[_ Old Earth _] The creation of light

[Capt. Kirk]

Now that Thanksgiving is over, I can think. Hope everyone enjoyed theirs. It's interesting how the majority of my atheist friends don't share the joy of just giving "Thanks." I do.

This is a wonderful subject being discussed. Without becoming prolix, I'd like to inject my ten
cents worth.

Information Theory is a new field of science that has many Creationist adherents. Dr. Gerhard
Witt has an excellent book offered by Answers in Genesis..."In the Beginning was Information."
Since I'm presenting brief concepts, I'll not cite it. I'll just recommend it.

Cosmologists are trying to redefine the first few seconds of our "Existence." The Big Bang has
way too many holes in its logic, and even with Inflation Theory, it's still shaky. But, it's all the other side has to offer.

Thus, cosmologists are re-examining their definition of time. The newest idea is that Time is the
engine that drives Entropy which in turn reads the Information defining the universe. Biblically, this works.

Strong defines the Genesis "Day"/yom as heat. That means physics.
If Creation was an uninterrupted process, phase to phase, it could happen in an "instant."
Reference: 1 Co 15:52 & 2 Pet 3:13...Assuming the Second Coming is tied in with the new
heaven/earth, then the new heaven/earth would appear in an instant.

Also, if all the information defining our present universe is read, and there is no more info,
then our universe would out of necessity have to disappear. Hence, the new heaven/earth.
Secondly, there would be no entropy. And no time.

Which brings us back to Creation. Until sin in the Garden, time could not have existed since
there was no sin and sin caused the entropic conditions that results in man's fall and death, etc.
Creation would be instantaneous phase to phase (I like the idea of structural parallelism) and
"day" would retain the definition of heat, which I feel is more proper.

The light of day one would be a function of Newtonian Physics. If a static body reduces its
intrinsic potential by moving to a lower energy level, energy is emitted. Visible light, invisible
light, radiation, etc., are some of the resultants.

If the structural matter of our universe came from God, it would be devolved from a higher
energy (God = infinite = infinite mass = infinite energy.) Positing a Fundamental Particle (my
term - a bit of God's essence) into a vacuum (space), the result would be a release of energy and formation of matter.

Thus, emitted light would first appear, then light from suns would follow.

Isn't the Bible an exciting book!

 

[lordkalvan]

Strong defines the Genesis "Day"/yom as heat. That means physics.....

Can you reference this definition, please? According to Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions:
yôm is variously interpreted as:
1. day, time, year
a. day (as opposed to night)
b. day (24 hour period)
i. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
ii. as a division of time
A. a working day, a day’s journey
c. days, lifetime (plural)
d. time, period (general)
e. year
f. temporal references
i. today
ii. yesterday
iii. tomorrow

What grounds are there for interpreting yom as heat? And why do you conclude that heat 'means physics'? Why not meteorology or chemistry?

 

[Capt. Kirk]

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible

p. 48/Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary

3117 (Hebrew Script for English Day) from an unused root meaning 'to be hot.'

there's a group of renderings which are too numerous to mention.

 

[lordkalvan]

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible

p. 48/Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary

3117 (Hebrew Script for English Day) from an unused root meaning 'to be hot.'

there's a group of renderings which are too numerous to mention.

Many thanks for that reference. What reason do you have for preferring this interpretation of yom in this context rather than what appears to be the generally accepted one?

 

[Capt. Kirk]

Consensus: 1.an opinion held by all or most. 2.general agreement, esp. in opinion

Religion follows a 'consensus.'

Christianity does not.

There is a general religious feeling that, in spiritual matters, the majority is always right.

I challenge you to find one place in the Bible where, when it came to a spiritual matter, the
majority was EVER right.

Kirk out

 

[lordkalvan]

Consensus: 1.an opinion held by all or most. 2.general agreement, esp. in opinion

Religion follows a 'consensus.'

Christianity does not.

There is a general religious feeling that, in spiritual matters, the majority is always right.

I challenge you to find one place in the Bible where, when it came to a spiritual matter, the
majority was EVER right.

1. Is the meaning of yom a spiritual matter or a linguistic one?
2. Define what costitutes a religious 'majority' in regard to the Bible.
3. For that matter, define what constitutes a religious 'minority' in regard to the Bible.
4. Having defined the terms of reference, what grounds are there for preferring minority opinion A over minority opinions B, C, D, etc.
5. I remain puzzled, nevertheless, by your challenge. Do not the majority of Christians believe Christ to be the Son of God, to have died for humanity and to have risen again? Is this not a spiritual matter? Are they right about this or not?

 

[Capt. Kirk]

I'll address query 5 and then I'm done....

First, think. Then, ponder. Then, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance. Then talk.

If you ask the majority of humans alive now on earth, the majority will say that
Christ is anything but God incarnate.

I can't continue. Sorry.

Kirk out

 

[lordkalvan]

^ Some goal-post shifting there, but if you don't want to say anything else then I suppose I'll just have to be left scratching my head with an air of bewilderment.

 

[Dante-Alighieri]

Consensus: 1.an opinion held by all or most. 2.general agreement, esp. in opinion

Religion follows a 'consensus.'

Christianity does not.

There is a general religious feeling that, in spiritual matters, the majority is always right.

I challenge you to find one place in the Bible where, when it came to a spiritual matter, the
majority was EVER right.

Kirk out

By this train of thought, then Judaism and Islam are not religions either, as there are broad sects within each of them as well.

However, I don't think religion definitively relies on a consensus across all aspects of the religion to begin with. But their is overall a consensus among all sects of Christianity in terms of basic tenets, which does in fact qualify it as a religion.

BTW - If Christianity is no longer a religion, does that mean churches will start paying taxes now?




Dante

 

[Rick W]

Please.

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