Bible Study THE DEAD, WHERE ARE THEY? (SHEOL/HADES, GEHENNA, TARTARUS)

[Johann!@#]

THE DEAD, WHERE ARE THEY? (SHEOL/HADES, GEHENNA, TARTARUS)

I. Old Testament

A. All humans go to Sheol (there are no cognate roots and the etymology is uncertain, BDB 982, KB 1368), which was a way of referring to the place where the dead live or the grave, mostly in Wisdom Literature and Isaiah. In the OT it was a shadowy, conscious, but joyless existence (cf. Job 10:21-22; 38:17)

B. Sheol characterized

1. associated with God's judgment (fire), Deut. 32:22

2. a prison with gates, Job 38:17; Ps. 9:13; 107:18

3. a land of no return, Job 7:9 (an Akkadian title for death)

4. a land/realm of darkness, Job 10:21-22; 17:13; 18:18

5. a place of silence, Ps. 28:1; 31:17; 94:17; 115:17; Isa. 47:5

6. associated with punishment even before Judgment Day, Ps. 18:4-5

7. associated with abaddon (destruction; see Special Topic: Abaddon. . .Apollyon), in which God is also present, Job 26:6; Ps. 139:8; Amos 9:2

8. associated with "the Pit" (grave), Ps.16:10; 88:3-4; Isa. 14:15; Ezek. 31:15-17

9. wicked descend alive into Sheol, Num. 16:30,33; Job 7:9; Ps. 55:15

10. personified often as an animal with a large mouth, Num. 16:30; Pro. 1:12; Isa. 5:14; Hab. 2:5

11. people there called Repha'im (i.e., "spirits of the dead"), Job 26:5; Pro. 2:18; 21:16; 26:14 Isa. 14:9-11)

12. however, YHWH is present even here, Job 26:6; Ps. 139:8; Pro. 15:11



II. New Testament

A. The Hebrew Sheol is translated by the Greek Hades (the unseen world)

B. Hades characterized (much like Sheol)

1. refers to death, Matt. 16:18

2. linked to death, Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13-14

3. often analogous to the place of permanent punishment (Gehenna), Matt. 11:23 (OT quote); Luke 10:15; 16:23-24

4. often analogous to the grave, Luke 16:23

C. Possibly divided (rabbis)

1. righteous part called Paradise (really another name for heaven, cf. 2 Cor. 12:4; Rev. 2:7), Luke 23:43

2. wicked part called Tartarus, a holding place far below Hades, 2 Peter 2:4, where it is a holding place for evil angels (cf. Genesis 6; I Enoch). It is associated with the "Abyss," Luke 8:31; Rom. 10:7; Rev. 9:1-2,11; 11:7; 17:18; 20:1,3

D. Gehenna

1. Reflects the OT phrase, "the valley of the sons of Hinnom," (south of Jerusalem). It was the place where the Phoenician fire god, Molech (BDB 574, KB 591), was worshiped by child sacrifice (cf. 2 Kgs. 16:3; 21:6; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:6), which was forbidden in Lev. 18:21; 20:2-5.

2. Jeremiah changed it from a place of pagan worship into a site of YHWH's judgment (cf. Jer. 7:32; 19:6-7). It became the place of fiery, eternal judgment in I Enoch 90:26-27 and Sib. 1:103.

3. The Jews of Jesus' day were so appalled by their ancestors' participation in pagan worship by child sacrifice, that they turned this area into the garbage dump for Jerusalem. Many of Jesus' metaphors for eternal judgment came from this landfill (fire, smoke, worms, stench, cf. Mark 9:44,46). The term Gehenna is used only by Jesus (except in James 3:6).

4. Jesus' usage of Gehenna

a. fire, Matt. 5:22; 18:9; Mark 9:43

b. permanent, Mark 9:48 (Matt. 25:46)

c. place of destruction (both soul and body), Matt. 10:28

d. paralleled to Sheol, Matt. 5:29-30; 18:9

e. characterizes the wicked as "son of hell," Matt. 23:15

f. result of judicial sentence, Matt. 23:33; Luke 12:5

g. the concept of Gehenna is parallel to the second death (cf. Rev. 2:11; 20:6,14) or the lake of fire (cf. Matt. 13:42,50; Rev. 19:20; 20:10,14-15; 21:8). It is possible the lake of fire becomes the permanent dwelling place of humans (from Sheol) and evil angels (from Tartarus, 2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 1:6 or the abyss, cf. Luke 8:31; Rev. 9:1-11; 20:1,3).

h. it was not designed for humans, but for Satan and his angels, Matt. 25:41

E. It is possible, because of the overlap of Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna that

1. originally all humans went to Sheol/Hades

2. their experience there (good/bad) is exacerbated after Judgment Day, but the place of the wicked remains the same (this is why the KJV translated hades (grave) as gehenna (hell).

3. the only NT text to mention torment before Judgment is the parable of Luke 16:19-31 (Lazarus and the Rich Man). Sheol is also described as a place of punishment now (cf. Deut. 32:22; Ps. 18:1-5). However, one cannot establish a doctrine on a parable.



III. Intermediate state between death and resurrection

A. The NT does not teach the "immortality of the soul," which is one of several ancient views of the after life, which asserts that

1. human souls exist before their physical life

2. human souls are eternal before and after physical death

3. often the physical body is seen as a prison and death as release back to pre-existent state

B. The NT hints at a disembodied state between death and resurrection

1. Jesus speaks of a division between body and soul, Matt. 10:28

2. Abraham may already have a body, Mark 12:26-27; Luke 16:23

3. Moses and Elijah have a physical body at the transfiguration, Matthew 17

4. Paul asserts that at the Second Coming the believers with Christ will get their new bodies first, 1 Thess. 4:13-18

5. Paul asserts that believers get their new spiritual bodies on Resurrection Day, 1 Cor. 15:23,52

6. Paul asserts that believers do not go to Hades, but at death are with Jesus, 2 Cor. 5:6,8; Phil. 1:23. Jesus overcame death and took the righteous to heaven with Him, 1 Pet. 3:18-22.



IV. Heaven

A. This term is used in three senses in the Bible.

1. the atmosphere above the earth, Gen. 1:1,8; Isa. 42:5; 45:18

2. the starry heavens, Gen. 1:14; Deut. 10:14; Ps. 148:4; Heb. 4:14; 7:26

3. the place of God's throne, Deut. 10:14; 1 Kgs. 8:27; Ps. 148:4; Eph. 4:10; Heb. 9:24 (third heaven, 2 Cor. 12:2)

B. The Bible does not reveal much about the afterlife, probably because fallen humans have no way or capacity to understand (cf. 1 Cor. 2:9).

C. Heaven is both a place (cf. John 14:2-3) and a person (cf. 2 Cor. 5:6,8). Heaven may be a restored Garden of Eden (Genesis 1-2; Revelation 21-22). The earth will be cleansed and restored (cf. Acts 3:21; Rom. 8:21; 2 Pet. 3:10). The image of God (Gen. 1:26-27) is restored in Christ. Now the intimate fellowship of the Garden of Eden is possible again.

However, this may be metaphorical (heaven as a huge, cubed city of Rev. 21:9-27) and not literal. 1 Corinthians 15 describes the difference between the physical body and the spiritual body as the seed to the mature plant. Again, 1 Cor. 2:9 (a quote from Isa. 64:4 and 65:17) is a great promise and hope! I know that when we see Him we will be like Him (cf. 1 John 3:2).



V. Helpful resources

A. William Hendriksen, The Bible On the Life Hereafter

B. Maurice Rawlings, Beyond Death's Door

 

[Mr. G Lee]

A. All humans go to Sheol (there are no cognate roots and the etymology is uncertain, BDB 982, KB 1368), which was a way of referring to the place where the dead live or the grave, mostly in Wisdom Literature and Isaiah. In the OT it was a shadowy, conscious, but joyless existence (cf. Job 10:21-22; 38:17)

All experience the daily sufferings of hell crying out for power from the father like Jonas or Jesus in the garden.

The wage of sin. . . in dying or sufferings comes annihilation

There names will not be found book of life. It is like they never experienced life .. .existed
when we do get our new incorruptible then we can experience life to the fulness as before the fall, no . . death and suffering. . death and sufferings now.

 

[Johann!@#]

All experience the daily sufferings of hell crying out for power from the father like Jonas or Jesus in the garden.

The wage of sin. . . in dying or sufferings comes annihilation

There names will not be found book of life. It is like they never experienced life .. .existed
when we do get our new incorruptible then we can experience life to the fulness as before the fall, no . . death and suffering. . death and sufferings now.

Do you believe in the cessation of the nephesh-or conscious, eternal torment?

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Do you believe in the cessation of the nephesh-or conscious, eternal torment?

A soul is the means of communing between two spirits as in . . can two walk together in agreement with the living abiding word of God ?

God breathed in the communication ability. And man created man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

When God's soul departed on day three because of pride in the heart of Lucifer the soul of mankind died. because of it as soon as mankind is born we go forth telling lies he teaches us the gospel truth as Jesus said marvel not a person must be born from above inspired by God Not earthly inspired by the devil the god of this world.

 

[Johann!@#]

When God's soul departed on day three because of pride in the heart of Lucifer the soul of mankind died.

Scripture reference?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Scripture reference?

There would appear to be a stark contrast between the OP's supporting use of scripture and his respondent's lack thereof, so for future reference I'm not sure I'd be making such a request, Lol.

this may be metaphorical (heaven as a huge, cubed city of Rev. 21:9-27) and not literal.

About this, I once thought that is what was being referred to as well, but the dimensions don't necessarily mean the shape is in that of a cube. It just means that the highest point is equivalent to the depth and width, much like the dimensions of many of our larger cities. Think pyramid-shaped, not cube, and you would be more on target with what Revelations was actually referring to, IMO. The highest buildings in a large city are in the center, so I think the principle will be largely the same with the city of God, though it may be more to do with the landscaping and topography than with skyscrapers.

 

[Hidden In Him]

THE DEAD, WHERE ARE THEY? (SHEOL/HADES, GEHENNA, TARTARUS)

I. Old Testament

A. All humans go to Sheol (there are no cognate roots and the etymology is uncertain, BDB 982, KB 1368), which was a way of referring to the place where the dead live or the grave, mostly in Wisdom Literature and Isaiah. In the OT it was a shadowy, conscious, but joyless existence (cf. Job 10:21-22; 38:17)

B. Sheol characterized

1. associated with God's judgment (fire), Deut. 32:22

2. a prison with gates, Job 38:17; Ps. 9:13; 107:18

3. a land of no return, Job 7:9 (an Akkadian title for death)

4. a land/realm of darkness, Job 10:21-22; 17:13; 18:18

5. a place of silence, Ps. 28:1; 31:17; 94:17; 115:17; Isa. 47:5

6. associated with punishment even before Judgment Day, Ps. 18:4-5

7. associated with abaddon (destruction; see Special Topic: Abaddon. . .Apollyon), in which God is also present, Job 26:6; Ps. 139:8; Amos 9:2

8. associated with "the Pit" (grave), Ps.16:10; 88:3-4; Isa. 14:15; Ezek. 31:15-17

9. wicked descend alive into Sheol, Num. 16:30,33; Job 7:9; Ps. 55:15

10. personified often as an animal with a large mouth, Num. 16:30; Pro. 1:12; Isa. 5:14; Hab. 2:5

11. people there called Repha'im (i.e., "spirits of the dead"), Job 26:5; Pro. 2:18; 21:16; 26:14 Isa. 14:9-11)

12. however, YHWH is present even here, Job 26:6; Ps. 139:8; Pro. 15:11



II. New Testament

A. The Hebrew Sheol is translated by the Greek Hades (the unseen world)

B. Hades characterized (much like Sheol)

1. refers to death, Matt. 16:18

2. linked to death, Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13-14

3. often analogous to the place of permanent punishment (Gehenna), Matt. 11:23 (OT quote); Luke 10:15; 16:23-24

4. often analogous to the grave, Luke 16:23

C. Possibly divided (rabbis)

1. righteous part called Paradise (really another name for heaven, cf. 2 Cor. 12:4; Rev. 2:7), Luke 23:43

2. wicked part called Tartarus, a holding place far below Hades, 2 Peter 2:4, where it is a holding place for evil angels (cf. Genesis 6; I Enoch). It is associated with the "Abyss," Luke 8:31; Rom. 10:7; Rev. 9:1-2,11; 11:7; 17:18; 20:1,3

D. Gehenna

1. Reflects the OT phrase, "the valley of the sons of Hinnom," (south of Jerusalem). It was the place where the Phoenician fire god, Molech (BDB 574, KB 591), was worshiped by child sacrifice (cf. 2 Kgs. 16:3; 21:6; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:6), which was forbidden in Lev. 18:21; 20:2-5.

2. Jeremiah changed it from a place of pagan worship into a site of YHWH's judgment (cf. Jer. 7:32; 19:6-7). It became the place of fiery, eternal judgment in I Enoch 90:26-27 and Sib. 1:103.

3. The Jews of Jesus' day were so appalled by their ancestors' participation in pagan worship by child sacrifice, that they turned this area into the garbage dump for Jerusalem. Many of Jesus' metaphors for eternal judgment came from this landfill (fire, smoke, worms, stench, cf. Mark 9:44,46). The term Gehenna is used only by Jesus (except in James 3:6).

4. Jesus' usage of Gehenna

a. fire, Matt. 5:22; 18:9; Mark 9:43

b. permanent, Mark 9:48 (Matt. 25:46)

c. place of destruction (both soul and body), Matt. 10:28

d. paralleled to Sheol, Matt. 5:29-30; 18:9

e. characterizes the wicked as "son of hell," Matt. 23:15

f. result of judicial sentence, Matt. 23:33; Luke 12:5

g. the concept of Gehenna is parallel to the second death (cf. Rev. 2:11; 20:6,14) or the lake of fire (cf. Matt. 13:42,50; Rev. 19:20; 20:10,14-15; 21:8). It is possible the lake of fire becomes the permanent dwelling place of humans (from Sheol) and evil angels (from Tartarus, 2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 1:6 or the abyss, cf. Luke 8:31; Rev. 9:1-11; 20:1,3).

h. it was not designed for humans, but for Satan and his angels, Matt. 25:41

E. It is possible, because of the overlap of Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna that

1. originally all humans went to Sheol/Hades

2. their experience there (good/bad) is exacerbated after Judgment Day, but the place of the wicked remains the same (this is why the KJV translated hades (grave) as gehenna (hell).

3. the only NT text to mention torment before Judgment is the parable of Luke 16:19-31 (Lazarus and the Rich Man). Sheol is also described as a place of punishment now (cf. Deut. 32:22; Ps. 18:1-5). However, one cannot establish a doctrine on a parable.



III. Intermediate state between death and resurrection

A. The NT does not teach the "immortality of the soul," which is one of several ancient views of the after life, which asserts that

1. human souls exist before their physical life

2. human souls are eternal before and after physical death

3. often the physical body is seen as a prison and death as release back to pre-existent state

B. The NT hints at a disembodied state between death and resurrection

1. Jesus speaks of a division between body and soul, Matt. 10:28

2. Abraham may already have a body, Mark 12:26-27; Luke 16:23

3. Moses and Elijah have a physical body at the transfiguration, Matthew 17

4. Paul asserts that at the Second Coming the believers with Christ will get their new bodies first, 1 Thess. 4:13-18

5. Paul asserts that believers get their new spiritual bodies on Resurrection Day, 1 Cor. 15:23,52

6. Paul asserts that believers do not go to Hades, but at death are with Jesus, 2 Cor. 5:6,8; Phil. 1:23. Jesus overcame death and took the righteous to heaven with Him, 1 Pet. 3:18-22.



IV. Heaven

A. This term is used in three senses in the Bible.

1. the atmosphere above the earth, Gen. 1:1,8; Isa. 42:5; 45:18

2. the starry heavens, Gen. 1:14; Deut. 10:14; Ps. 148:4; Heb. 4:14; 7:26

3. the place of God's throne, Deut. 10:14; 1 Kgs. 8:27; Ps. 148:4; Eph. 4:10; Heb. 9:24 (third heaven, 2 Cor. 12:2)

B. The Bible does not reveal much about the afterlife, probably because fallen humans have no way or capacity to understand (cf. 1 Cor. 2:9).

C. Heaven is both a place (cf. John 14:2-3) and a person (cf. 2 Cor. 5:6,8). Heaven may be a restored Garden of Eden (Genesis 1-2; Revelation 21-22). The earth will be cleansed and restored (cf. Acts 3:21; Rom. 8:21; 2 Pet. 3:10). The image of God (Gen. 1:26-27) is restored in Christ. Now the intimate fellowship of the Garden of Eden is possible again.

However, this may be metaphorical (heaven as a huge, cubed city of Rev. 21:9-27) and not literal. 1 Corinthians 15 describes the difference between the physical body and the spiritual body as the seed to the mature plant. Again, 1 Cor. 2:9 (a quote from Isa. 64:4 and 65:17) is a great promise and hope! I know that when we see Him we will be like Him (cf. 1 John 3:2).



V. Helpful resources

A. William Hendriksen, The Bible On the Life Hereafter

B. Maurice Rawlings, Beyond Death's Door

This is a lot of reference, btw. Almost like an Encyclopedic piece one could go to for any Biblical reference on the afterlife.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Scripture reference?

What is it you are interested in. What a soul is? Or when did God saw pride in the heart of mankind and departed.

When did the Spirit of Christ stop communing with mankind like he did with king Saul to show his soul died??

1 Samuel 28: 6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

This is a lot of reference, btw. Almost like an Encyclopedic piece one could go to for any Biblical reference on the afterlife.

Encyclopedia? Might as wall go to Marvel Comics. The bible is a spiritual book it has no no comparison or equal .

 

[Mr. G Lee]

About this, I once thought that is what was being referred to as well, but the dimensions don't necessarily mean the shape is in that of a cube. It just means that the highest point is equivalent to the depth and width, much like the dimensions of many of our larger cities. Think pyramid-shaped, not cube, and you would be more on target with what Revelations was actually referring to, IMO. The highest buildings in a large city are in the center, so I think the principle will be largely the same with the city of God, though it may be more to do with the landscaping and topography than with skyscrapers.

It's called the golden or hidden measure.Gold represent faith the unseen eternal things of God a number no man literally count as a unknown the 144,000 is a number to describe the chaste virgin bride of Christ the church . . Christians

We are not of the number that compare oneself to oneself.and set up a hierarchy of men that lord it over the non venerable pew warmers called the confederacy. No literal sign was given.

2 Corinthians 10:12
For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Jesu said its a evil generation (in Adam all die) that does sek after one . They are the one that made Jesus into a circus seal preform a miracle, work your magic . .then when we see it with our own eyes then we will believe
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Christ who is reigning in the hearts of mankind as a miracle will leave like a thief in the night on the last day under the Sun.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Encyclopedia? Might as wall go to Marvel Comics.

I know where the comics are in this thread, but thanks for "sharing," Lol.

 

[Johann!@#]

This is a lot of reference, btw. Almost like an Encyclopedic piece one could go to for any Biblical reference on the afterlife.

Forgot to mention-from Utley.

J.

 

[Johann!@#]

There would appear to be a stark contrast between the OP's supporting use of scripture and his respondent's lack thereof, so for future reference I'm not sure I'd be making such a request, Lol.


About this, I once thought that is what was being referred to as well, but the dimensions don't necessarily mean the shape is in that of a cube. It just means that the highest point is equivalent to the depth and width, much like the dimensions of many of our larger cities. Think pyramid-shaped, not cube, and you would be more on target with what Revelations was actually referring to, IMO. The highest buildings in a large city are in the center, so I think the principle will be largely the same with the city of God, though it may be more to do with the landscaping and topography than with skyscrapers.

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Nah, but thanks for sharing brother.
J.

 

[for_his_glory]

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 is used by many to say when we die we immediately go to be with the Lord in heaven, but these verses do not mean that at all. If you go back to verse one and two in chapter 5 the tabernacle being spoken of is our fleshly body and when we are in the flesh we are separated from God because flesh and Spirit can not mix, Romans 8:6, 7. Sin separates us from God because God is a spirit and can only recognize his own children by what spirit is living in their hearts. We have to renew, rebirth – born again Gods Spirit within us in order to be called a child of God and see the kingdom of heaven, John 3:3-7. We now put off the old man (flesh) and put on the new man (Spirit), Colossians 3:1-17. We are renewed by the word of God and through the Holy Spirit teaching us of all things, John 14:26.

John 3:6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. When we are in the flesh or at home in the body this is our natural carnal being. When we are in the Spirit allowing Gods Spirit to take over the flesh then we are in the presence of the Lord through the Holy Spirit that dwells in us.

God breathed life (spirit) into us, Genesis 2:7, that made us a living soul and what goes back to God when this physical body dies (returns to the dust of the ground) is that very spirit of life God gave us, Ecclesiastics 12:7. Only those of faith under the old covenant (OT) and those of faith under the new covenant through Christ Jesus (NT) will God take that spirit back and reserve it until Christ returns. At that time we are raised with a new glorified body, 1Corintians 15:51-58; 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, and then we are given back that spirit of life to have everlasting life with the Father.

According to John 3:13 no one has ever ascended into heaven other than Christ. Scripture says we sleep in the ground until the coming of the Lord. Those whose names are written in the Lambs Book of Life will be raised to everlasting life with God and those who names are not found will face Gods Great White Throne Judgment and will be cast into the lake of fire, John 5:28, 29; Revelations 20:11-15.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance: Hell
Hebrew # 7585 Sheol, Hades, or the world of the dead, grave, hell, pit
Greek # 86 place of departed souls, grave, hell
Greek # 1067 Gehenna, the Valley of the sons of Hinnom South of Jerusalem, figuratively and literal of place of punishment.
Greek # 5020. Tartaroo tar-tar-o'-o from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment:--cast down to hell.

We have always been taught hell is a place where non-believers in God go to for eternity, but according to scripture this is not what hell is. Hell is described as the world of the dead, a place where the departed go that have died as being lowered in a grave/pit. There they are kept until the return of Christ to either stand in Gods Great White Throne judgment for those who are not found written in the Lambs Book of Life, Rev 20:11-15, or those who have died in Christ that will stand in his judgment to give an account for the things done here on earth, 2 Corinthians 5:10.

Hell is not the lake of fire as God gives us a description of the lake of fire as in fire and brimstone which can be used literal as in Sodom and Gomorrah burned to ashes and as a metaphor for torment, suffering, punishment or as Matthew 8:12 describes it as outer darkness. The New Testament description is a bottomless pit (abyss) (Revelation 20:3), a lake (Revelation 20:14), darkness (Matthew 25:30), death (Revelation 2:11), destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:9), everlasting torment (Revelation 20:10), a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 25:30), and a place of gradated punishment (Matthew 11:20-24; Luke 12:47-48; Revelation 20:12-13), everlasting fire Matthew 25:41, everlasting punishment, Matthew 25:46, lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[for_his_glory]

A soul is the means of communing between two spirits as in . . can two walk together in agreement with the living abiding word of God ?

God breathed in the communication ability. And man created man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

When God's soul departed on day three because of pride in the heart of Lucifer the soul of mankind died. because of it as soon as mankind is born we go forth telling lies he teaches us the gospel truth as Jesus said marvel not a person must be born from above inspired by God Not earthly inspired by the devil the god of this world.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Here dust + breath/spirit from God = a living soul. When the flesh dies physically it returns back to the dust of the ground and our spirit is preserved with God for final judgment.

Genesis 3:19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We return to the dust of the ground when this physical body dies and our breath/spirit returns to God as we wait for Gods final judgment when Christ returns, John 5:28-29.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Our spirit can never die and is preserved until Gods final judgment on the last day when Christ returns, John 5:28-29; John 6:40.

This body/flesh dies and deteriorates as it turns back to dust while in the ground. The breath/spirit goes back to God who gave it, Ecc 12:7. The soul which makes up the conscious part of ones being is that of thought, action and emotion. The spiritual nature of man regarded as immortal and separable from the body/flesh at death and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[for_his_glory]

When God's soul departed on day three because of pride in the heart of Lucifer the soul of mankind died.

Can you explain this with scripture?

 

[for_his_glory]

This is a lot of reference, btw. Almost like an Encyclopedic piece one could go to for any Biblical reference on the afterlife.

Sometimes it is best to give many references to study from as even I do this when needing to give the full context of what I present. Bible study is for studying the Bible by what others give in scripture.

 

[Johann!@#]

Sometimes it is best to give many references to study from as even I do this when needing to give the full context of what I present. Bible study is for studying the Bible by what others give in scripture.

I concur-some wants a very condensed answer-two liners max.
Thank you for going through my posts-it is a very unique style, a hermeneutical Eastern approach to Scriptures from Utley.
I don't post every day so no worries on if it is "too long".
J.

 

[Mr. G Lee]

Scripture reference?

When do you think the glory of God as the light of the world left and the two temporal time corruption keeper came winding down to the last day under the sun?

 

[Johann!@#]

When do you think the glory of God as the light of the world left and the two temporal time corruption keeper came winding down to the last day under the sun?

Scripture reference?

I prefer biblical terminologies and not to pontificate on sophistry.

Jos 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Yisroel, and were in the going down to Beit-Choron, that Hashem cast down avanim gedolot from Shomayim upon them unto Azekah, and they died; they were more which died with avnei habarad (hailstones) than they whom the Bnei Yisroel slaughtered with the cherev.
Jos 10:12 Then spoke Yehoshua to Hashem in the day when Hashem delivered up HaEmori before the Bnei Yisroel, and he said in the sight of Yisroel, Shemesh, stand thou still upon Giv'on; and thou, Yarei'ach, in the Emek Ayalon.
Jos 10:13 And the shemesh stood still, the yarei'ach stopped, until the Goy had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the Sefer HaYasher? So the shemesh stood still in the middle of Shomayim, and hastened not to go down about a yom tamim (whole day).
Jos 10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that Hashem paid heed unto the voice of an ish; for Hashem fought for Yisroel.

12 אָ֣ז Thenיְדַבֵּ֤ר spokeיְהוֹשֻׁעַ֙ Joshuaלַֽיהוָ֔ה to YHWHבְּי֗וֹם in the dayתֵּ֤ת when delivered upיְהוָה֙ YHWHאֶת־ -הָ֣אֱמֹרִ֔י the Amoritesלִפְנֵ֖י beforeבְּנֵ֣י the sonsיִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל of Israel,וַיֹּ֣אמֶר׀ and he saidלְעֵינֵ֣י in the sightיִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל of Israel,שֶׁ֚מֶשׁ Sun,בְּגִבְע֣וֹן over Gibeon;דּ֔וֹם stand stillוְיָרֵ֖חַ and Moon,בְּעֵ֥מֶק in the Valleyאַיָּלֽוֹן׃ of Aijalon.2 13 וַיִּדֹּ֨ם and stood still,הַשֶּׁ֜מֶשׁ the sunוְיָרֵ֣חַ and the moonעָמָ֗ד stopped,עַד־ Tillיִקֹּ֥ם had revengeגּוֹי֙ the peopleאֹֽיְבָ֔יו Upon their enemies.3 הֲלֹא־ [Is] notהִ֥יא itכְתוּבָ֖ה writtenעַל־ inסֵ֣פֶר the Scrollהַיָּשָׁ֑ר of the Upright one?4 וַיַּעֲמֹ֤ד so stood stillהַשֶּׁ֙מֶשׁ֙ the sunבַּחֲצִ֣י in the midstהַשָּׁמַ֔יִם of the heavens,וְלֹא־ and notאָ֥ץ did hastenלָב֖וֹא to go [down]כְּי֥וֹם for about a day5 תָּמִֽים׃ whole. 14 וְלֹ֨א and noהָיָ֜ה there has beenכַּיּ֤וֹם like dayהַהוּא֙ thatלְפָנָ֣יו before itוְאַחֲרָ֔יו or after itלִשְׁמֹ֥עַ that heededיְהוָ֖ה YHWHבְּק֣וֹל the voiceאִ֑ישׁ of a man;כִּ֣י forיְהוָ֔ה YHWHנִלְחָ֖ם foughtלְיִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃פ for Israel. 15 וַיָּ֤שָׁב and returned,יְהוֹשֻׁ֙עַ֙ Joshuaוְכָל־ and allיִשְׂרָאֵ֣ל Israelעִמּ֔וֹ with himאֶל־ toהַֽמַּחֲנֶ֖ה the campהַגִּלְגָּֽלָה׃ at Gilgal

וַיִּדֹּ֨ם הַשֶּׁ֜מֶשׁ וְיָרֵ֣חַ עָמָ֗ד עַד־יִקֹּ֥ם גּוֹי֙ אֹֽיְבָ֔יו הֲלֹא־הִ֥יא כְתוּבָ֖ה עַל־סֵ֣פֶר הַיָּשָׁ֑ר וַיַּעֲמֹ֤ד הַשֶּׁ֙מֶשׁ֙ בַּחֲצִ֣י הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם וְלֹא־אָ֥ץ לָב֖וֹא כְּי֥וֹם תָּמִֽים׃

And the sun stood still
And the moon halted,
While a nation wreaked judgment on its foes
—as is written in the Book of Jashar. *Book of Jashar Presumably a collection of war songs. Thus the sun halted in midheaven, and did not press on to set, for a whole day;

J.