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Yes: it likely refers to just a relatively short period before the restoration of Israel and Judah if they "return to the LORD." It could also refer to the resurrection of Jesus as a literal three days. It's a little hard to see how it could refer to a period beginning about 800 years after the prophecy was given, when it is a call to return now to God.
The plain reading and understanding of the text is "one day with the Lord for a thousand year", "simile" is your own opinion due to your disbelief in that plain reading and understanding.
No I'm not, yesterday past is one day, a watch in the night is another way to put it, that much is obvious.
That makes no sense whatsoever. To say “or as tomorrow which will come” or “or as one day,” are other ways “to put it.” But, absolutely not “or as a watch in the night.” One is 24 hours, one is about 4 hours. One of them contradicts your position and therefore cannot be just “another way to put it.” And both are similes—they’re figures of speech, not equations.
What makes no sense is your dismissal of God's equation as "simile" and your arrogant attitude in defense of your error. That's your private interpretation which the bible forbids.
Do you know what a simile is? It’s a phrase that compares two things using “like” or “as.”
I’m simply giving an understanding based on plain readings of Scripture. You are the one saying I am in error all the while not addressing the clear figures of speech, the evidence of which are supported by the contexts. I gave the contexts, which are clearly speaking of the fact that God’s relationship to time is simply different than ours. The interpretation I gave actually makes sense of the two different times given in Psa. 90:4.
No, not my “private interpretation”—the most likely interpretation based on what is plainly stated.
No, that's a shift of perspective. God is beyond time and space, what is a day to God is a thousand years to man. God is specific and precise especially when it comes to numbers. If it just means eternity, it would say eternity instead of "a thousand years".
No you're not, you reject the plain reading of the text and substitute with your own interpretation. The context is the frailty of man compared to God's eternality, that does not exclude the specificity of a "one day for one thousand years" equation. In the same context, it is written, "the days of our lives are seventy years; and if by reason of strength they are eighty years," (Ps. 90:10), that precisely matches the average life expectancy of 70-80 years; and next, we're taught to number our days and gain wisdom (Ps. 90:12), how are we supposed to do that if any number is just a "figure of speech"?
What is plainly stated is "one day with the Lord for a thousand years", "simile" is your private interpretation.
No, I’m literally providing the text and even bolding the relevant bits that prove my point.
Please provide one translation that states that.
Straw man. You really don’t understand my argument, do you? Or, is it just that you can’t believe it’s true because it doesn’t fit with other parts of your theology?
Where? Provide one translation that says that.
No, similes are what are used, as I defined and showed. Perhaps you should read the definition of “simile” again.
No, you're rejecting the literal meaning of the text.
2 Pt. 3:8, any translation.
I have no theology of my own, "Millennial Day" is an ancient Jewish belief dating back to the disciple's days
Then how do you know which is a figure of speech and which is not? It's all subjected to your own opinion.
Again, 2 Pt. 3:8, any translation. Ps. 90:4 is an OT example for corroboration.
If you disagree, just say so. People disagree on prophecies all the time, that's why prophecy is rarely preached from the putpit. There's no need to be so combative and argumentative.
Again, I quoted the verses and highlighted the relevant bits which support what I said. You have yet to do so and instead only say that I’m “rejecting the literal meaning of the text.” Why is that?
I asked for a translation, not the verse which is what we were already discussing. Feel free to actually post the verse, from any translation. Then show me how it says what you say it says.
Evidence?
I literally gave you the definition of a simile. You can search the Internet and find it yourself if you don’t want to believe me. So, what is it that you don’t understand?
Again, feel free to actually post the verses and show exactly how they say what you say they do. I have done it, why haven’t you?
Lol! I’m the one being “so combative and argumentative”? Project much? I’m simply pointing out and trying to get you to understand that these are figures of speech, not equations and so shouldn’t be used as such. I have given support for my position, which you dismiss without actually addressing.
It's relevant to the topic as several members, including yourself, have made claims about the timing of things based on falsely using figures of speech as equations. It should have been a very quick discussion, but such is life.
Your charts don't actually explain much, they just show dates, which seem to rely on the problematic idea that one thousand years is a day.
