience). The Word of God is the power that all will have to answer to. This power is what justifies or condemns all and everything. God created it the power, and is willing to share it with those who will submit to it. Jesus was the first to submit to it on earth fully, and by that He was our example of how to receive it. When one totally submits to it the power(Word) the Word becomes alive in them. And by becoming alive in them we see the Word become flesh.
Note in verse 14 He the Word is full of grace and truth. And in verse 17 that grace and truth came through Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is not the Word. Jesus Christ is the human that submitted to the Word as an example to us, to follow. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. That the only begotten Word of God came through.

2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
(NKJ)

 

[FreeGrace]

SqueakyBro,

What did you do... come here and post a couple of quick cut-n-pasted assertions that Jesus is not God? Well, I posted this on your other thread as well. Let's discuss your claims.

You do not understand the meaning of "firstborn" as used in the Bible. BTW, "begotten" just means "unique" - "one and only." Following is a rebuttal of your arguments regarding Christ as the first-born of all creation.

"There are several places in the NT where Christ is referred to as the firstborn (prototokos). But what exactly does that mean? Does it mean that after Mary gave birth to Him that she had other children as well, or does it have more of a theological meaning to it as used in the NT? Some think that it means that Jesus was a created being - the 1st of God's created beings.

Well, you may not like it SqueakyBro, but the Greek term prototokos can refer either to first in order of time, such as a first born child, or it could refer to one who is preeminent in rank - priority. In Colossians we need to take the usage in context to get a clear meaning.

The "firstborn" was either the eldest child in a family or a person of preeminent rank. It was used for both ideas - that is clear from the Greek - based on either Liddel & Scott or BGAD (the 2 foremost lexicons on the market) - both agree on this. The use of this term to describe the Davidic king in Psa. 88:28 in the Greek septuagint (Ps 89:27 in English), "I will also appoint him my firstborn (prototokon), the most exalted of the kings of the earth," indicates that it can denote supremacy in rank as well as priority in time. But whether the proto (first") part of the word indicates time or rank, the significance of the tokos element as indicating birth or origin (It comes from tikto in Greek, "to give birth to") has been virtually lost except in reference to literal birth. So in Col 1:15 the emphasis is clearly on the priority of Jesus' rank as over and above creation (compare Col. 1:16 and the "for" [Gk - hOTI] clause referring to Jesus as Creator).

Now "the term firstborn (prototokos) does not occur before the Septuagint (about 3rd century BC) in Greek. But in the instances where it does occur after this time, the idea of birth or origin is less prominent. Privilege rather than birthright is denoted in most instances." (Wilhelm Michaelis, TDNT, prototokos, vol.6, p.871)

The use of the term in the Septuagint mainly focuses on priority of rank - the one who has all the rights, privileges, & responsibilities of an heir - the one who enjoys a special relationship with God. It is not on priority in either time or origin. We cannot ignore this fact when considering its use in the NT.

So lets look at the context of Col. 1:18. The question here concerns the meaning of firstborn over all creation (prototokos pasas ktiseos). Does it mean by “firstborn of creation†that Jesus is seen as the 1st created thing in creation (a partitive genitive)? Or does it mean “firstborn over all creation†where Jesus is viewed as Lord over His creation (a genitive of subordination) and therefore distinct from it? This 2nd choice is the better & logical reading for several reasons:

What is the next thing we read? "Because" (Gk = hOTI). This doesn't make sense if Jesus was merely "firstborn of all creation." Also, in the same context we read that Jesus CREATED all things. You see, If Paul were trying to say that Christ was created, we would expect him to use protoktistos (“first-createdâ€Â) rather than prototokos (“firstbornâ€Â). Big difference in Greek. Paul was not saying that Jesus was the first created being, but that He was first-born... that He had those privileges.

Paul's arguments in Colossians itself clearly refer to Him as God. Look at Col. 2:9 "in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form." Or how about Col. 1:19 for immediate context? "For He (clearly God from context) was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in the Son." IOW, the Son is fully God. You can't take that verse out of its context.

You have to work hard to dodge the clear statements of deity in those two verses.

But back to the Greek grammar here. The genitive (In general, in Greek the genitive noun form indicates "description," FYI) construction “of all creation†is not simply arguing that Jesus was before all things, though that is certainly true, of course. If prototokos simply means that the Son was before the creation, then v. 17 is basically just repeating the same point. In v. 17 it says, “And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.†So priority in time is not the point of prototokos in v. 15. The point is that Christ is preeminent over all things. He is proclaimed as the creator in verses 15-18 and also as the Redeemer in those same verses. Because he is God, He is over all of creation in priority. That's his point.

And there is another key point about that expression "firstborn" that is missed when we focus on time only. God had a plan - to triumph over Satan. Satan was the greatest of all God's creation. How did God do that? By becoming man Himself. So it was appropriate to express Christ's preeminence in a way that also alluded to His birth and taking on a human body since this was how God triumphed over Satan. Incredible.

Look at how the NET expresses 1:18 -> He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning, the firstborn from among the dead so that he himself may become first in all things. preeminence is obvious, is it not?

And consider Heb. 1:6, where Christ is again referred to as the first born -> But when he again brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all the angels of God worship him!†Would the Father want angels to worship someone who was not God? Remember how often in the OT we are told that God is a jealous God? Also, when Thomas (the doubting one, you know) first saw Jesus after he had been resurrected from the dead he proclaimed, "My Lord and my God." And Jesus replied, "Because you have seen Me you have believed..." He did not rebuke Thomas for his declaration. So then He wanted Thomas to believe that He was God. He Himself knew that He was God. So if you want to think that Jesus was not God, you can certainly do so. But you cannot lift Him up - because then he has become a liar, a deceiver, & worse.

The typical answer for this one is lame... that Thomas was actually looking up and not addressing this proclamation toward Jesus.

What is the significance of your not thinking of Jesus as God in the flesh? You believe he was "a god," but not "God incarnate." So will you worship him? I think not. But Jesus is the firstborn over all creation. He is heir of all that He has made and all things find their meaning in him. He is the God we must worship. Go back and read that Colossians 1:15-19 passage more carefully.

What does it say about Jesus Christ in 1:17? That He is the very manifestation of God and He is the sovereign Creator & the Sustainer of the entire universe (vss. 15-17). All creation, visible & invisible, all the angelic beings, have their source in Him. How could He not be God? Just think about it genuinely for a moment, please.

Without the incarnation - God becoming flesh - there is no salvation and Christianity is just another religion. Think of it this way: God needed a ransom so that man might be forgiven, but only He Himself could meet His own demands. The ransom required was a sinless substitute - One who could die in our place. His death means little if He was not God, is not God or will not be God for all time.

I could post some stuff on John 1:1 if you really want to investigate this further. the ridiculous argument about a "missing"article reveals a basic misunderstanding about Greek grammar. But you don't need to know Greek to see the obvious teaching and intent of scripture. Just read those passages in context. They explain themselves.

I'm putting some things in rather strong language, I realize, but I'm doing that because I am genuinely concerned about you experiencing a Christ-less eternity. I mean no disrespect. But please do not disrespect your Creator. He is the Preminent One.

Thx,

FG

 

[Squeakybro]

Human Wisdom

I can see you rely on human wisdom alot. I dont rely on human wisdom.

1 Cor 2:4-7
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
(NKJ)

I didnt come to you with human wisdom in mind. I came to demonstrate the Spirit. And to show that my faith is in the Word of God not in mine or someone elses opinion about the Word.

 

[bibleberean]

squeakybro wrote:

"Jesus Christ is not the Word. Jesus Christ is the human that submitted to the Word as an example to us, to follow. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. That the only begotten Word of God came through. "

bibleberean responds:

Jesus Christ is the Word and He is God.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

The apostle Thomas called Jesus God.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

The Father called Jesus God

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

The Old Testament called the Son = God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus was sent by the God and His Spirit.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.


The LORD is the first and the last and Jesus is the first and the last.

Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Notice that there is no God besides the "first and the Last".

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus is God.

Jesus is from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The LORD is from everlasting:

Habakkuk 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.

Jesus is the Word in John 1:1

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word became flesh the word did not become God. He already was God.

He was God manifested in the flesh.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Squeakybro,

You are using the wisdom of men. You are not seeing the wisdom of God.

 

[FreeGrace]

Re: Human Wisdom

I can see you rely on human wisdom alot. I dont rely on human wisdom.

1 Cor 2:4-7
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
(NKJ)

I didnt come to you with human wisdom in mind. I came to demonstrate the Spirit. And to show that my faith is in the Word of God not in mine or someone elses opinion about the Word.

Squeaky,

I don't mean this disrespectfully... but your "wisdom" conflicts with the clear teachings of God's Word. Your perception about me relying on the wisdom of man is wrong, Squeaky. Sure, I have a background in Greek, but what matters here? God's Word. And you have twisted God's Word to say something it does not and cannot.

I will follow His Word, not your "wisdom." I addressed your comments above. Your comments regarding the Greek prototokos are not accurate. Do you have any comments regarding what I said earlier about this? I would like to talk about that.

You see, Squeaky, if you do not believe that Jesus is God's Son and fully God, then you are not saved. I fear for your soul. This is a serious matter - not a matter of winning some intellectual debate. There is only one thing that will blind you to the truth, Squeaky... pride. So let's both set that aside and genuinely consider the Word of God.

Let's talk.

FG

 

[Squeakybro]

Where Is The Word

you said
You see, Squeaky, if you do not believe that Jesus is God's Son and fully God, then you are not saved. I fear for your soul. This is a serious matter - not a matter of winning some intellectual debate. There is only one thing that will blind you to the truth, Squeaky... pride. So let's both set that aside and genuinely consider the Word of God.

I said
You see when I testify I prove it with the Word. You cant show me anywhere in the Word of God where it says Jesus is fully God. You cant show me because it doesnt say that. These are the revelations of Jesus Christ that Paul spoke of through the Holy Spirit. And it seems you are rejecting the Word of God based on your own opinion. And I will be glad to discuss anything.l

 

[bibleberean]

Jesus is fully God and fully man.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Don't need to speak and read Greek to understand that.

Thomas touched Christ in the flesh and calls Jesus God!

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

How plain does English have to be to understand that?

:o

 

[Squeakybro]

I know

you said
How plain does English have to be to understand that?

I said
I know. Even Jesus made it easy for us. When Jesus said there is only one God the Father.

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

I have to also agree with Paul when he said there is only one God the Father.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

These are factual verses. And yet there are those that take circumstantial verses like John 20-28 and read something into them that just isnt there.

John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
(NKJ)

Now I know the Holy Spirit and it would be easy if everyone knew Him. Then they could do what I do and just ask. Why did Thomas use the terms My Lord and my God?
And the Holy Spirit answers this

2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

Thomas was addressing Jesus and God the Father that was in Christ.

 

[Free]

SB,

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
...
Thomas was addressing Jesus and God the Father that was in Christ.

If God the Father was in Jesus, why did Jesus raise his eyes to heaven to pray to the Father?

John 11:41, "So they removed the stone. Then Jesus raised His eyes, and said, "Father, I thank You that You have heard Me."

What about "The Lord's Prayer" - "Our Father, who is in heaven" (Matt. 6:10,14)?

 

[Squeakybro]

Confusion

Instead of asking more questions why dont you ask yourself why you cant believe this verse. It is the Word of God, and it is point blank. When you ask questions that clearly go against the Word of God, that is only evidence that the devil has you deceived inside.
2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

 

[Free]

SB,

Instead of asking more questions why dont you ask yourself why you cant believe this verse. It is the Word of God, and it is point blank. When you ask questions that clearly go against the Word of God, that is only evidence that the devil has you deceived inside.

I have pointed out that what you are saying is in direct contradiction to the Bible. I have simply asked yo usome questions for which you have not provided any answer.

So I ask you again: Why did Jesus raise his eyes to heaven to pray to the Father and why did he tell the disciples to pray to the Father who is in heaven? These should be simple questions for someone as enlightened by the Holy Spirit as you.

 

[Squeakybro]

?

you said
So I ask you again: Why did Jesus raise his eyes to heaven to pray to the Father and why did he tell the disciples to pray to the Father who is in heaven? These should be simple questions for someone as enlightened by the Holy Spirit as you.

I said
You still dont get it. Jesus was and is our example. He done alot of stuff just for an example for us. And I have answered all your questions-spiritually. I just dont think you can see it. Even in your doubt look at what you said"tell the disciples to pray to the Father". The disciples didnt know that God was working through Jesus. They dont know that until they are apostles.

 

[Free]

So what you're saying is that Jesus deceived the disciples by making them think that the Father was in heaven when really he was in Jesus. How good of an example is that?

 

[Squeakybro]

Heckler

you said
So what you're saying is that Jesus deceived the disciples by making them think that the Father was in heaven when really he was in Jesus. How good of an example is that?

I said
Nobody is that ignorant. Hasnt anyone ever told you about omnipresent. God can be everywhere at the same time. Your starting to sound like one of them cheep hecklers working for the devil.

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NKJ)

If one has the Word of God abiding in them it is the same thing as having God abiding in them.

 

[Free]

SB,

Your starting to sound like one of them cheep hecklers working for the devil.

Be very, very careful with statements like that.

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NKJ)

If one has the Word of God abiding in them it is the same thing as having God abiding in them.

Verse 14 states that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. The Word is the preincarnate Christ who both was with God and was God. This passage explicitly declares the deity of Christ and his equality with the Father, although remaining distinct from the Father.

 

[Squeakybro]

guile

you said
Verse 14 states that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. The Word is the preincarnate Christ who both was with God and was God. This passage explicitly declares the deity of Christ and his equality with the Father, although remaining distinct from the Father.

I said
That is a twisted perversion that your useing. You seem to have alot of carnal opinion but no verses to support your carnality. Which is why you only talk carnal instead of spiritually.

Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
(NKJ)

Every christian knows that to talk bible one has to quote bible. Only hypocrites try to keep it carnal. Sorry but I was sure you knew that.

 

[Free]

SB,

That is a twisted perversion that your useing. You seem to have alot of carnal opinion but no verses to support your carnality.

John 1:1-4,14, "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.

14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

There is nothing twisted about it, it is clear as day. It is also orthodoxy.

Which is why you only talk carnal instead of spiritually.

Only hypocrites try to keep it carnal. Sorry but I was sure you knew that.

You are really pushing your luck.

 

[Squeakybro]

Duh

you said
There is nothing twisted about it, it is clear as day. It is also orthodoxy.

I said
The verse isnt twisted, your understanding is. Do you even know what orthodox means?

 

[Free]

And just what is twisted about my understanding of the verse? Perhaps you can enlighten me, show me where I am wrong. It still is orthodoxy.

 

[Squeakybro]

Again

you said
It still is orthodoxy.

I said
Again I ask do you know what orthodox means?

After seeing the way you ask questions I would also like to know if you had a bad childhood. Do you hate your parents?