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The best thing i have seen and heard for a very long time

Jason im glad you raise the point, abortion has just become so expectable in a throw away society, there may be exceptional circumstances,
we dont want to be like the mob, calling for the women to be stoned, on the other hand, it can be more about convienence,
what are your thoughts around the morning after pill?

This is my point of this thread, that has nothing to do with david icke, whose views i do not hold with, on most things, another guru leading people up the garden path, doing very nicely out of it.

if you swap one false reality, dream world for another, youre still in dream land.

we are tolled about God sending a strong dellusion, also that the whole world will go after the beast, worship his image, and take his mark,

which flys in the face of what mr icke teachers, who in reality has lost way. leading people a stray.

Jesus said you are either with him, gathering or you are scattering. you are with him or agaisnt him.

but this thread is about some one speaking up making their voice heard, saying this is wrong, the same is true about abortion, and the medical malpratice,
which im sure to is a trade in death, that some people are doing very nicly out of it, like wise war and genocide.

johnny
 
Huh? So we're only gonna shine a light on the biggest killing method in the world and the rest of the bad guys slip through the net?

What?

i dont buy his theory at all. as torch said it best.

google how many of died from wars in the 20 th century vs the abortions since its been legal since the hitler regime or earlier and take notice of the difference.

way more die that way then you think.

and margaret sanger who founded planned parenthood was a eugencist!

so you tell me.
 
you two really love each other dont you, this is a big factor, the lack of true love, love would not do these things.
where is the love,

johnny
 
i dont buy his theory at all. as torch said it best.

google how many of died from wars in the 20 th century vs the abortions since its been legal since the hitler regime or earlier and take notice of the difference.

way more die that way then you think.

and margaret sanger who founded planned parenthood was a eugencist!

so you tell me.

Huh? What theory do you think I'm sellin'?

I'm saying so what if abortion is the biggest killer. Ok fine I'm quite open to that possibility, but does that mean we completely ignore war criminals and other killers?

I dont understand why you want us to shut up and stop talking about what we want to talk about just coz war hasn't caused as many deaths as abortion?
 
you two really love each other dont you, this is a big factor, the lack of true love, love would not do these things.
where is the love,

johnny

Truth is love JB.

I keep offering it to Jason and he keeps rejecting it.

And when he's forced to accept it he credits other people as giving it to him.
 
Icke has done a job on you. He has convinced you to disregard all the political truth (which cannot be refuted) because of all the wacky alien/reptilian bunk (which is easily refuted). This is his job whether he knows it or not. He's a disinfo agent.

I've got about 100 quotes from politicians themselves talking about their new world order / one world government. Shall I post them for you?


Yes. Post them.... IN CONTEXT. I'm sure you'll start with George W. Bush, since his was one of the most recent "claims." I even remember the speech myself.

As for Icke being a disinfo agent, he's also a kook. His "political truth" can easily be refuted with common sense.
 
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you make me laugh, you the one who does not believe in an inner circle, or the black pope exsists.

often the outer court ie masons, catholics, have no idea, what is happening within the inner circle, often we only see the hand that is being played not the hidden hand.

and you call me clueless? joke

No, calling you clueless isn't a joke. Harsh as it might be, you're proving it over and over again. You cannot offer one shred of proof a to any of this existing. I, on the other hand, can. I have estblished, writen history on my side. You have what?

As strangelove pointed out... History is writen by the winners. And there is a very good reason for that. They deserve to write history. They won.

Think about this: If there really was a new world order of illuminati that has been established and is trying to control the world in secret, then why aren't they silencing the people who are talking about them in very public forums? Turn on Discovery Channel or go on the internet or go to a section in Barnes and Nobel and you can find books and programs talking about this kind of stuff, regardless of how little sense it makes. The names of the speakers/authors are right there, as is all their information. If the alleged illuminati wants to remain secret, why don't these powerful people silence those talking about them? It should be no problem. They obviously control all aspects of the media and the government. Wipe these cats off the face of the Earth.

If the Catholic church is some demonic cult, then how did all the other branches of Christianity spring out of it? Baptist, Luthern, Presbyterian (I hope I spelled that right), etc. Are you saying that for centuries, there was no true Christian church, and all of a sudden.... poof! Its back? Please tell me that this isn't going to lead to the "Trail of Blood" fairytale.

Ask why no one to constantiens aid, WHY christians here and in North Africa were cut down by islamic forces, who would not come under Rome, in opposition to Rome, islamic forces hired by the Pope to do his dirty work.

Hoping Hitler would crush the Russian orthadox church, along with Russia.

Proof please? You're the one making these claims. Let's see some actual, historical proof of this. Otherwise, its just smoke in the wind.

its not an exact science but you can get a rough idea, how things work are working, why some things are happening as they are,

This isn't a science at all. Its called furtive fallacy.

Ezekiel was led through Jerusalem , and shown what was takin place even behind closed doors, worshipping the sun ect. so we to can gain an insight understanding as to what is going on, taking place.

for a few of you here, seeing you either cannot read, or cannot process information. but i will say it again, i do not hold with the views of David Icke, this is not about David Icke, it is about a foru, one of many people visit, apart of, many looking for answers, Jesus is the answer , they are looking for, christian input is welcome by most.

a good place to conect with people and share your faith. is this really to hard to comprehend. its about people,
shining light in darkness,
and this thread was about one mans brave enough, to shine a light on peoples pain and suffering, and those responsable, accountable. into the darkness and exposed a genocide. johnny

some of the replies received at the david icke forum

what others have been saying about the same posts.

when the right gate is opened...Johnny you are doing a good thing... Listen to Johnnies Seed... His seed of thought...

yes chip1 ,it's called 'be prepared'........

hi johnny....your posts are really interesting, thankyou.


Hi Johnny,

Keep up the great work, I think your posts are awesome I love reading them they say so much for those with the eyes to see it, the people that are insulting and attacking you either have an agenda to stop/spoil your message or they have their heads stuck in the sand and can't see behind the false reality that's been created for them, George Washington played an integral part in the assendancy of the USA how symbolic it would be for his name to play an integral part in the demise of the USA……..keep it coming Johnny

 
Originally Posted by zenith82
You crack me up Johnny Never ever give up! You're special

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Only about 5% of the human population ever see as far ahead as Johnny...

The rest are stragglers.....get over it......

what a bunch of people say on David Icke's forum does nothing to convince me that you're right. Think of what these people are also reading and believing in.... further lies. You might be trying to do a good thing by bringing these people to Jesus, Johnny, but be careful that you don't get caught up in the occult yourself. Be on guard against what you're supposed to be fighting against.
 
its NOT ROCKET SCIENCE , evil is alive in the hearts of men. Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of this world, if he would bow down and worsip him, there are those who have accepted satans offer,
satan referred to as the god of this world,
Many people dont believe satan exsists, why dosnt he take it up with the people who expose him and his workings among men.
As their have always been secret orders, inner circles, in control manipulating the affairs of men, do you really think , these people in their postion, serving satan, are going to be concerned by any thing you say.

You should have the spirit of truth in you, can be shown or given revelation, and you dont believe such exsists.
how much more Joe puplic.
Like the wind, you can not see it, but you can see the trail of destruction, after the storm has passed.

As for providing all the evidence just search on line, just takes you one or two clicks of a mouse, such is the information age we live in at our desposal,

like wise not what this thread was about, but as you mention it praying to the saints, the virgin mary, I lived in Spain, went in large quiet oppressive cathedrels, people kneeling down, praying to idols of the virgin mary. where does this fit in the scheme of things, and this is blantent, if this is what they do in the light, imagine what goes on in the dark, behind closed doors, dosnt take much stretch of the imagination, such is the heart of man.

why keep the word of God in latan, kill and persecuted millions in the inquisitions, many true belivers killed,
tortured, bibles burnt.

Jesus said men would do such things as they do not know me or the father.

As Keven Annett and i agree christaintyhas been hijacked by church religion and state as a means to an end. God is not there.

Its not just the Catholics, Anglicans how can a gay man be a minister of God, joke. as most traditional religion. Charasmatics some all about control, baptists and brethren who denie the spirit and power of God,
and so the list could go on. honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from me.

and you call me clueless what do you do for an encore, you harp on about, icke, whose teachings i do not hold with, its a bit like chewing at a nat, and swallowing a camel, hope it dosnt get stuck in your front.
johnny
 
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its NOT ROCKET SCIENCE , evil is alive in the hearts of men. Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of this world, if he would bow down and worsip him, there are those who have accepted satans offer,
satan referred to as the god of this world,
Many people dont believe satan exsists, why dosnt he take it up with the people who expose him and his workings among men.
As their have always been secret orders, inner circles, in control manipulating the affairs of men, do you really think , these people in their postion, serving satan, are going to be concerned by any thing you say.

You should have the spirit of truth in you, can be shown or given revelation, and you dont believe such exsists.
how much more Joe puplic.
Like the wind, you can not see it, but you can see the trail of destruction, after the storm has passed.

As for providing all the evidence just search on line, just takes you one or two clicks of a mouse, such is the information age we live in at our desposal,

like wise not what this thread was about, but as you mention it praying to the saints, the virgin mary, I lived in Spain, went in large quiet oppressive cathedrels, people kneeling down, praying to idols of the virgin mary. where does this fit in the scheme of things, and this is blantent, if this is what they do in the light, imagine what goes on in the dark, behind closed doors, dosnt take much stretch of the imagination, such is the heart of man.

why keep the word of God in latan, kill and persecuted millions in the inquisitions, many true belivers killed,
tortured, bibles burnt.

Jesus said men would do such things as they do not know me or the father.

As Keven Annett and i agree christaintyhas been hijacked by church religion and state as a means to an end. God is not there.

Its not just the Catholics, Anglicans how can a gay man be a minister of God, joke. as most traditional religion. Charasmatics some all about control, baptists and brethren who denie the spirit and power of God,
and so the list could go on. honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from me.

and you call me clueless what do you do for an encore, you harp on about, icke, whose teachings i do not hold with, its a bit like chewing at a nat, and swallowing a camel, hope it dosnt get stuck in your front.
johnny


I don't have to do anything for an encore. You've provided all the entertainment a guy could ask for with your baseless lunacy, and from what I read, hypocracy. I ask you for proof, and you present nothing but accusations upon accusations. You quote Scripture, but clearly have no clue what it means (listening, but not hearing at its finest). You talk about Catholic traditions that don't exist or are Biblical and you don't understand them. You take the words of mad men and idiots, but don't look closely at the Word of God and study its Truth.

The Spirit of God IS within me. I have long been saved, and I don't need to deal with anymore of this hogwash when you won't listen to reason. I wash my hands of you and this New Age filth that is being peddled. I'm sorry, and I will be praying for you to the God who saves.
 
none so blind as those who think they can see, what im saying is we aint there yet, having a form of Godleness, and dening the power there of. isnt going to cut it.
nor will apostate false religion .
those who say we are rich and increased in goods and have need of nothing, but are really wretched poor blind and naked.

its not just what is in front of you, you cannot see, but what is coming up behind you.

you should go into the theater you,d make a good drama queen, you so need to get over your self.

how many mirrors do you have in your house, mirror mirror on the wall. cor you love your old self dont you, oh high and mighty one, you say you are filled with the spirit of the Lord, you sure, being so full of your self,is there any room left?
watch your head on the way out. i wouldnt suggest you post on a conspiracy forum, or share with the hard core truth movement, new age ect, with an attitude like that, they d eat you alive.
they often share about christains who they know or have come across.

who can do nothing eles but character assasinate , and totaly misrepresent people, talking to you, i see what they mean.

let me ask you a question oh high a mighty one, champion of truth, if some one said to you, prove God exsists, you give me 100 percent proof, then ill believe , what would you say?

im listening im all ears. johnny
 
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none so blind as those who think they can see,

So how is that seeing eye dog working out?

you should go into the theater you,d make a good drama queen, you so need to get over your self.

Huh? You get that from where? Simply because I refuse to buy into some ridiculous conspiracy theory put out by cultists and that you continually refuse to post any evidence of, I am a drama queen? I guess its better to be that than misled into darkness, and I refuse to have the latter happen to me.

how many mirrors do you have in your house, mirror mirror on the wall. cor you love your old self dont you, oh high and mighty one, you say you are filled with the spirit of the Lord, you sure, being so full of your self,is there any room left?
watch your head on the way out.

I would dare to say that this is the pot calling the kettle black.

i wouldnt suggest you post on a conspiracy forum, or share with the hard core truth movement, new age ect, with an attitude like that, they d eat you alive.

Hardly

they often share about christains who they know or have come across.

who can do nothing eles but character assasinate , and totaly misrepresent people, talking to you, i see what they mean.

Where have I misrepresented people or assassinated character? I haven't made claims that I cannot back up. How about yourself? You have yet to back up any of the claims you've made with any hard facts. The only proof I've seen from you is your quotes from people on a paranormal site who say they like what you post. Johnny, that doesn't cut it. Give me something concrete. Otherwise, you're the one assassinating character. Character of God's church, of government officials, anyone who disagrees with you. And you are the one misrepresenting people and facts. Please take a serious look at this. :sad

let me ask you a question oh high a mighty one, champion of truth, if some one said to you, prove God exsists, you give me 100 percent proof, then ill believe , what would you say?

im listening im all ears. johnny

Wow. Sarcasm. How cute. :)

For myself, the very fact that I'm still standing in front of you today is proof that God exists. The fact that this world can be filled with so many unique individuals, and that over millions of years, not a single one is or ever has been the same as the next is proof that God exists.

However, there is no way one can prove to another person that God exists. Each person can be presented with evidence of God existing, but to each person, it will take something different to prove that point undisputedly. Some people, unfortunately, never find that proof. Which is why each of us is called by Christ in his Great Commission to spread the Word of God to all ends of the Earth. So that more and more people might find that proof that they need and see God for what He is, and accept Him through Jesus Christ, the Eternal Savior.

This is why a belief in God is called "faith." One must have faith to believe in something that cannot be conclussively proven through conventional means to others. And when it comes to faith, the "proof" that each person needs will varry.
 
Just for you, not my intention to fill this thread up with such, never my intension. i tolled you to search, took me two clicks to find this, put black pope, who you say dosnt exsist, the Grand Genral of the jesuits, not even two minuets, maybe in your case, you dont want to see.

What i find intresting so often its people out side of the church though the church is meant to be the light of the world, like Keven Annett who are exposing darkness, hidden agendas, murder, genocide, corruption, spiritual wickness.
Water gate, corruption in the banking sector ect those running things,, assasinations, any number of topics, have been exposed, look at what happened to the US Liberty.
And you label them as filth, how sad you are, in the same breath you call your self an Ambassator of the light, God.
Bigot comes to mind. another example one of many take Jessie Ventura goole the end game

quiet an eye opener. to say the least.

like i said, people have no idea, what is happening, what will happen, for most they will not see it coming until its to late.

Jessie Ventura and George Green - The End Game

Click here to watch ...



whats your thoughts about prostitutes and drug addicts. ?

For me i like to have a genral idea about the world around me, how it works, why certain things happen, even at times it may be a rough idea, can be speculation, a possability, but it setles my mind answers the questions i find my self asking, its like a car, mobile phone a computer, i couldnt tell you how every component works, but i have a rough idea how these things work.

Like wise end time events. the church. coming persecution. The rapture. the return of Jesus, the anti christ.

I see the every thing in place now for instance, that a world goverment anti christ system could be implimented,

or the reality of the micro chip, and the part this may play in future events. just for you, as you insist.
The black pope, who you say is a myth. a lie, untrue dosnt exsist. ect.

there is alot more information on line concerning any of the points i raised, and yes some dosnt stack up, but on the other hand a lot of it does, you tube , Google jesuits, illiminati , freemasonary, just two topics there role in the past, their role at this present time. shadow goverments.

whose pulling your strings.

The "Black" Pope this artical was 68.000 charaters long can only post 10,000 here, so much much more information , avavlable, just search black pope, the most power full man in the world. this is not even the tip of the ice berg, much more is reveiled.

im asked to provide proof, most articals would be far to big to post here. do i hold with every thing being said no, but some of it holds water.

Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General



4/15/00 RICK MARTIN
So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the main players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been hearing for years about (or bumped into on your own) the various elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.

You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists (who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished from the biblical Judeans), or the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters) controlling the economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of 300 (the 17 wealthiest so-called "elite" families)—the Rothschild's in England and Rockefellers in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on, comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under the direction of darkly motivated, other-dimensional "master deceivers" commonly known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.

While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture, what you are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure. And I don’t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from general public view, and for so long—that even the most studied of "conspiracy theory" scholars probably have not put together much of the information that is going to be presented here.

To call the following outlay "controversial" and "sensitive" is about as mild an understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This missing link changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally able to speak with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on Tuesday, March 14. There was simply no other way to cover Eric’s historic masterpiece spanning, literally, five centuries, than to just ask questions covering huge spans of time and major historical events. It took us almost four hours to accomplish the task, yet we could easily have gone on for another forty.

We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce the importance of this work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In fact, in order to share this material with at least some of the pertinent backup, Eric has granted us permission to print (directly after the interview) several excerpts from his soon-to-be-published book which will help you in understanding certain aspects of this magnificently important and broad-sweeping story. The missing link is surely a central link.

Let’s call this story the "Jesuit-Vatican connection" to the unfolding New World Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely central, yet well hidden, has been this link! There’s a good reason the secret Vatican library is so extensive and yet remains so intact from outside intrusion, despite the many others who would like to possess such a collection of information detailing much "censored" data about our true, otherworldly cultural heritage.

When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can’t help but reflect back on the purposely "adjusted" and watered down and boring moments in high school history class. Meanwhile, the true history of what has gone on is dynamic and full of calculated intrigue.
 
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What do you see?

what do you see jonny? share it with us mate why not what you got to lose.like you say nobody knows for sure whats going to happen. or do they lets see how people see this playing out instead of lisening to this guy in the vid


its nice to be asked, and you have the opportunity to share, insight understanding with one another.

no ones got all the answers, no one i know, talking of men, often when we put the pieces together, we can see more clearly. johnny
 
Where have I misrepresented people or assassinated character? I haven't made claims that I cannot back up. How about yourself? You have yet to back up any of the claims you've made with any hard facts. The only proof I've seen from you is your quotes from people on a paranormal site who say they like what you post. Johnny, that doesn't cut it. Give me something concrete. Otherwise, you're the one assassinating character. Character of God's church, of government officials, anyone who disagrees with you. And you are the one misrepresenting people and facts. Please take a serious look at this. :sad

Plenty of evidene coming forward in the NWO thread Torch.

Are you avoiding that thread now?

http://www.christianforums.net/f20/new-world-order-31713/
 
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