Bible Study The Begotten Word of God

[Squeakybro]

Vice you said
If he were open to using intellect, reasoning from the scriptures, and honest Bible study, he would see that the word "Deity" is most certainly in the Bible. It occurs in the original Greek in Colossians 2:9 - theotaitos, which translates as either Godhead or Deity.

I said
That is a very good example of perversion. When you said"that the word "Deity" is most certainly in the bible, and it isnt. Then you went on to say "which translates". Can you spell "perversion"?

 

[Vice]

I said
That is a very good example of perversion. When you said"that the word "Deity" is most certainly in the bible, and it isnt. Then you went on to say "which translates". Can you spell "perversion"?

Get a clue.

The Bible was originall written in the languages of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramiac -- NOT ENGLISH, as you seem to want to believe. Therefore, if the original Greek New Testament text specifically states that "the fulness of Deity" dwells in Jesus, then "the fulness of Deity" dwells in Jesus in any English translations as well (or any other language, for that matter).

How does translation equal perversion? When an international interpreter translates to a foreign ambassador, is he perverting or translating? When a foreigner needs someone to interpret map directions for him, is he wanting someone to pervert the map directions or interpret them into his own language? Is the Bible version you are using the New King James TRANSLATION or the New King James PERVERSION?

Translation is simply "rendering from one language into another." That is what many of us are doing with the Greek and Hebrew. It is not evil. It is not perverted. And if you actually opened your eyes, you would see that even the Gospel writers translated:

"He took her by the hand and said to her, "Talitha Koum! (which means, "Little girl, I say to you, get up!"). Mark 5:41

"About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Matthew 27:46

Were Matthew and Mark perverting what they heard Jesus say, or were they translating from the language Jesus spoke to the language of their readers? Since I am becoming familiar with your modus operandi, I predict that you will find a way to state that Matthew and Mark were translating while we're all perverting. I also predict that you will come up with more of your brilliant pontifications.

Translation does NOT--I repeat, does NOT--equal PERVERSION. Your interpretation of the Bible, however, does indeed equal perversion.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Users, please bring the tension down a level. Thanks. 8-)

 

[Squeakybro]

you said

How does translation equal perversion? When an international interpreter translates to a foreign ambassador, is he perverting or translating?

I said
When you said the word deity is most certainly in the bible, and what you meant was the translation is in the bible that is perversion(or lie). God has delivered us His Word in our language. And when we make a claim that a word(in our language) is in the bible and it isnt that is a lie. I'm sorry but let God do the interpreting not us. Your assuming that everyone sees your assumption and they dont. Dont make a claim that a "word is" in the bible if it isnt. Let others find their definitions.

Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(NKJ)

Do you accept Websters definition of deity? That Jesus is inferior to God but superior to man.

deity 1 a: often cap : divine nature or rank: the essintial nature of a god or of a supreme being: DIVINITY

di-vin-i-ty 1:the quality or state of being divine: nature or essence of God: GODHEAD (the divinity of Jesus) a celestial being inferior to the supreme God but superior to man<one of the subservient divinities>

 

[Vice]

Users, please bring the tension down a level. Thanks. 8-)

Point taken, but I have to admit that he sure doesn't make it easy.

I said
When you said the word deity is most certainly in the bible, and what you meant was the translation is in the bible that is perversion(or lie). God has delivered us His Word in our language. And when we make a claim that a word(in our language) is in the bible and it isnt that is a lie. I'm sorry but let God do the interpreting not us. Your assuming that everyone sees your assumption and they dont. Dont make a claim that a "word is" in the bible if it isnt. Let others find their definitions.

God has delivered his Word to us in our language. This is what Colossians 2:9 says in my language in a number of very accurate Bible translations, as well as the Greek:

New American Standard - "For in him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form."

New International Version - "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."

Revised Standard Version - "For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily."

Nestle-Aland 27th edition (Greek) - "hoti en auto katoikei pan to pleiroma teis theoteitos somatikos."

Just pick up another translation other than your New King James Bible and have a look. Your New King James Bible translation isn't God's divinely appointed translation in English, barring all other translations. The Word "deity" is deifinitely in the Bible, and Jesus is definitely "deity" even if you don't like it. No one has added anything to the Bible; that word is already in there.

Do you accept Websters definition of deity? That Jesus is inferior to God but superior to man.

You even interpret your dictionary definitions with an Arian slant. Tell me this--why is it that the first or second definitions of Jesus as "deity" aren't good enough for you, and so you move to the last definition of "divinity?" The term "divinity" never, ever refers to Jesus in the Bible (except when Epicurians and Stoics were puzzled by Paul's message), but the term "deity" does refer to Jesus in Colossians 2:9. By calling Jesus "divinity," you've set yourself up for the plurality of gods -- God and demigods. How does that sit with you?

Actually, don't even bother answering. I'm done with this thread. As others have said, you don't "play fair" in your Bible Studies.

 

[Squeakybro]

That is an easy way to slide deception into the Word of God. Now the only authorized versions of the Word of God are the KJV and the NKJV. And we know that satan sent a flood of false doctrines out there. Even those that worship trees have a doctrine. Maybe you have a copy of that one also. But for me and the Spirit led we will stick with the KJV.

1 Tim 4:1-2

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
(NKJ)

 

[Squeakybro]

I dont even have a problem with the word deity. Its the way you try to pervert the definition of it. Its the way you try to change the definition to fit the deception of the trinity.

deity 1 a: often cap : divine nature or rank: the essintial nature of a god or of a supreme being: DIVINITY

di-vin-i-ty 1:the quality or state of being divine: nature or essence of God: GODHEAD (the divinity of Jesus) a celestial being inferior to the supreme God but superior to man<one of the subservient divinities>

 

[Squeakybro]

Take a good look at the word you all are replacing. It is Godhead, that is what the Word of God says. Not even the bible dictionary uses the word deity. It uses divinity and divinity is that Jesus is inferior to God but superior to man. Why do you all want to add words to the Word of God and then add definitions to the words that your adding to the Word of God. Can you spell deception?

2304 theios (thi'-os);

from 2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity):

KJV-- divine, godhead.

2305 theiotes (thi-ot'-ace);

from 2304; divinity (abstractly):

KJV-- godhead.

 

[Elijah message]

Begotten??

See if this helps, :fadein:

 

[Squeakybro]

Pastor N B did you post your reply on the right thread? I have no idea of what point your trying to make in reguard to the other posts.