The Bible is only one True Theology

[Natha]

In these days many many denominations are raising..
many individual missions are raising..
Every denomination is with their own theology and doctrine very very sad
Bible = Biblical instructions Before Leaving Earth..
Bible only the authority to give clear Theology and correct theology
We can see more translations... very very sad... as translations are growing.. truth is diluting ...
So if we want to grow and learn theology .. we need to focus on Bible only

Theology = Theos + Logos

Theos means God ...
Logos means word...

Theology = God's word..
Word of God is only author for theology stuff
so let us depend on word of God.. not on other books..
God bless you all

 

[LovethroughDove]

I like this. Also, Jesus is the Word. :shades
Knowing him, is knowing the word.

Now, I don't promote not reading the Bible. Cause how would we know who Jesus really is without reading the Bible. But, there probably are those infants out there that really know who he is, without diving deep into the Word.

Hebrews 5:13-14 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Eat up the Word people!!!

 

[Christ_empowered]

-sigh- i wish it was that simple. maybe it is? The Good News...

Our Redeemer lives!

i think there's a place for some theological -discussion- , but I also think sometimes...stick to basics. Actually...in terms of my own walk, I think of things thru a TULIP, basic Calvinist lens, but...I'm really glad I came to know Jesus, I am beginning to love Him more, and I pray for others to come to know Him, too...

so, yeah...rubber hits the road, the basics are vital.

 

[daninthelionsden]

-sigh- i wish it was that simple. maybe it is? The Good News...

Our Redeemer lives!

i think there's a place for some theological -discussion- , but I also think sometimes...stick to basics. Actually...in terms of my own walk, I think of things thru a TULIP, basic Calvinist lens, but...I'm really glad I came to know Jesus, I am beginning to love Him more, and I pray for others to come to know Him, too...

so, yeah...rubber hits the road, the basics are vital.

Rubber hits the road....yeah.....I take that as application. I would much rather be around a christian who knows maybe not much of the Word yet bountifully applies what they know than one who knows the Word inside-out yet has no sense of the critical need of application. A thousand words ring hollow without application.

 

[for_his_glory]

Why do others make the Bible so hard to understand. God spoke it, Apostles were inspired by God to write what He spoke and that's good enough for this ole country girl to understand.

Don't get me wrong as it's good to discuss the things we might not understand as some are yet on milk and some very deep into the meat of God's word. Discussions help many to grow stronger as we nourish each other in all truths found from Genesis to Revelations.

God said it, I believe it, and that's that.

 

[Who Me]

In these days many many denominations are raising..
many individual missions are raising..
Every denomination is with their own theology and doctrine very very sad
Bible = Biblical instructions Before Leaving Earth..
Bible only the authority to give clear Theology and correct theology
We can see more translations... very very sad... as translations are growing.. truth is diluting ...
So if we want to grow and learn theology .. we need to focus on Bible only

Sorry but it is false to say that every denomination is raising irs own theology and doctrine.

That denominations have there own distintive emphersis or historical reason for exsisting, but that is not the same as forming there own theology.

Equally to say that more bible translations dilutes the truth is again false.

Every Christian translation is the work of several different teams that constantly check each others work for accuracy, and readability.

The gospel is both very simple and very complex.
It can be taught to young children and also used to challenge professors of philosophy.

 

[Natha]

Sorry but it is false to say that every denomination is raising irs own theology and doctrine.

That denominations have there own distintive emphersis or historical reason for exsisting, but that is not the same as forming there own theology.

Equally to say that more bible translations dilutes the truth is again false.

Every Christian translation is the work of several different teams that constantly check each others work for accuracy, and readability.

The gospel is both very simple and very complex.
It can be taught to young children and also used to challenge professors of philosophy.

I am very sorry to reject your opinion
if every translation is good... what is the need for another new translation?
Every translation is giving some errors with own understanding..
no team members of translation is not spirit filled people like Bible original writers
Every translation team is doing some mistakes..
pl go and check
this is why another new translation is raising..
So what i am saying ..is,. the original Bible is right... others nothing need ...

 

[Who Me]

if every translation is good... what is the need for another new translation?

I did not say every translation is good.
Some translation go towards making it very readable, others towards being a literal translation, other veer between these two extremes.

So what i am saying ..is,. the original Bible is right... others nothing need ...

You are of course fluent in hebrew, greek and aramaic and are not dependant on the translation skills of a 16 centuary scholar.

Or are you one of those mystics who believe that only the authorised version was trnslated by a God guided priest to make an invalable translation.

 

[Serving Zion]

Why do others make the Bible so hard to understand. God spoke it, Apostles were inspired by God to write what He spoke and that's good enough for this ole country girl to understand.

Well, some people really don't want to understand what the bible says, when it really comes down to it. They only want to think that everything is good between them and God, which is a motive based in insecurity rather than a love for the truth. I think most Christians have been caught by that net (I made it literally sound like they are "fishing for men", as Jesus said).

But the gate is narrow that leads to life, and the way is difficult. Few go that way. You seem pretty content in your reading, so it's fine by me. But there are people who ask questions that maybe you have not thought much of, and as they dig deep to find the answers to their satisfaction, (and I am one who does that), we find that actually there are quite significant distortions to the messages that come through various translators, and not many readers pay attention enough to spot the difference between what is being said and what they think is being said. In fact, the translators themselves are quite prone to that problem, "doctrinal bias", in their reading .. so we find that they are often saying a much different thing than what the spirit of the original scriptures is saying.

It's partly because of a deep culture of traditional doctrinal prejudice, and also partly cemented that way as a result of the language itself - English is simply not able to convey the full meaning of the original languages without distortion - because the languages have different features and they function in different ways. So translators are forced to exercise liberty in attempting to convey the message to the reader according to what they think is the most important thing to say while they are considering the various distortions that are available.

(I didn't want to rock your boat, I'm just saying that there is a valid and understandable reason why some people find the bible is hard to understand - there is simply no translation in English that carries the full meaning without added distortion). It's a bit of a different question than asking why some people find it so hard to understand the bible - and that is itself a good case-in-point of how subtle the spirit of miscommunication can really mess things up. So it's good for you that you are in a good place with your relationship to God's Word! .. BTW, nice to meet you! (it's my first day here).

 

[JLB]

Well, some people really don't want to understand what the bible says, when it really comes down to it. They only want to think that everything is good between them and God, which is a motive based in insecurity rather than a love for the truth. I think most Christians have been caught by that net (I made it literally sound like they are "fishing for men", as Jesus said).

But the gate is narrow that leads to life, and the way is difficult. Few go that way. You seem pretty content in your reading, so it's fine by me. But there are people who ask questions that maybe you have not thought much of, and as they dig deep to find the answers to their satisfaction, (and I am one who does that), we find that actually there are quite significant distortions to the messages that come through various translators, and not many readers pay attention enough to spot the difference between what is being said and what they think is being said. In fact, the translators themselves are quite prone to that problem, "doctrinal bias", in their reading .. so we find that they are often saying a much different thing than what the spirit of the original scriptures is saying.

It's partly because of a deep culture of traditional doctrinal prejudice, and also partly cemented that way as a result of the language itself - English is simply not able to convey the full meaning of the original languages without distortion - because the languages have different features and they function in different ways. So translators are forced to exercise liberty in attempting to convey the message to the reader according to what they think is the most important thing to say while they are considering the various distortions that are available.

(I didn't want to rock your boat, I'm just saying that there is a valid and understandable reason why some people find the bible is hard to understand - there is simply no translation in English that carries the full meaning without added distortion). It's a bit of a different question than asking why some people find it so hard to understand the bible - and that is itself a good case-in-point of how subtle the spirit of miscommunication can really mess things up. So it's good for you that you are in a good place with your relationship to God's Word! .. BTW, nice to meet you! (it's my first day here).

Welcome to the Forum.

Glad to meet you.





JLB

 

[Randy]

I don't think the gospel message is hard to understand.

One should note this same gospel message was first preached in a world with many false Gods and many different customs.

When one attacks our religion they start by sowing doubt on the validity and trustworthiness of the written word. (NT)

Jesus miracles are a myth. The message has been distorted through copies of copies and copies which introduced errors so we don't have the original message. OR Paul invented Christianity and distorted Jesus's message.

Well those who study the explosion of those copies that went all over the world and in many languages noted that not one variance has been found that takes away from the cardinal beliefs of the church. Which strengthens not weakens the testimony. No one controlled the text.

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The written world is the source of our understanding. With Jesus being the canon. Unless one is a true prophet of God the Holy Spirit will only give one understanding in accordance with what is already passed down to us through Jesus and His Apostles. No new revelation. No new commands. And the gospel message shouldn't change.

In theses last days God has spoken to us by His Son. I believe the Canon has been closed and locked down.

The word points people to Jesus so they might believe and be saved by their faith in Jesus. The word points out there is NO other way.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well, some people really don't want to understand what the bible says, when it really comes down to it. They only want to think that everything is good between them and God, which is a motive based in insecurity rather than a love for the truth. I think most Christians have been caught by that net (I made it literally sound like they are "fishing for men", as Jesus said).

But the gate is narrow that leads to life, and the way is difficult. Few go that way. You seem pretty content in your reading, so it's fine by me. But there are people who ask questions that maybe you have not thought much of, and as they dig deep to find the answers to their satisfaction, (and I am one who does that), we find that actually there are quite significant distortions to the messages that come through various translators, and not many readers pay attention enough to spot the difference between what is being said and what they think is being said. In fact, the translators themselves are quite prone to that problem, "doctrinal bias", in their reading .. so we find that they are often saying a much different thing than what the spirit of the original scriptures is saying.

It's partly because of a deep culture of traditional doctrinal prejudice, and also partly cemented that way as a result of the language itself - English is simply not able to convey the full meaning of the original languages without distortion - because the languages have different features and they function in different ways. So translators are forced to exercise liberty in attempting to convey the message to the reader according to what they think is the most important thing to say while they are considering the various distortions that are available.

(I didn't want to rock your boat, I'm just saying that there is a valid and understandable reason why some people find the bible is hard to understand - there is simply no translation in English that carries the full meaning without added distortion). It's a bit of a different question than asking why some people find it so hard to understand the bible - and that is itself a good case-in-point of how subtle the spirit of miscommunication can really mess things up. So it's good for you that you are in a good place with your relationship to God's Word! .. BTW, nice to meet you! (it's my first day here).

Nice to meet you too

I will say our English words have many definitions for the same word. But, when you pray first and then read the full context as it is already written then the Holy Spirit will always give you understanding. Do we get it right all the time, no, but that is when we share and discuss with others that have more Spiritual knowledge as the Holy Spirit works through those to help teach us. It's very important to discern truth from error as we test the spirits that are teaching us. 1 John 4:1-6.

Just like our personal relationship with Christ so should be our learning of what He has already taught as there is only one doctrine that we need to be studying and that is the doctrine of Christ. We all ask questions, but if we would search the scriptures for our self instead of depending on man to teach us, there will we always find our answers. Now, don't get me wrong as God has anointed many to teach us as the Holy Spirit speaks through them and what they teach needs to line up with the word of God. If it doesn't then they are teaching the doctrines of man.

I do study the deeper things of God's word including the history and culture of the various eras as I try to be as accurate as I possibly can.

 

[SkyWriting]

Bible = Biblical instructions Before Leaving Earth..
Bible only the authority to give clear Theology and correct theology

Not according to the Bible:

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Romans 1:19
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

Isaiah 40:26
Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these? He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power not one is missing.

Psalm 19:1-6
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy.

Psalm 33:6-9
By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap; he puts the deeps in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him! For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.

Romans 2:15
They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

Psalm 8:3
When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,

2 Corinthians 3
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us,

written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God,
not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

 

[Shekinahglory]

someone tells a story about blind villagers having an elephant brought in. None can see the elephant and where they grab hold is where they get their understanding. Someone gets a leg and its like a tree. Some hold the trunk and think snake. I do think the Church is in better shape than a bunch of blind folks trying to explain an elephant

 

[Randy]

Not according to the Bible:

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Romans 1:19
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

Isaiah 40:26
Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these? He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power not one is missing.

Psalm 19:1-6
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy.

Psalm 33:6-9
By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host. He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap; he puts the deeps in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him! For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.

Romans 2:15
They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them

Psalm 8:3
When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,

2 Corinthians 3
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you? You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all. And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us,

written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God,
not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

You seem to be quoting the "word" in regard to your theological disagreement with clear theology derived from the word. Ironic isn't it?

The knowledge we have regarding our faith, which is centered around our Lord and savior Jesus, comes from the NT. Such a relationship obtained and sought through such knowledge of Him comes from the Spirit of Christ in us. So the word points us to Jesus. And Jesus sees our faith in Him. AND people, (leaders, teachers) should be held accountable to teach and preach a faithful Apostolic succession of the teachings found in the word. (NT)

His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

People are without excuse because with light comes accountability. (clear theology from the words of Christ who is the one who judges)

If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

As in justice to the nations
"Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations.

 

[SkyWriting]

You seem to be quoting the "word" in regard to your theological disagreement with clear theology derived from the word. Ironic isn't it?

Finally, a correct use of "ironic".

Believe it or not!

Scripture claims that God does not require scripture to make HIS point.

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

 

[Randy]

Finally, a correct use of "ironic".

Believe it or not!

Scripture claims that God does not require scripture to make HIS point.

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

The word tells us how God made His point as you stated.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

The sayings of God. That's the only foundation one should base their theology upon. God never expected man to understand all that was spoken and written down for future generations by looking at nature. Paul's world had many false Gods. They were religious. They were told about the one true living God and Jesus Christ.

Romans that you quote may speak to the existence of a God at most. Not the details of Christianity or the knowledge of the one true God. Regardless we know the Fathers will by the written word. We know God is a just and loving God. The gospel message brings light in regard to salvation and also proclaims the day of wrath of God on the wicked. Blessings and curses in a manner of speaking and was sent into all the world. With such light comes accountability.

The word points us to the truth. Such knowledge would not be possible otherwise. And which such light comes accountability to all nations. Gods propose was good will towards mankind in regard to Jesus. The good news of the gospel.

I quote the word as well in regard to how a just God made His will known.

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son.

There is no other foundation for our theology other then the words of Christ and His Apostles that were written down for future generations which includes the Israelite's where it was given first.

Even Israel wasn't held without excuse apart from Jesus.
If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

With the pagans Paul had to start from scratch.

So stating God doesn't need the word to make his point isn't reasonable for how can we possibly have the knowledge of the truth apart from Jesus revealing the Fathers word to the world.

They had this knowledge from God beforehand.
The woman said, "I know that Messiah" (called Christ) "is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us."

Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

 

[for_his_glory]

Terral03

Hebrews 7 is speaking about Jesus who came with a better dispensation covenant of God's grace that through His life, death and resurrection redeemed us from the curse of the law that all who will believe in Him will have eternal life with the Father. He is now our High Priest as no other high priest could give us eternal life.

Melchizedek is not the incarnation of the Holy Spirit, but the high Priest at that time in which Christ would become our High Priest and intercessor through the order of Melchizedek fulfilling that of Psalms 110:1-4.

BTW, why can't you give us the name of that thick manual you use? It doesn't matter the millions of books that have been written that man tries to interpret the Bible, but that what is written must line up with the full context of the scriptures. The Bible, the Holy Spirit and history is our source for all truths.

 

[Walpole]

Bible = Biblical instructions Before Leaving Earth..
Bible only the authority to give clear Theology and correct theology

Do you have a verse from the Bible stating this, along with the books which should comprise said Bible? Otherwise, you are violating your own rule.

 

[eddif]

Natha

This is an old thread. Would you be interested in talking about your thoughts? Theology?

eddif