The Biblical Timeline Backbone - 37 Events from Creation to New Jerusalem

[Shilohsfoal]

Hi Shilohsfoal

Right. But if you're going by the 1,000 years is as a day for the seventh day Sabbath rest, then it matters whether we are in 5786 or 6025. That's a 250 years spread. Now, I like you, believe the Lord's return could surely be soon when I see all the sin that is practiced all over the earth. I would not be surprised if the Lord returns within the next 100-200 years, but we still have the days of tribulation, and I'm thinking they must be worse than the days we are living today. We also don't have anyone yet who we can positively identify in most of the other players of those days.

If that's true, then we still will see those days before Jesus returns as is described in the Revelation of Jesus 14:14-20. But we can, at best only issue imprecise expectations as regards the day or hour of our Lord's glorious returning. Prasie God!

At the present time ,the man of sin has appeared and is pointing forth that he is the only one who can save Israel.

At the same time the beast has already mentioned giving everyone in his kingdom a mark.

I believe the tribulation,which is the persecution of them who follow the lamb in the land of Israel will probably begin next year .It starts after the man of sin gives the beast(the Israeli government)his armed forces (the second beast)and it will practice the authority of the first beast on its behalf.

 

[miamited]

Mornin Shilohsfoal

At the present time ,the man of sin has appeared and is pointing forth that he is the only one who can save Israel.

While I agree that there is someone on the scene who is pretty close to the descriptors concerning the rise of the Antichrist, I'm not sure it's that person. I do agree that right now it does look as if the entire world is following after. I was reading just yesterday that there are a whole lot of national leaders that are concerned and 'watching closely' the political antics that are going on currently in the United States.

But we'll see.

As to the rest of your post, like I say, we'll follow up in a year.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi again for_his_glory

God's wrath will be released upon the earth only one last time. At which point there will not be any further people to come to Him through His promise. It is explained in the account of the Revelation of Jesus 14:14-20. The tribulation that Jesus warned us of comes upon all mankind. Everyone who is alive at the time will experience the suffering of the great tribulation. Sometime after the great tribulation has come, Jesus returns to get those who are his. Then, that second angel written of in the account of the Revelation of Jesus comes and sweeps up everyone that was left by Jesus and they are cast into the winepress of God's wrath.

The days of great tribulation and the time of the wrath of God are not the same thing! God's word is clear that His children will not suffer His wrath. So there won't be anyone to come to God after Jesus removes those who are his and the fairly immediate release of the bowl judgments of God's wrath. If anyone is living on the earth when God's wrath comes... they didn't make it.

Rev 14:14-20

The one upon the white cloud is an angel as Jesus stated in Matthew 13:39 that the reapers are angels sent to come at the end of the age. The angel on the white cloud wears a symbolic crown of gold which means Gods’ great authority given to him as he waits for the angel that comes out from Gods presence to declare it is now time to take the sharp sickle in his hand which represents the reaping of the harvest as the timing has now come on earth to separate the wheat from the tares, Matthew 13:24-43.

The wheat is those of good seed who have kept the witness and testimony of Christ and have not taken the mark of the beast. They are gathered of all nations under the safety of the Lord as God prepares to pour out His wrathful vial judgments on the people of earth that have followed after the beast and have taken his mark.

John sees in his vision another angel coming out of the temple of God in heaven that also has a sharp sickle, but this angel’s purpose is different from the other angel who has gathered Gods people to safety. This angel waits until the angel from the altar that has power over fire to announce it is time to reap into the earth and gather the clusters of the vine for her grapes are fully ripe.

This angel who has power over fire is the angel in Revelation 8:3 that stands before the altar of God that is given much incense to burn as the sweet aroma is sent up to God with the prayers of the martyred saints, meaning those whose breath/spirit has returned back to God who gave it making them a living soul, Genesis 2:7; Ecc 12:7 as these are those under the altar in Revelation 6:9-11 that are waiting for their blood to be avenged.

Gods timing is now made perfect as the prayers of the martyred saints are about to be answered as He tells the angel before the altar to tell the other angel with the sharp sickle to reap into the earth and gather the cluster of the vine and throw them into the great wine press of Gods wrath for her grapes are ripe.

This vine is different from the vine that is Christ in John 15:5 as this vine is the Luciferians New World Order system and the cluster of grapes are those who attach themselves to this system as they take the mark of this beast and bow down to their ordinances. The wickedness of the multitude is full now as they have rejected God, martyred His saints and still refuse to repent.

The great winepress is symbolic of mans destruction as it can be likened unto grapes trodden down in great fierceness of being pressed down for their juice as the grapes are destroyed. In this case it is the unrighteous that will be trodden down by the fierceness of Gods seven vial chastisements which are different then the six trumpet chastisements that only affected a third of the world.

The seven vial judgments will affect all the unrighteous in every nation around the world, Joel 3:13, 14; Isaiah 63:3 Lamentation 1:15, as these judgments are environmental and physical, which are explained in Rev 16 that will cause many who have not taken the mark of the beast to finally realize what they have been hearing and rejecting that is preached to them from the everlasting Gospel is true as they are physically affected by these vial judgments and will seek out the sovereign and omnipotent God of all creation and repent of their sin against Him.

The description of the wine press being outside the city and the tremendous amount of blood represents a great conquest of God outside of His temple in heaven which means a global conquest over the wickedness on the earth that is found in the heart of man, Isaiah 63:3, 4. The earlier conquest of God during battles where the enemy were always slaughtered as we read in the Old Testament were localized as in certain regions, but this one of the great wine press is a global slaughter of those who oppose God as they are lovers of self wanting nothing to do with the God of righteousness as they are deceived in their own thoughts and actions of those thoughts, 2 Timothy 3:1-9.

 

[miamited]

Hi for_his_glory

The one upon the white cloud is an angel as Jesus stated in Matthew 13:39 that the reapers are angels sent to come at the end of the age.

Go with what you believe but...

I don't know what translation you're using but mine seems to have been translated not as 'angel', but 'one like a son of man'. With a crown of gold and a sharp sickle in his hand. That's Jesus. This is describing to us how the harvest at the end of the age will happen. First Jesus comes to take those who are his out of the way of his Father's pent up wrath. Then the 'another angel' comes out of the temple with his sharp sickle. I'm fairly confident that there's only one reason that the first harvester is described as being 'like a son of man' and all the other participants in the harvest are merely called angels. But, after the second harvester swings his sickle to harvest the remaining crop, they are thrown into the 'winepress of the wrath of God'. That's the part that the Scriptures tell us earlier is not the fate of God's children. That's because Jesus just took us out of the way just prior to God releasing His wrath on those who were 'left behind'. Despite what the book series tells us, I'm confident that the rapture, (the time that Jesus harvests the earth), and then the pouring out of the judgments of the wrath of God, that we later read of, are fairly quickly one after the other. There won't be people saved after the 'one like a son of man' swings his sharp sickle for the first fruits harvest of the earth. Hallelujah!!

One day, perhaps soon, God will command His Son to once again leave His side and go and harvest the earth of the righteous dead and living. At that time, we who are alive in Christ will be lifted up to meet him in the air. And, according to Paul, we will meet those who are lifted up out of their graves.

The account that God is giving us through John of the Revelation of Jesus in the words that he wrote of a vision that he saw is describing the 'day' of the rapture. Remember, this is about revealing, not only the past of Jesus' life with us, but the future of what he will be doing among us, also. God gave unto His Son an account to give to his messengers. That account was given to John through visions. Much as Daniel had visions and Joseph had visions and many, many godly men and women throughout the Scriptures have had visions. John is getting a vision of the day of the rapture and he tells us what it looks like as it unfolds.

He looked and he saw 'one like a son of man'. He was wearing a gold crown. That's Jesus! And Jesus steps into our realm and cries, "Come up here!" And those who are his will hear his voice and disappear into the clouds before the very eyes of those who are 'left behind'. Then the wrath of God will be released upon the earth. And men will cry out to the rocks and mountains, "Fall on me for the time of God's wrath is at hand!"

 

[miamited]

Hi for_his_glory

So, under your understanding the earth is harvested by angels. When does Jesus return and we get to that moment that Paul wrote of 'we will meet the Lord in the air'?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Hi for_his_glory

Go with what you believe but...

I don't know what translation you're using but mine seems to have been translated not as 'angel', but 'one like a son of man'. With a crown of gold and a sharp sickle in his hand. That's Jesus. This is describing to us how the harvest at the end of the age will happen. First Jesus comes to take those who are his out of the way of his Father's pent up wrath. Then the 'another angel' comes out of the temple with his sharp sickle. I'm fairly confident that there's only one reason that the first harvester is described as being 'like a son of man' and all the other participants in the harvest are merely called angels. But, after the second harvester swings his sickle to harvest the remaining crop, they are thrown into the 'winepress of the wrath of God'. That's the part that the Scriptures tell us earlier is not the fate of God's children. That's because Jesus just took us out of the way just prior to God releasing His wrath on those who were 'left behind'. Despite what the book series tells us, I'm confident that the rapture, (the time that Jesus harvests the earth), and then the pouring out of the judgments of the wrath of God, that we later read of, are fairly quickly one after the other. There won't be people saved after the 'one like a son of man' swings his sharp sickle for the first fruits harvest of the earth. Hallelujah!!

One day, perhaps soon, God will command His Son to once again leave His side and go and harvest the earth of the righteous dead and living. At that time, we who are alive in Christ will be lifted up to meet him in the air. And, according to Paul, we will meet those who are lifted up out of their graves.

The account that God is giving us through John of the Revelation of Jesus in the words that he wrote of a vision that he saw is describing the 'day' of the rapture. Remember, this is about revealing, not only the past of Jesus' life with us, but the future of what he will be doing among us, also. God gave unto His Son an account to give to his messengers. That account was given to John through visions. Much as Daniel had visions and Joseph had visions and many, many godly men and women throughout the Scriptures have had visions. John is getting a vision of the day of the rapture and he tells us what it looks like as it unfolds.

He looked and he saw 'one like a son of man'. He was wearing a gold crown. That's Jesus! And Jesus steps into our realm and cries, "Come up here!" And those who are his will hear his voice and disappear into the clouds before the very eyes of those who are 'left behind'. Then the wrath of God will be released upon the earth. And men will cry out to the rocks and mountains, "Fall on me for the time of God's wrath is at hand!"

Sounds like something else I read earlier today.
Ezekiel 9 talks about one clothed in linen with a writers inkhorn by his side.He is told to go throughout Jerusalem putting a mark on the foreheads of them who cry for all the abominations done in Israel and Judah.
The others are told to go after him and smite everyone who does not have the mark in their foreheads.
Ezekiel is afraid everyone would be destroyed because of God's wrath being poured out of Jerusalem.





Revelation 6:16
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Luke 23
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

So, under your understanding the earth is harvested by angels. When does Jesus return and we get to that moment that Paul wrote of 'we will meet the Lord in the air'?

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

Go with what you believe but...

I don't know what translation you're using but mine seems to have been translated not as 'angel', but 'one like a son of man'. With a crown of gold and a sharp sickle in his hand. That's Jesus. This is describing to us how the harvest at the end of the age will happen. First Jesus comes to take those who are his out of the way of his Father's pent up wrath. Then the 'another angel' comes out of the temple with his sharp sickle. I'm fairly confident that there's only one reason that the first harvester is described as being 'like a son of man' and all the other participants in the harvest are merely called angels. But, after the second harvester swings his sickle to harvest the remaining crop, they are thrown into the 'winepress of the wrath of God'. That's the part that the Scriptures tell us earlier is not the fate of God's children. That's because Jesus just took us out of the way just prior to God releasing His wrath on those who were 'left behind'. Despite what the book series tells us, I'm confident that the rapture, (the time that Jesus harvests the earth), and then the pouring out of the judgments of the wrath of God, that we later read of, are fairly quickly one after the other. There won't be people saved after the 'one like a son of man' swings his sharp sickle for the first fruits harvest of the earth. Hallelujah!!

One day, perhaps soon, God will command His Son to once again leave His side and go and harvest the earth of the righteous dead and living. At that time, we who are alive in Christ will be lifted up to meet him in the air. And, according to Paul, we will meet those who are lifted up out of their graves.

The account that God is giving us through John of the Revelation of Jesus in the words that he wrote of a vision that he saw is describing the 'day' of the rapture. Remember, this is about revealing, not only the past of Jesus' life with us, but the future of what he will be doing among us, also. God gave unto His Son an account to give to his messengers. That account was given to John through visions. Much as Daniel had visions and Joseph had visions and many, many godly men and women throughout the Scriptures have had visions. John is getting a vision of the day of the rapture and he tells us what it looks like as it unfolds.

He looked and he saw 'one like a son of man'. He was wearing a gold crown. That's Jesus! And Jesus steps into our realm and cries, "Come up here!" And those who are his will hear his voice and disappear into the clouds before the very eyes of those who are 'left behind'. Then the wrath of God will be released upon the earth. And men will cry out to the rocks and mountains, "Fall on me for the time of God's wrath is at hand!"

I use the KJV of the Bible. Nowhere in these scriptures does it speak about a pre-trib Rapture.

The Parable of the Weeds Explained

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



The Harvest of the Earth
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Angels can only give commands through Jesus who sends them out. The angel on the cloud wore a symbolic golden crown as it symbolized the authority Christ had given this angel.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[miamited]

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Hi for_his_glory

And that reality is what John sees actually happening in his account in Rev. 14.

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi for_his_glory

And that reality is what John sees actually happening in his account in Rev. 14.

Let us not forget what is also written in Rev 19:11-21 about the return of Christ on the last day.
When you put together Matthew 24:29-31; John 6:40; 1Corinthians 15:50-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21 just to mention a few scriptures about the return of Christ as there are many that teach us about the return of Christ, you will see that Jesus returns on the last day of this present Earth. For at that time all abominations will be destroyed and this present heaven and earth will be renewed and the New Jerusalem ushered down by God, Rev 21:1-8.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Hi Jarhead4Jesus

I'm sorry but I missed the answer in there. What evidence do you have that we are in the year 6025 and not the year 5785 as the Jewish calander would suggest? I guess I'm asking what are these 'relevant numbers' that you are referencing by which you are ascribing the time on your timeline?

The relevant numbers are found at the scriptural references provided in the chart, and in the narrative of scripture. Anyone with a bible can look these things up.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Hi Jarhead4Jesus

Right. That's what I understood. What I'm questioning is the number that you are assigning this year. You're claiming that we are now in the year 6025. There's a big red arrow pointing to that year as the 'current year'. From what I've gleaned from the Jewish calander, we are only at year 5,785. So, do you have the math that shows how we are now in year 6025 is my question?

On the Charts and Diagrams page found here:
https://7049biblicaltimelineresearch.org/chartsDiagrams.html

The diagram shows the progression through the three calendars, Biblical, modern-Jewish and the Gregorian calendar, as it occurs now.

The Gregorian calendar was established in 1582 to match historically with the 4001st year of the Biblical calendar (4001 AM = 1 AD). Although, that is not accurately matched with the actual first advent of Christ as found in scripture.

The modern-Jewish calendar is 240 years behind the Biblical calendar and now contains a 'new year' (Tishrei 1 - 7th month) that begins half-way through the Biblical year. There is a great video on YouTube about the 240 year difference, it's called
'The Jewish Calendar's 240 Missing Years'. Here's the link:

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

I believe we only have about 4 years till the great tribulation.
The coming of Christ would mark the beginning of the 7th millinium which is the Lords Sabbath.

Take into account a day to the Lord is 1000 years and that the Lord rests from his work on the 7th day.

Luke 13:32
He said to them, “Go tell that fox, ‘Look, I’m driving out demons and performing healings today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will complete my work.’

Jesus said this about 26-28 AD,so the third day in Luke 13:32 would be about 2028 AD and last 1000 years.


Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.





I'm sure by this time next year,I will know for sure if it's 4 years away.

Concerning the 7,000 year template, I recommend this article:
7,000 years is not enough.pdf

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Concerning the 7,000 year template, I recommend this article:
7,000 years is not enough.pdf

I ,like many other early church members believe 7,000 years is plenty enough.

I tend to agree with Barnabas though I believed a day to the Lord is 1000 years before I had read Barnabas.I had also understood the millinium mentioned in revelation 20 is the Sabbath of the Lord

Barnabas Chapter 15
Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, And sanctify the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart. Exodus 20:8; Deuteronomy 5:12 And He says in another place, If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them. Jeremiah 17:24-25 The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it. Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, You shall sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart. If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God has sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. Further, He says to them, Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure. Isaiah 1:13 You perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world.

 

[miamited]

Hey Jarhead4Jesus

Thanks for the timeline supporting documents. I know that I've calculated fairly precisely to the exodus from Egypt, but accounting years, while I am able to verify a lot of the timeline, there are places that can be off by a few years. My point in this discussion of the Hebrew calendar is that everything that we know about God came to us through the Jews. Which is why God raised them up to be His people to do His bidding upon the earth. Yes they were fairly regularly rebellious, but they did get the job done as far as what God needed from them. They wrote and protected the Scriptures. They slaughtered the final Passover Lamb. And I just have to pause, when they have calculated a calendar that is supposed to reflect the passage of days upon the earth from the day of Adam's creation. Their calculation is that we are at 5,785 years from the day that Adam was created. I mean, that's about a 250 years difference from your calculation.

 

[miamited]

Hey Jarhead4Jesus

Just some notes as I listen along. That 60 year gap, Church says, is because this Jewish writer in the 2nd century got it wrong. He says that Terah must have been 130 years old when Abraham was born. But the Scriptures account that Nahor was 70 years old when he had three children. The first son listed is Abram and I believe in the language of God, that the first born is listed first. And if it isn't referring to Abram, then we really have no Scriptural reference by which to age Abram, as regards his birth. Honestly, I'm not really following why they believe that Nahor was 130 when he begat Abram.

So, I'm not really sold on the idea that there is some 60 year gap in that accounting of time. My question would be why did God tell us that Nahor was 70 when Abram was born... if that's not the truth?

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

I ,like many other early church members believe 7,000 years is plenty enough.

I tend to agree with Barnabas though I believed a day to the Lord is 1000 years before I had read Barnabas.I had also understood the millinium mentioned in revelation 20 is the Sabbath of the Lord

Barnabas Chapter 15
Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, And sanctify the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart. Exodus 20:8; Deuteronomy 5:12 And He says in another place, If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them. Jeremiah 17:24-25 The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it. Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day. Moreover, He says, You shall sanctify it with pure hands and a pure heart. If, therefore, any one can now sanctify the day which God has sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things, we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having been first sanctified ourselves. Further, He says to them, Your new moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure. Isaiah 1:13 You perceive how He speaks: Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world.

All I can do is offer you the article in order to fully explain our position. I think that you will find that it upholds the scriptures.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Hey Jarhead4Jesus

Thanks for the timeline supporting documents. I know that I've calculated fairly precisely to the exodus from Egypt, but accounting years, while I am able to verify a lot of the timeline, there are places that can be off by a few years. My point in this discussion of the Hebrew calendar is that everything that we know about God came to us through the Jews. Which is why God raised them up to be His people to do His bidding upon the earth. Yes they were fairly regularly rebellious, but they did get the job done as far as what God needed from them. They wrote and protected the Scriptures. They slaughtered the final Passover Lamb. And I just have to pause, when they have calculated a calendar that is supposed to reflect the passage of days upon the earth from the day of Adam's creation. Their calculation is that we are at 5,785 years from the day that Adam was created. I mean, that's about a 250 years difference from your calculation.

I agree with your respect for what the Jewish people have done over the centuries. Their history, success and failure alike, has been laid bare before the whole world.
It was ultimately for our benefit.

I do not claim the timeline as my own... It's just what you get when you take the numbers out of scripture and add them up.

The biblical timeline study has been the most faith building study that I have ever done. It has opened up scripture like nothing else.

The next time you read through the Bible, I whole-heartedly recommend that you open an excel file and start to keep track of the timeline for yourself.

I'm sure that we agree, our trust should not be in the Jews, but in the God of the Jews.

 

[miamited]

Their history, success and failure alike, has been laid bare before the whole world.

Clear up for me what failure? I know they struggled at keeping the law, but that's been a failure of all of mankind from the beginning. I know I've failed it a number of times. I am glad that the subject has opened up your thirst for God's knowledge.

 

[Jarhead4Jesus]

Hey Jarhead4Jesus

Just some notes as I listen along. That 60 year gap, Church says, is because this Jewish writer in the 2nd century got it wrong. He says that Terah must have been 130 years old when Abraham was born. But the Scriptures account that Nahor was 70 years old when he had three children. The first son listed is Abram and I believe in the language of God, that the first born is listed first. And if it isn't referring to Abram, then we really have no Scriptural reference by which to age Abram, as regards his birth. Honestly, I'm not really following why they believe that Nahor was 130 when he begat Abram.

So, I'm not really sold on the idea that there is some 60 year gap in that accounting of time. My question would be why did God tell us that Nahor was 70 when Abram was born... if that's not the truth?

This is a truly great question!
Consider Acts 7:1-4
1 Then said the high priest, Are these things so?
2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,
3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.
4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

Stephen gave us the information needed to correctly place Abraham's birth year.

According to Genesis 12:1-4, Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran and entered the land of Canaan. According to Stephen, Abram left Haran and entered Canaan when his father Terah died, at the age of 205, in the year 2084.
205-75=130
Terah's age when Abraham was born would have been 130.
Thus, Abraham wasn't born in 1948, but in 2009.

Concerning Abraham being listed first, Genesis 7:13, 9:18 and 10:1 all list Shem first, then Ham and Japheth. But Genesis 10:21 tells us,
'Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.'
Japheth was always listed last, but he was actually the first of Noah's three sons.

So, unfortunately, we can't just assume that their age is in the same order as their appearance on those lists.

Scripture doesn't explicitly state this, but I personally believe that Haran was the son born to Terah when he was 70 years old. My reasoning is that Terah moved his family to the land of Haran, probably the first born, thus the land had been named after him.

Regardless, I hope that his was helpful concerning your questions about the timing of Abraham's birth.