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The Church Answer Game.

JohnDB

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Ok...simple enough game...
Since it is time for all the CEs of church to stop by their local congregations and pretend they have been there all year.

I ask a question and then we see who knows the "church answer" that everyone has heard before and knows by heart. Then comes the Bonus round....is the Church answer correct?

everyone can play....everyone can win...but knowing the answers won't get you into heaven.

Look in the next post for the first Question...
 
What Was Jesus' regular occupation before he became a "rabbi"?
 
Like many other "Biblical truths" it is presumed
 
Like many other "Biblical truths" it is presumed
:clown

OK. No points in the bonus round.

The Greek word for Joseph's occupation was Tekon. This means general construction laborer. But....
People use the materials in the surrounding area. Now in the area of Nazareth there wasnt enough trees to employ a carpenter...nor enough people to patron a carpenter to keep him fed.

But within a day's commute there was a Roman city named Sapphoris. It was made of stone and clay. Complete with plumbing and sanitation. Tons of stone Masons needed to work in it. This is likely what Joseph and Jesus did

When the Bible was first translated into English a "general construction laborer" worked in the forests...with wood. A stone mason was considered a high end skilled trade. So they used the word "carpenter". And a new inaccurate tradition began.
 
So my husbands 35 years as a cement mason was Biblical :)
I enjoy reading your factoids ..
 
:clown

OK. No points in the bonus round.

The Greek word for Joseph's occupation was Tekon. This means general construction laborer. But....
People use the materials in the surrounding area. Now in the area of Nazareth there wasnt enough trees to employ a carpenter...nor enough people to patron a carpenter to keep him fed.

But within a day's commute there was a Roman city named Sapphoris. It was made of stone and clay. Complete with plumbing and sanitation. Tons of stone Masons needed to work in it. This is likely what Joseph and Jesus did

When the Bible was first translated into English a "general construction laborer" worked in the forests...with wood. A stone mason was considered a high end skilled trade. So they used the word "carpenter". And a new inaccurate tradition began.
So then we cant believe whats in there? lots and lots even many, many other things could be wrong what should we do now that we have this correction?
 
So then we cant believe whats in there? lots and lots even many, many other things could be wrong what should we do now that we have this correction?
OK.
Exactly where and in which translation exactly does it say that Jesus was a carpenter? (Hint compare translations)

The English language is the poorest receptor language for translating any donor language.
Tradition rules the day when translating. Many traditions remain that the first work by Wycliffe performed.

John 1:12 is a perfect example (so is the carpenter/stone Mason example)
This verse is in past tense. Which is factually incorrect. No one believes that it is over for anyone today. But the perfect Aortist tense means past, present, and future tense at the same time. English has no equivalent so Wycliffe picked past tense. Tradition carries this forward to today.

Deeper studies other than a flat reading of Scripture are necessary in order to fully understand them. (Which I highly suggest and recommend)
Believing Jesus was a carpenter won't do any real harm BUT you would miss out on all the many ROCK references and the irony and pithy nature of the comments and prophesy.
 
Next question.... Looking for the "Church Answer" here.

After feeding the 5 thousands Jesus sent the apostles across the Sea of Galilee by boat. Jesus said "he'd catch up with them later" so to speak.

They were shocked to see Jesus walking on the water and passing them.
So Jesus told Peter to come out there and walk to him after Peter asked.

But Peter began to sink into the Sea of Galilee. Why did Peter sink?
 
He took his eyes off the Lord
:thumbsup

BING BING BING

Correct traditional answer.

Now for the Bonus Question.

Is this answer logical/correct?
Think carefully now...was it simply a function of where Peter was looking that kept him afloat?
 
Like the little boy sings Open the eyes of my Lord...
 
OK.
Exactly where and in which translation exactly does it say that Jesus was a carpenter? (Hint compare translations)

The English language is the poorest receptor language for translating any donor language.
Tradition rules the day when translating. Many traditions remain that the first work by Wycliffe performed.

John 1:12 is a perfect example (so is the carpenter/stone Mason example)
This verse is in past tense. Which is factually incorrect. No one believes that it is over for anyone today. But the perfect Aortist tense means past, present, and future tense at the same time. English has no equivalent so Wycliffe picked past tense. Tradition carries this forward to today.

Deeper studies other than a flat reading of Scripture are necessary in order to fully understand them. (Which I highly suggest and recommend)
Believing Jesus was a carpenter won't do any real harm BUT you would miss out on all the many ROCK references and the irony and pithy nature of the comments and prophesy.
Out of 39 versions only 2 did not say carpenter it said Joiner in Moffatt and woodworker in basic english bible
I use kjv its been around many years before these newer versions. and saved many more people than anythinf printed in the last 2o years.
'Carpenter' in the Bible
Isa 41:7
So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved.

KJV
Verse Concepts
Isa 44:13
The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.

KJV
Verse Concepts
Mrk 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

KJV
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H2796
חרשׁ
Charash
carpenter , workman , craftsman , engraver , artificers , smith , makers , skilful , smith , workers , wrought
37

H6086
עץ
`ets
tree , wood , timber , stick , gallows , staff , stock , carpenter , branches , helve , planks , stalks
329

G5045
τέκτων
Tekton
carpenter
2
 
Like the little boy sings Open the eyes of my Lord...
Now...think logically.

If Jesus is the one holding Peter up then Jesus is the only one who could let him sink. Peter's fear is actually a chance for Jesus to give yet another lesson about something.

Water in the Bible is one of those "pithy" things. Heaven is literally said in Hebrew as "waters of waters"

Jewish tradition and beliefs understood water as different things.

Water from the sky is a gift from God. A blessing. Just like the Law of Moses. Many Psalms and other poems coorelate types of heaven sent water (like rain or dew) with laws of some kind. They can be as informal as a tradition or codified law as in the 613 laws of Moses or ceremonial law like hand washing.

Stored water (from rain) as in cisterns (hidden treasure) would often becomes brakish and undrinkable. Nothing good lives in stored water

Wells had an owner...as in the person who dug the well. Descendants only were allowed to drink from it as they were heirs. Again nothing lived in Wells...and sometimes they went bad poisoning everyone.

Springs and creeks and rivers had "living water" as it always flowed and moved.
Mikvehs (ceremonial bathing facilities for Levites before they could put on priestly robes and underclothes) had to be fed by a spring and flow...thus "living water".
A few homes had indoor water which were fed by springs....very expensive.

The Romans usually put a pagan statue at every water spring and said that their gods gave them the water...which really upset the ceremonially clean Jews who would refuse to drink.

After " man" was finished with water that God had given them it flowed to the sea...as in the Sea of Galilee. The sea was tehovm. Which had the meaning of abyss and chaos.
When the soles of a person's foot is placed on something it was a means for showing utter contempt for it. By walking on the Sea of Galilee Jesus was showing the utter contempt He had for what they had done to what he had given them.

After this miracle Jesus went about "breaking" all of the Laws as they understood them. (Ignore chapter divisions). Jesus broke all law types from traditions to customs and even worked on the Sabbath.

So getting to Peter.
Peter had an argument with Paul in the book of Acts. Remember why?
Now considering the falling into the chaotic sea...wouldn't this "sinking" seem more of a prophesy of things to come than a failing to "tap into power" that really never was his to begin with?
 
Out of 39 versions only 2 did not say carpenter it said Joiner in Moffatt and woodworker in basic english bible
I use kjv its been around many years before these newer versions. and saved many more people than anythinf printed in the last 2o years.
'Carpenter' in the Bible
Isa 41:7
So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smootheth with the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the sodering: and he fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved.

KJV
Verse Concepts
Isa 44:13
The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.

KJV
Verse Concepts
Mrk 6:3
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

KJV
Verse Concepts
Search Results by Versions
All Versions
Search Results by Book
All Books
Old Testament (2)
New Testament (1)
Related Words
Bible Theasaurus
Reverse Interlinear
Strong's
Root Form
Definition
Usage

H2796
חרשׁ
Charash
carpenter , workman , craftsman , engraver , artificers , smith , makers , skilful , smith , workers , wrought
37

H6086
עץ
`ets
tree , wood , timber , stick , gallows , staff , stock , carpenter , branches , helve , planks , stalks
329

G5045
τέκτων
Tekton
carpenter
2
Strongs isn't the only Dictionary and quoting sources that use Strongs Dictionary is not proof. It's repeating one source. But tradition is hard for many to overcome. UBS4 is the Greek/Early Latin of the New Testament and the BHS is the Old.

Try using a GK Dictionary. See if the answer changes. (It's a newer work not dependant upon KJV)
 
Beautiful :)
read something like your post and wow it touched my heart...
then your Ziggy comes into view.. .i laugh every time
I wanna die like Grandpa, peacefully and in his sleep. Not like the passengers in his car, they were all screaming and panicking.
 
Heading to bed... See yawl tomorrow
 
What Was Jesus' regular occupation before he became a "rabbi"?


Maybe the real question is: has he ever left off from that occupation? Like reba, I too would have said carpenter. Now you might look at the Greek word and find it means a Laborer, but then would we not be chasing after the letter of the word rather than the Spirit. In listening to the Spirit of the word, then I would have to classify him as a Builder. For it was given unto him to build the Temple of the Lord, a task I am quite certain he continues to this day. "In my Father house there are many mansion, I go that I might prepare a place for you."
 
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