The failure of the Jews is no greater than anyone else's failure. I was simply pointing out that their success and failures ended up in the Bible. Preserved for the whole rest of the world to read about, and hopefully learn from.
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Absolutely, our trust should be in God's testimony to us in all things... for which it discusses. Now it does discuss this matter of the passage of time throughout His account in various genealogical records, and various pronouncements of ages at births and deaths, but, as some of your evidence does suggest, there may be small 'accounting errors' over the course of 6,000 years. I, like you seem to, put some value in the 6 day as a thousand years 'theory' of time as it unfolds to the end. The day when Jesus will be established to reign as king for a thousand years with those who have trusted in him. I'm also sure that it will come whether I'm ready for it or not, but looking into the matter is worthwhile as we glean some of the 'weightier matters of the Scriptures'.
So yes, I've often given great weight to 'evidences' that come to us through the Jews concerning the things of God. I don't buy into John Smith's story about golden tablets as a worthwhile claim of evidence. But when the Jews, who while I absolutely agree struggled to keep God's law, have worked out a timeline of their own historical record to be 5, 784 and another group who studies the matter says 6,025, and I'm expecting something to happen around 6,000?, I want to know who's correct!
In this case, obviously whatever was expected didn't happen at exactly 6,000 years, and I'm ok with that if it happens fairly soon. But if it's still 220 years away, then it's not something I'd be looking particularly hard at to be happening while I'm living, anyway. And of course, all of that is tempered with the understanding that the 6 day for thousand year 'theory' could be wrong.
I believe that Jesus did warn us of other signs that we would see besides just a count of days. But it is certainly a time in which we should be looking up for the day of our salvation draws near.
Hi Jarhead4Jesus
If your accounting is correct, or at least some of it correct, then we are close to Jesus' return. There will be war and rumors of war. We certainly have plenty of that. But these are the birth pangs of the coming days of great tribulation. I believe that before we see Jesus return, we will see the signs and the onslaught of the days of great tribulation. Certainly there are signs of that now. The world is becoming a place overall filled with more and more angst and distrust. What do you believe are some of the signs that we should be seeing fall into place? I know that the signs of Jesus' coming were missed largely by everyone in the day of his appearing.
That a baby would be born of a virgin. Other than in Mary's small village, would anyone have even known that sign had appeared? That the end of Daniel's 69 weeks of years was immediately upon them, just as we are trying to show that the 6th millennium of years is upon us. However, the prophecy of Messiah being here at the end of the 69 sevens was clearly made. I don't really have any sure confidence that the 6 year millennium point IS a valid prophecy to mark the end of these days and ushers in Jesus' millennial reign.
If your accounting is correct, or at least some of it correct, then we are close to Jesus' return. There will be war and rumors of war. We certainly have plenty of that. But these are the birth pangs of the coming days of great tribulation. I believe that before we see Jesus return, we will see the signs and the onslaught of the days of great tribulation. Certainly there are signs of that now. The world is becoming a place overall filled with more and more angst and distrust. What do you believe are some of the signs that we should be seeing fall into place? I know that the signs of Jesus' coming were missed largely by everyone in the day of his appearing.
That a baby would be born of a virgin. Other than in Mary's small village, would anyone have even known that sign had appeared? That the end of Daniel's 69 weeks of years was immediately upon them, just as we are trying to show that the 6th millennium of years is upon us. However, the prophecy of Messiah being here at the end of the 69 sevens was clearly made. I don't really have any sure confidence that the 6 year millennium point IS a valid prophecy to mark the end of these days and ushers in Jesus' millennial reign.
I believe that the signs of Christ's soon return are all around us. However, prophecy is always much clearer in hindsight.
Concerning the 7,000 year template, have you had a chance to read the article, '7,000 years is not enough'? That gives an explanation for both, why the Bible doesn't actually prescribe a flat 7,000 years in scripture, as well as our reasoning for 7,049.
Concerning the 7,000 year template, have you had a chance to read the article, '7,000 years is not enough'? That gives an explanation for both, why the Bible doesn't actually prescribe a flat 7,000 years in scripture, as well as our reasoning for 7,049.
No I am not familiar with that work. And yes, I'm of a mind that the days of great tribulation are right around the corner.
Here is a link to that article. There are many others there that might also be of interest.
7000 Years is Not Enough
7000 Years is Not Enough
6031 is the biblical year indicated by way of the timeline found in scripture. The current year is 6025 from creation.
This site has a chart that shows the progression from the Biblical calendar, to the Modern-Jewish calendar, to the Gregorian calendar.
https://7049biblicaltimelineresearch.org > Charts & Diagrams
Not sure why the link would behave that way. Here is the URL:
https://7049biblicaltimelineresearch.org > Articles > 7000 Years is Not Enough.pdf
2000 years from the Crucifixion to the end of the church age. All these is calculated based on the "one day for a thousand year" principle, it's an ancient Jewish doctrine and solidly based in the bible (Ps. 90:4, 2 Pt. 3:8), whether you take it literally or spiritualize it into an indefinite eternality is your own judgment call.
Also, this is just a PRINCIPLE, not specific date setting, since a prophetic year is 360 days, each month is 30 days, it had been this way since the Flood. Some sources suggest that every 6 and 40 years a leap month is added so as to catch up with the 365.25 solar cycle. It is impossible to point on a specific date on the Gregarian calendar because that's not God's calendar.
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Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night. (ESV)
That works against your claim. First, “a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday,” is a simile, not a formula equating one thousand years with a day. Second, “or as a watch in the night” is about four hours, not 24.
2Pe 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (ESV)
Again, this is a simile, and Peter is not equating of a thousand years with a day.
That's your own disbelief, you're spiritualizing the text by reducing it into a "simile". Both are God's formula, neither is a "simile".
Brother, if the timeline of scripture then post the scriptures that teach this, not some link to some chart that someone came up with.
What disbelief? What spiritualizing? I'm just being rational based on a plain reading and understanding of the text.
I reduced nothing to a simile; they literally are similes, by definition. More than that, you didn't address the fact that Psa. 90:4 gives two very different metaphors for one thousand years--"yesterday" and "a watch in the night." That alone proves my point, apart from those being similes. You cannot say, based on that verse, that a thousand years is equal to a day, but completely ignore that it is also about four hours. That is simply choosing to make the verse say what you want.
Is a day equal to 1,000 years or 6,000? Is the earth 6,000 years old or 36,000 years old? You have to choose one or the other, according to your position.
And, that is the problem with ignoring the fact that it is a simile, a figure of speech, meant to teach us that time is essentially nothing with God. That is supported by what the rest of the surrounding context states. What one absolutely cannot do is use such figures of speech to determine what "day" we are in or how much time is left, especially since one must first assume the age of the earth.
The same goes for 2 Pet. 3:8. The context is clearly concerning the seeming delay of the return of Christ. So, Peter employs the same figure of speech to show that with God, time is different, and for him to wait a thousand years is but as a day to him. Peter wants his readers to be patient--it's all in God's timing. Why? As verse 9 states, "The Lord . . . is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance" (ESV).
Hi Free
Well personally, I've always believed that these passages speaking of God and a thousand years like unto a day is merely teaching us that God stands outside of how we see and understand time. God does not live where there are days and the sun and moon create morning and night. He lives outside of this realm of His creating, although He can be in it at any time that He would desire. So, call it simile or metaphor or whatever human word one might choose to define these passages where God speaks of His understanding and living in time is different than ours, but that's really, I believe, all that it teaches us.
Now, this idea that the earth might exist for 6,000 years before the 1000 year reign of Jesus, are merely ideas that we feel might be the truth of God's laying out of time upon the earth, but it is just an idea and there is no Scriptural support that it is, in fact, the truth of 'when' the end will come and Jesus will return. However, in looking out at the wickedness of the world and what the Scriptures describe as the way the world will be going when Jesus does return, I can see that the time may be very, very close. By that 'close', I mean within the next 1-300 years.
The beast is here, and the people are definitely at the stage where we are inventing wickedness. So, just a couple of signs that the end is, in fact, coming upon us. But will it yet be 3 weeks or 100 years is not yet known by the signs. But they will become more evident as we walk inexorably into the last days of this created realm which God has made for mankind to come to know Him and to choose Him over wickedness.
Well personally, I've always believed that these passages speaking of God and a thousand years like unto a day is merely teaching us that God stands outside of how we see and understand time. God does not live where there are days and the sun and moon create morning and night. He lives outside of this realm of His creating, although He can be in it at any time that He would desire. So, call it simile or metaphor or whatever human word one might choose to define these passages where God speaks of His understanding and living in time is different than ours, but that's really, I believe, all that it teaches us.
Now, this idea that the earth might exist for 6,000 years before the 1000 year reign of Jesus, are merely ideas that we feel might be the truth of God's laying out of time upon the earth, but it is just an idea and there is no Scriptural support that it is, in fact, the truth of 'when' the end will come and Jesus will return. However, in looking out at the wickedness of the world and what the Scriptures describe as the way the world will be going when Jesus does return, I can see that the time may be very, very close. By that 'close', I mean within the next 1-300 years.
The beast is here, and the people are definitely at the stage where we are inventing wickedness. So, just a couple of signs that the end is, in fact, coming upon us. But will it yet be 3 weeks or 100 years is not yet known by the signs. But they will become more evident as we walk inexorably into the last days of this created realm which God has made for mankind to come to know Him and to choose Him over wickedness.
The timeline is posted at:
https://7049biblicaltimelineresearch.org > Biblical Timelines
Completely open excel file(s) that you can modify however you like. The year cells contain notes which have the scripture references which the running calculations are based on.
The hope is that you'll go to the scriptures to see if these things are true. Let God's word be the judge.
Concerning the 2,000 years between the resurrection of Christ and the tribulation. Is there another/better explanation for the prophecy of Hosea 5:15-6:2 ?
It's a little out-of-scope for this post, but you may enjoy reading about how Daniel 12 actually limits the duration of time to the end. All scripture-based, like everything else that's been posted here.
You can find it at:
https://7049biblicaltimelineresearch.org > Articles > Reconsidering Daniel 12:6-7
That 2,000 year calculation is based on the prophecy in Hosea 5:15-6:2, and Daniel 12:6-7.