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The Cross Is From Paganism

CherubRam

CherubRam

Judaic Christian
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The religious symbolism of the cross has its roots in ancient paganism. It became a symbol of Christianity only after the time of Constantine. The historical record shows that Christianity adapted the influences of pagan worship, which included the symbol of the cross.

Christ died on a (stake / poll) in fulfillment of Moses prophecy. The cross is the mark of the (Beast / Nation.)
 
CherubRam said:
The religious symbolism of the cross has its roots in ancient paganism. It became a symbol of Christianity only after the time of Constantine. The historical record shows that Christianity adapted the influences of pagan worship, which included the symbol of the cross.

Christ died on a (stake / poll) in fulfillment of Moses prophecy. The cross is the mark of the (Beast / Nation.)
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No. The cross is how Romans crucified people. It’s a symbol of Christ’s atoning death.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/ancient-crucifixion-images/

It was used early, but not always in plain sight:

https://www.jesuswalk.com/christian-symbols/cross.htm
 
CherubRam said:
The religious symbolism of the cross has its roots in ancient paganism. It became a symbol of Christianity only after the time of Constantine. The historical record shows that Christianity adapted the influences of pagan worship, which included the symbol of the cross.

Christ died on a (stake / poll) in fulfillment of Moses prophecy. The cross is the mark of the (Beast / Nation.)
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Paganism always tries to claim what belongs to God. Yes, Jesus died on a stake. But I believe it formed a cross. At the very least, we know what the cross symbolizes for those of us who have faith in the resurrection and atonement of Christ. Why give so much attention to how pagans view it?
 
CherubRam said:
The religious symbolism of the cross has its roots in ancient paganism. It became a symbol of Christianity only after the time of Constantine. The historical record shows that Christianity adapted the influences of pagan worship, which included the symbol of the cross.

Christ died on a (stake / poll) in fulfillment of Moses prophecy. The cross is the mark of the (Beast / Nation.)
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You lose your credibility and make all of these a farce when you tie it to the mark. I would've liked to have some serious discussion with you on this topic had you not driven into another wild mark conspiracy theory.
 
Free said:
No. The cross is how Romans crucified people. It’s a symbol of Christ’s atoning death.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/crucifixion/ancient-crucifixion-images/

It was used early, but not always in plain sight:

https://www.jesuswalk.com/christian-symbols/cross.htm
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The messiah had to be crucified on a stake or poll in order to fulfill prophecy. The (cross) thing is a Catholic corruption.
History tells us that during the times of the Romans, many people were often crucified on a stake.
The mark of the beast is the cross.
Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
You lose your credibility and make all of these a farce when you tie it to the mark. I would've liked to have some serious discussion with you on this topic had you not driven into another wild mark conspiracy theory.
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Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
 
CherubRam said:
Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
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And what does any of these have to do with 666 or the name of the beast?
 
Another irrelevant post.

Jesus has been crucified, we have the benefit of his resurrection.

Debate about a cross or a stake is pointless, like arguing over the dress a bride wore a thousand years ago.

Get with it, one is either a Christian or one is not, what is believed about the cross is as relevant as the above wedding dress, live for Jesus in the reality of what he has done for us.
 
CherubRam said:
The religious symbolism of the cross has its roots in ancient paganism. It became a symbol of Christianity only after the time of Constantine. The historical record shows that Christianity adapted the influences of pagan worship, which included the symbol of the cross.

Christ died on a (stake / poll) in fulfillment of Moses prophecy. The cross is the mark of the (Beast / Nation.)
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I see that you are troubled by the complexities of symbolism and the evolution of our faith. It is natural to question the origins of the cross, a symbol so deeply ingrained in our Christian tradition. I would say that the human experience is replete with examples of adaptation and integration. The early Christians, in their zeal to spread the Good News, drew upon the cultural and symbolic language of their time, including the pagan symbolism of the cross.

But, let us not confuse the symbol with the substance. The true power of the cross lies not in its historical origins, but in the significant act of love and sacrifice that it represents. Christ's death on the stake, or pole, was a fulfillment of prophecy, yes, but it was also a radical expression of God's love for humanity.

As for the mark of the Beast or Nation, let us be cautious not to conflate scripture with our own anxieties and fears. The cross, as a symbol of our faith, is not a mark of oppression or control, but a reminder of our call to love, compassion, and service.

In the end, it is not the symbol that saves us, but the love and mercy of God, poured out for us on the cross. Let us fix our gaze on the substance of our faith, rather than getting caught up in the complexities of symbolism. For in the words of St. Paul, "the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18)
 
deepfaithpraise said:
I see that you are troubled by the complexities of symbolism and the evolution of our faith. It is natural to question the origins of the cross, a symbol so deeply ingrained in our Christian tradition. I would say that the human experience is replete with examples of adaptation and integration. The early Christians, in their zeal to spread the Good News, drew upon the cultural and symbolic language of their time, including the pagan symbolism of the cross.

But, let us not confuse the symbol with the substance. The true power of the cross lies not in its historical origins, but in the significant act of love and sacrifice that it represents. Christ's death on the stake, or pole, was a fulfillment of prophecy, yes, but it was also a radical expression of God's love for humanity.

As for the mark of the Beast or Nation, let us be cautious not to conflate scripture with our own anxieties and fears. The cross, as a symbol of our faith, is not a mark of oppression or control, but a reminder of our call to love, compassion, and service.

In the end, it is not the symbol that saves us, but the love and mercy of God, poured out for us on the cross. Let us fix our gaze on the substance of our faith, rather than getting caught up in the complexities of symbolism. For in the words of St. Paul, "the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18)
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Well said and far more graciously than I could write.
 
deepfaithpraise said:
I see that you are troubled by the complexities of symbolism and the evolution of our faith. It is natural to question the origins of the cross, a symbol so deeply ingrained in our Christian tradition. I would say that the human experience is replete with examples of adaptation and integration. The early Christians, in their zeal to spread the Good News, drew upon the cultural and symbolic language of their time, including the pagan symbolism of the cross.

But, let us not confuse the symbol with the substance. The true power of the cross lies not in its historical origins, but in the significant act of love and sacrifice that it represents. Christ's death on the stake, or pole, was a fulfillment of prophecy, yes, but it was also a radical expression of God's love for humanity.

As for the mark of the Beast or Nation, let us be cautious not to conflate scripture with our own anxieties and fears. The cross, as a symbol of our faith, is not a mark of oppression or control, but a reminder of our call to love, compassion, and service.

In the end, it is not the symbol that saves us, but the love and mercy of God, poured out for us on the cross. Let us fix our gaze on the substance of our faith, rather than getting caught up in the complexities of symbolism. For in the words of St. Paul, "the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18)
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Sorry. My answers were deleted.
 
CherubRam said:
The messiah had to be crucified on a stake or poll in order to fulfill prophecy. The (cross) thing is a Catholic corruption.
History tells us that during the times of the Romans, many people were often crucified on a stake.
The mark of the beast is the cross.
Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
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Where is your evidence for any of this?
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
And where is this title on anybody's forehand or right hand?
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The mark of the cross is made on the forehead with ash during lent.

Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
 
Free said:
Where is your evidence for any of this?
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The Bible and history books.

The mark of the cross is made on the forehead with ash during lent.

Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
 
CherubRam said:
The Bible and history books.

The mark of the cross is made on the forehead with ash during lent.

Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
Click to expand...
So, yet again, no source, just opinion.
 
CherubRam said:
The mark of the cross is made on the forehead with ash during lent.

Sign of the cross
The Byzantine sign of the cross made with the right hand.

The Byzantine sign of the cross is made with thumb and the first two fingers of the right hand joined at the tips. The third and fourth fingers are closed on the palm.

The Byzantine way of making the sign of the cross pre-dates the Latin style used by the Roman Catholics.

The sign of the Trinity and Cross are both in the right hand.

The Hebrew word for sin is "chet," which literally means "missing the mark.”

The sign of being forgiven.
During the ancient days of Israel, if a person was forgiven in a court, the person would receive a single ash mark on their forehead for everyone to see; that was done in remembrance of Moses’s snake on a pole.

The Catholic mark is a cross on the fore head made with a trinity sign with the right hand. By the way, the word “cross’ is not biblical; it was added to scriptures.
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You're not in a mood for conversation, are you. Now you're just copuy pasting. Why do you bother to reply?
 
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