The Calling of the 144,000

[guysmith]

John states that the 144,000 will be found standing with Christ on Mount Zion

Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

I believe that the 144,000 (not having the mark of the beast) will have had to arrive on Mount Zion at the beginning of the GT because they will not be able to by anything such as food or means of transportation without the mark. It is this being on Mount Zion at the beginning of the GT which is the calling of the 144,000.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

 

[Drew]

Yes, but see I'm not taking about Rev 1:7, which I believe deals with the parousia. This was fulfilled in 70AD as God broke the staff of the law and sacrificial temple system revealing to all with eyes and willing to 'see' that Jesus was in fact the Jewish Messiah.

I agree with you and provide a rather lenghty argument in the "Coming on the Clouds that the "parousia" of Matthew 24 is precisely the same kind of event you describe.

Jesus is "coming into his kingship" in 70 AD - He is not returning bodily. I suspect that most people default to taking the expression "coming on the clouds" as denoting a physical coming. That is the easy path to take, but it is not how the expression is used in the Old Testament in Daniel 7. There, the image refers to enthronement after suffering. I suggest that it is rather clear that the parousia of Matthew 24 is not any kind of physical appearing.