Bible Study The Denominations Speak: The Sabbath

[herald]

A sign of The Antichrist is "...he thinks to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. He, only, "thinks to change," because, no man/institution can overrule our Creator and change His law. There is, only, one time in His Covenant - the Sabbath.

Catholic: "Question.-Have you any other way of proving that the church has the power to institute festivals of precept?'

"Answer.-Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." - Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, p. 174.

Presbyterian: "The Christian Sabbath (Sunday)is not in the Scripture, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath." - Dwight's theology, vol4, p. 401.

Congregational: "There is no command in the Bible requiring us to observe the first day of the week as the Christian Sabbath." - Fowler, Mode and Subjects of Baptism.

Lutheran: "The observance of the Lord's day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church." - "Augsburg Confession of Faith," quoted n Cox's Sabbath Manual, p. 287.

Episcopalian: "The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect, far from them and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday." - Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church, p. 186.

Methodist: "It is true there is no command for infant baptism...Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week." - Rev. Amos Binney, Theological Compend, pp. 180,182, 1902 ed.

Baptist: Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author if The Baptist Manual, before a New York Ministers' Conference, held, Nov 13, 1893 said, "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the wek, with all it's duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament, absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath insitution from the seventh to the first day of the week.

"Of course," he continues, "I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"

Our Creator instituted the Sabbath as part of the Creation Covenant with Adam, and so with all of mankind. Jesus referred to Himself, as the "Lord of the Sabbath." Mt 12:8; Mk 2:28; Lu 6:5. Sunday was called, "The Lord's day," in sun worship, common in the Roman Empire.

To say, that,the Sabbath is obsolete, is to reject the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, who prophesied, that the Sabbath would, still, be kept during The Great Tribulation: "But pray ye that your flight be not in winter, neither on the Sabbath day: for then shall be Great Tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be." Mt 24:20,21. And we are not there, yet.

When Jesus gave us the "Two Greatest Commandments," He was quoting the law. Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18. These two are a summation of The Ten:

If you love the Lord, supremely, you will not worship or bow down to other gods, take His name in vain, or, profane His holy day.

If you love your neighbor as yourself, you will honor your parents, do no murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, or covet.

"By this we know that we love the children of God (Greatest Commandment #2), when we love God (#1), and keep His commandments. For this is love that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:2,3.

Not for those who are under the New Covenant, and have His Covenant engraved upon their hearts and minds. Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10; 10:12-17. Born again believers are called, the "seed of Abraham." Ga 3:16,29. "For he is not a Jew, who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Rom 2:28,29.

"AS far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions (of the law: 1 John 3:4) from us...TO SUCH AS KEEP HIS COVENANT, AND TO THOSE THAT REMEMBER HIS COMMANDMENTS TO DO THEM." Ps 103.

Covenants have conditions.

Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15.

His church keeps His commandments: "And the Dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17.

His saints keep His commandments: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12.

At the very end of the Book of all Books, the Apostle John wrote, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

There are Ten Commandments - not nine. They are commandments and not requests.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." Ex 20:8.

 

[BFSmith764]

A sign of The Antichrist is "...he thinks to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. He, only, "thinks to change," because, no man/institution can overrule our Creator and change His law. There is, only, one time in His Covenant - the Sabbath.

Catholic: "Question.-Have you any other way of proving that the church has the power to institute festivals of precept?'

"Answer.-Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." - Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, p. 174.

Presbyterian: "The Christian Sabbath (Sunday)is not in the Scripture, and was not by the primitive church called the Sabbath." - Dwight's theology, vol4, p. 401.

Congregational: "There is no command in the Bible requiring us to observe the first day of the week as the Christian Sabbath." - Fowler, Mode and Subjects of Baptism.

Lutheran: "The observance of the Lord's day (Sunday) is founded not on any command of God, but on the authority of the church." - "Augsburg Confession of Faith," quoted n Cox's Sabbath Manual, p. 287.

Episcopalian: "The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect, far from them and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday." - Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church, p. 186.

Methodist: "It is true there is no command for infant baptism...Nor is there any for keeping holy the first day of the week." - Rev. Amos Binney, Theological Compend, pp. 180,182, 1902 ed.

Baptist: Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author if The Baptist Manual, before a New York Ministers' Conference, held, Nov 13, 1893 said, "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the wek, with all it's duties, privileges and sanctions. Earnestly desiring information on this subject, which I have studied for many years, I ask, Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament, absolutely not. There is no Scriptural evidence of the change of the Sabbath insitution from the seventh to the first day of the week.

"Of course," he continues, "I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes with the mark of Paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, when adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"

Our Creator instituted the Sabbath as part of the Creation Covenant with Adam, and so with all of mankind. Jesus referred to Himself, as the "Lord of the Sabbath." Mt 12:8; Mk 2:28; Lu 6:5. Sunday was called, "The Lord's day," in sun worship, common in the Roman Empire.

To say, that,the Sabbath is obsolete, is to reject the words of the Lord Jesus Christ, who prophesied, that the Sabbath would, still, be kept during The Great Tribulation: "But pray ye that your flight be not in winter, neither on the Sabbath day: for then shall be Great Tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be." Mt 24:20,21. And we are not there, yet.

When Jesus gave us the "Two Greatest Commandments," He was quoting the law. Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18. These two are a summation of The Ten:

If you love the Lord, supremely, you will not worship or bow down to other gods, take His name in vain, or, profane His holy day.

If you love your neighbor as yourself, you will honor your parents, do no murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, or covet.

"By this we know that we love the children of God (Greatest Commandment #2), when we love God (#1), and keep His commandments. For this is love that we keep His commandments: and His commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:2,3.

Not for those who are under the New Covenant, and have His Covenant engraved upon their hearts and minds. Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10; 10:12-17. Born again believers are called, the "seed of Abraham." Ga 3:16,29. "For he is not a Jew, who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Rom 2:28,29.

"AS far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions (of the law: 1 John 3:4) from us...TO SUCH AS KEEP HIS COVENANT, AND TO THOSE THAT REMEMBER HIS COMMANDMENTS TO DO THEM." Ps 103.

Covenants have conditions.

Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15.

His church keeps His commandments: "And the Dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Rev 12:17.

His saints keep His commandments: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12.

At the very end of the Book of all Books, the Apostle John wrote, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

There are Ten Commandments - not nine. They are commandments and not requests.

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." Ex 20:8.

The true Christian Sabbath or day of rest is not Sunday, Saturday or any day of the week; the Christian day of rest is Jesus.

Matthew 11:29 (ASV)
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

 

[herald]

That may sound good, but, it is, only, your interpretation. With all due respect to you, Are you saying, that, we should discount the Word of God for your interpretation? Where do you read that in the Scripture?

We are here to discuss His Word.

God called the Catholic/Protestant religious system, the "Mother of harlots." Rev 17. She has replaced much of the Word of God with her tradition.

He commanded us to keep His Sabbath holy. If He is your Lord, you will obey His Word.

 

[BFSmith764]

That may sound good, but, it is, only, your interpretation. Are you saying, that, we should discount the Word of God for your interpretation? Where do you read that in the Scripture?

Nowhere.

God called the Catholic/Protestant religious system, the "Mother of harlots." Rev 17. She has replaced much of the Word of God with her tradition.

He commanded us to keep His Sabbath holy. If He is your Lord, you will obey His Word.

I just gave a quote from Jesus Himself and yet you say, what I post cannot be found in the Bible?! Listen, I go to Church on Saturday, but neither I nor the Church that I attend believes that the seventh day Sabbath is binding on Christians. Sabbath keeping cannot save anyone....Jesus comes before any day, including the seventh day Sabbath….the sacrifice of Jesus is complete and lacks nothing. Many Jews in Jesus’ day kept the Sabbath, but rejected the one and only one who would have given them rest…..were they saved because they kept that seventh day Sabbath?

If one is going to believe that the seventh day Sabbath is binding on Christians, then why stop there? Why not keep all the Holy Days (days of unleavened bread, day of atonement and the feast of trumpet for example) that God commanded the children of Israel to keep?

 

[herald]

The Ten Commandment Covenant is, still, in effect.

The Scripture says, we will keep the Sabbath in His Kingdom:

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord." Isa 66:22,23.

The children of Israel said, that, they could keep His Covenant in their own strength, but failed. Ex 24:7. The New Covenant is His Covenant engraved upon our hearts and minds. That is why Jesus said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already committed adultery with her in his heart. Or, if you are angry with your brother, without cause, you are guilty of murder.

So, are you saying, that we can worship and bow down to other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, dishonor our parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Holy Spirit?

Jaems 2:10,11 tells us, that, if we break any of His commandments, we become transgressors of His law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

With all due respect, it doesn't sound like you have much reverence for God's Word.

You cannot separate the fourth commandment from His Covenant.

 

[BFSmith764]

The Ten Commandment Covenant is, still, in effect.

The Scripture says, we will keep the Sabbath in His Kingdom:

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord." Isa 66:22,23.

The children of Israel said, that, they could keep His Covenant in their own strength, but failed. Ex 24:7. The New Covenant is His Covenant engraved upon our hearts and minds. That is why Jesus said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already committed adultery with her in his heart. Or, if you are angry with your brother, without cause, you are guilty of murder.

So, are you saying, that we can worship and bow down to other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, dishonor our parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Holy Spirit?

Jaems 2:10,11 tells us, that, if we break any of His commandments, we become transgressors of His law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

With all due respect, it doesn't sound like you have much reverence for God's Word.

You cannot separate the fourth commandment from His Covenant.

You are convinced that what you believe is correct and I have no desire or intention to seek to change your mind. I have been where you are; I was just as convinced about what you believe about the seventh day Sabbath and all the other Holy Days, but as I, or we in our Church grew in grace and knowledge, we came to see that the Sabbath is more than observing the seventh day Sabbath. In light of what we have learnt, we could no longer teach and believe that Sabbath observation is required by God for Christians.....so take care my friend I will not argue with you; I believe that you have a sincere heart and if it's God's will He will one day show you what He has shown us.

 

[herald]

I have quoted to you the Word of God, yet, you do not believe it. Then, you don't believe, that, we are to keep His commandments.

Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15.

Again, it doesn't seem like you revere the Word of God.

 

[BFSmith764]

I have quoted to you the Word of God, yet, you do not believe it. Then, you don't believe, that, we are to keep His commandments.

Jesus said, "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15.

Again, it doesn't seem like you revere the Word of God.

Bye!

 

[Scott1]

Again, it doesn't seem like you revere the Word of God.

What about:

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

These seem to indicate, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead?

 

[BFSmith764]

[Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

This really does not mean that this was a Sunday service; one does not need to have a special day in the week to preach the word of God. Whatever day is convenient or appropriate; in fact any day can be used to preach God's word. If it were changed to Sunday, then Christians would be obligated to treat that day the same way as the Children of Israel were to treat the seventh day Sabbath. There is no scripture that says that Sunday is now exclusively holy for Christians…..any day can be Holy if we dedicate it to the service God. We are free to use any day we want for God.

[1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. .

This again was not a Sunday service, but a day, which happens to be Sunday, which they decided on to collectively provide food for there needy brethren in another aria...it was not offerings or collection for the ministers. If you study the entire chapter closely it will be clear what the Corinthian brethren were to store up and whom it was for.

[Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ..

This verse is not saying what some think it might be saying....it is not saying that Christians should not observe these days, but that no one has the authority to judge them in these things, only the Church has that right. Notice it says that these things are a shadow of things to come; they point to the real thing that is to come. When you see a shadow on the ground, caused by the sun light or some other light, when you look up you will see the real thing.

You see I do agree with herald on one thing and that is from what the scriptures show, which he post, it does indicate at least that the Holy Days will be kept in the millennium. I just disagree with him on it being binding on Christians.....its not a sin to observe but neither is it a sin not to. But there things we all could learn from those Holy Days.....I learnt a lot from them when we were observing it. The Holy Days do lay out God's plan of salvation for humanity.....not many have eyes to see it but its there.

[Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, .

This does not say which day it’s talking about, it just says that Lord's Day.....that could be any day.....in fact I don't believe that it's talking about a particular day but an event.

 

[herald]

Acts 20:7 says in the Greek, "On one of the Sabbaths..." Paul preached past sundown into the first day of the week.

The children of Israel, Jesus, His disciples, the New Testament Christians kept the Sabbath...just look in any concordance.

Again, Jesus prophesied, that, the Sabbath would still, be kept during The Great Tribulation. Mt 24:20,21. And we are not there, yet. Do you reject His prophesy? His Word trumps our interpretation, every time.

You are confusing the Ceremonial law with the Ten Commandment Covenant. Jesus was the clean, sacrificed for the unclean, so that we may be clean, circumcision is now of the heart, washings are baptism, the Sabbath Feast days have been fulfilled:

Passover: Our Passover Lamb
Unleavened Bread: He was without sin
Tabernacles: He "tabernacled among us"...

If the ceremonial law had not been fulfilled, we would, still, be sacrificing animals.

Ceremonial Law:

1. Is called, "the law contained in ordinances." Eph 2:15
2. Was spoken by Moses. Lev 1:1-3
3. Was written by Moses in a book. 11 Chron 35:12
4. Was placed in the side of The Ark. Deut 31:24-26
5. Was nailed to the cross. Col 2;14
6. Was abolished by Christ. Eph 2:15

The Ten Commandment Covenant:

1. Is called, the "royal law." Ja 2:8
2. Was spoken by God. Deut 4:12,13
3. Was written with the finger of God. Ex 31:18
4. Was placed inside The Ark. Ex 40:20; Heb 9:4
5. Is to "stand forever and ever." Ps 111:7,8
6. Was not destroyed by Christ. Mt 5:17,18.

The Ten Commandment Covenant deals with our character.

Even in heaven, the Lord makes quite a statement about His Covenant:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in His temple The Ark of His Testament: and there were LIGHTNINGS, and VOICES, and THUNDERINGS, and AN EARTHQUAKE, and GREAT HAIL." Rev 11:19

He is, only, Lord to those who obey His Word.

 

[herald]

Jesus said, "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven (sounds like Rev 22:14), but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (lawlessness)

"And hereby we do know that WE KNOW HIM, if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I KNOW HIM and keepeth not His commandments, is a LIAR and the Truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His Word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby we do know that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:3-6.

Jesus refers to the Catholic/Protestant religious system, as the "Mother of harlots." Rev 17. She has replaced much of the Word of God with her tradition.

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins (the "transgression of the law: 1 John 3:4), and that ye receive not of HER PLAGUES. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." (lawlessness).

Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I KNOW THEM, and they follow Me." John 10:27.

Pope John Paul 11, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell have called for re-instituting the Sunday or "Blue laws." They are, still, on the books in 26 states. In Virginia, the third infraction meant death! (Jesus never used the state to further the Kingdom of God.)

Just as in the garden with the tree, it is a question of allegiance.

Is your allegiance to the "Mother of harlots"? Or, to our Creator and His Word?

 

[stovebolts]

Here’s how I look at some of the verses Scott posted. Take a look and give me some feed back.

Acts 20:7 is used as an Apostolic example of the first century church meeting on the first day of the week for the purpose of breaking bread (Lord’s Supper). This event took place in Troas (Luke’s home town), which was a Roman community under the Roman Calendar. Acts 5:42 shows a daily teaching of Christ.

Many, including myself believe that the weekly gathering on the first day of the week to break bread occurred in conjunction with the resurection of Jesus upon the first day of the week. (Luke 24:1) Hence, the First day of the week became known as “The Lord’s Day†as it was the fulfillment of the new Covenant in Christ (Jeremiah 31:31 – Luke 22:20)

1 Corinthians 16:2 I understand as an extension of what occurs from the apostolic example from Acts 20:7 as St. Paul has much to say in regard to how the church in Corinth was partaking in the Lord’s Supper. Again, any day is good to preach the Gospel, but the first day of the week (known as the Lord's Day) was to gather as the body of Christ to partake in the breaking of bread and fellowship.

In regard to Colossians 2:16, I’ve always viewed this in sort of a manner as you BF that we are not to judge one another on these accounts and what you said about it being a sin. (Romans 14:5-6) However, I think that it goes a bit deeper than that. One of the words that catches my eye is this. It’s this part.
these are only the shadow of the things to come, but the reality is Christ![/]

If we look at the book of Hebrews, we notice this.
Hebrews 8:5-6 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, says he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount. But now has he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Again, were talking covenant theology here. Christ fulfills the new Convenant and the early church gathered on the Lord’s Day to celebrate as the body of Christ.
Take a quick peek at Hebrews 10:1-3 and then highlight Hebrews 10:20 By a new and living way, which he has consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
I’m assuming you understand the significance of the veil from a temple / tabernacle perspective? (Heb 9:3 – Exodus 30:6 -… Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks were split;) The temple was a shadow of heavenly things…

 

[DavidLee]

The Ten Commandment Covenant is, still, in effect.

The Scripture says, we will keep the Sabbath in His Kingdom:

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith the Lord." Isa 66:22,23.

The children of Israel said, that, they could keep His Covenant in their own strength, but failed. Ex 24:7. The New Covenant is His Covenant engraved upon our hearts and minds. That is why Jesus said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he has, already committed adultery with her in his heart. Or, if you are angry with your brother, without cause, you are guilty of murder.

So, are you saying, that we can worship and bow down to other gods, take His name in vain, profane His holy day, dishonor our parents, murder, commit adultery, steal, bear false witness, covet and walk in His Holy Spirit?

Jaems 2:10,11 tells us, that, if we break any of His commandments, we become transgressors of His law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

With all due respect, it doesn't sound like you have much reverence for God's Word.

You cannot separate the fourth commandment from His Covenant.

I would humbly submit that we (Christians) are under the law of grace (a new covenant).

“And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.â€Â
(Luke 22:20 NASB)

“In the same way He took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.â€Ââ€Â
(1Corinthians 11:25 NASB)

“who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.â€Â
(2Corinthians 3:6 NASB)

“For finding fault with them, He says, “Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, When I will effect a new covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;â€Â
(Hebrews 8:8 NASB)

“When He said, “A new covenant,†He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.â€Â
(Hebrews 8:13 NASB)

“And for this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, in order that since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.â€Â
(Hebrews 9:15 NASB)

“and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.â€Â
(Hebrews 12:24 NASB)

And further...

““We are Jews by nature, and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified. “But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be! “For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor. “For through the Law I died to the Law, that I might live to God. “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered Himself up for me. “I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.â€Â
You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with aith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?â€Â
(Galatians 2:15-3:3 NASB)

Sorry for the wall of text, but it's worth reading.

 

[herald]

As I stated, in Acts 20:7, in the Greek it says, "And on one of the Sabbaths..." They met on the Sabbath, Paul preached past sundown into the first day of the week.

The New Covenant is the Old Covenant engraved in our hearts and minds. Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10; 10:12-17.

IT IS THE SAME COVENANT.

And as I stated, Jesus reinforced the Ten Commandment Covenant and took it to the attitudes of the heart. That is why, He said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he as, already, committed adultery with her in his heart. If we are angry with our brother, without cause, we are guilty of murder.

James 2:10,11 says, that, if we break one of His commandments, we become transgressors of His law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

"What shall we then? Shall we continue in sin (the "transgression of the law:" 1 John 3:4), that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin (the "transgression of the law") live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW." Rom 3:31.

When we have His Spirit living within us, He fulfills the law through us...that, is what walking in His Spirit is all about. And, His Holy Spirit will never lead us into sin, or, the "transgression of the law."

 

[DavidLee]

As I stated, in Acts 20:7, in the Greek it says, "And on one of the Sabbaths..." They met on the Sabbath, Paul preached past sundown into the first day of the week.

The New Covenant is the Old Covenant engraved in our hearts and minds. Jer 31:31-34; Heb 8:10; 10:12-17.

““Behold, days are coming,†declares the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them, “declares the LORD. “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,†declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them, and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. “And they shall not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,†declares the LORD, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.â€Ââ€Â
(Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB)
The emphasis is mine.
I won't post the Hebrews reference since it is referring to the Jeremiah verses.

IT IS THE SAME COVENANT.

If the new covenant is the old covenant, why call it the new covenant?
Why not just call it "the covenant"?

And as I stated, Jesus reinforced the Ten Commandment Covenant and took it to the attitudes of the heart. That is why, He said, that, if a man looks upon a woman to lust, he as, already, committed adultery with her in his heart. If we are angry with our brother, without cause, we are guilty of murder.

Thoughts are not addressed in the law. Jesus gave this example to show us that even if we are outwardly blameless, we are still sinful.

James 2:10,11 says, that, if we break one of His commandments, we become transgressors of His law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

Correct. There is no such thing as a little sin.

"What shall we then? Shall we continue in sin (the "transgression of the law:" 1 John 3:4), that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we that are dead to sin (the "transgression of the law") live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1.

Also correct, but not supporting your position. “For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law, but under grace.â€Â
(Romans 6:14 NASB)

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW." Rom 3:31.

“Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.â€Ââ€Â
(Romans 3:31-4:3 NASB)

When we have His Spirit living within us, He fulfills the law through us...that, is what walking in His Spirit is all about. And, His Holy Spirit will never lead us into sin, or, the "transgression of the law."

The law has been fulfilled by Jesus.

 

[herald]

Please look up the references of the New Covenant: Jer 31:31-34; He 8:10;10:12-17.

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW." 1 John 3:4.

If you transgress His law, you are a sinner.

 

[DavidLee]

Please look up the references of the New Covenant: Jer 31:31-34; He 8:10;10:12-17.

Please read my previous post.

"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: FOR SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW." 1 John 3:4.

If you transgress His law, you are a sinner.

I was a sinner. That was the purpose of the Law.
“But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;â€Â
(Romans 3:21-24 NASB)
(Emphasis is mine.)

I am now saved.
“For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.â€Â
(John 1:17 NASB)
“Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.â€Â
(Romans 3:27-28 NASB)

 

[Scott1]

This does not say which day it’s talking about, it just says that Lord's Day.....that could be any day.....in fact I don't believe that it's talking about a particular day but an event.

I'm sure you don't see one verse that clearly shows a Sunday sabbath... I don't look at ONE verse to teach something, but look at them all together... and we also look to the early Christian community... especially in the writings of those Christians who were in direct line with the teaching of an Apostle. From the begining of our faith, it was clear that the Apostles directed their followers to worship on Sunday:

The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

We don't believe that at the same time some of the books of the Bible were being written, that Christians met on Sunday and the Apostles would say NOTHING. They would have made it perfectly clear ... and I doubt that within one generation, their teachings would be ignored.

Peace,
S

 

[BFSmith764]

This does not say which day it’s talking about, it just says that Lord's Day.....that could be any day.....in fact I don't believe that it's talking about a particular day but an event.

I'm sure you don't see one verse that clearly shows a Sunday sabbath... I don't look at ONE verse to teach something, but look at them all together... and we also look to the early Christian community... especially in the writings of those Christians who were in direct line with the teaching of an Apostle. From the begining of our faith, it was clear that the Apostles directed their followers to worship on Sunday:

The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

We don't believe that at the same time some of the books of the Bible were being written, that Christians met on Sunday and the Apostles would say NOTHING. They would have made it perfectly clear ... and I doubt that within one generation, their teachings would be ignored.

Peace,
S

If you believe that Sunday is that day for you to attend service that fine with me, I have no problem with that, as long as one does not seek to impose that on others or say that those who don't follow that way are not Christian. I am on the other hand am not bound by Saturday or Sunday; I am free to use any day if that is what I want. Everyday belongs to God, since He created it, so if I wanted to I could declare Tuesday the Lord's Day since I am dedicating that day to Him.