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Bible Study The Denominations Speak: The Sabbath

herald said:
As I stated, in Acts 20:7, in the Greek it says, "And on one of the Sabbaths..." They met on the Sabbath, Paul preached past sundown into the first day of the week.

That’s odd… maybe we can study this a bit more? Is that ok?

I looked up the verse in my KJVSL and it says this. ïÂ¥ï®a primary particle (adversative or continuative); but, and, etc.:--also, and, but, moreover, now (often unexpressed in English). irregular feminine of 1520; one or first:--a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other of Hebrew origin (7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:--sabbath (day), week.
Youngs Literal Translation says this:
And on the first of the week, the disciples having been gathered together to break bread…

As far as sabbaton sab'-bat-on, Vines http://vines.mike-obrien.net/) has this to say on the word,

Is used (a) in the plural in the phrase "the first day of the week," Mt. 28:1; Mr. 16:2,9; Lu. 24:1; Joh. 20:1,19; Ac. 20:7; 1Co. 16:2. For this idiomatic use of the word see ONE, A, (5); (b) in the singular, Lu. 18:12, "twice in the week," lit., "twice of the sabbath," i.e., "twice in the days after the sabbath." See SABBATH.

Vines (http://vines.mike-obrien.net/) has this to say about Sabbath

The latter, the plural form was transliterated from the Aramaic word, which was mistaken for a plural; hence the singular, sabbaton, was formed from it. The root means "to cease, desist" (Heb., shabath; cp. Arab., sabata, "to intercept, interrupt"); the doubled b has an intensive force, implying a complete cessation or a making to cease, probably the former. The idea is not that of relaxation or refreshment, but cessation from activity. The observation of the seventh day of the week, enjoined upon Israel, was a sign between God and His earthly people, based upon the fact that after the six days of creative operations He rested, Ex. 31:16,17, with Ex. 20:8-11. The OT regulations were developed and systematized to such an extent that they became a burden upon the people (who otherwise rejoiced in the rest provided) and a byword for absurd extravagance. Two treatises of the Mishna (the Shabbath and Erubin) are entirely occupied with regulations for the observance; so with the discussions in the Gemara, on rabinical opinions. The effect upon current opinion explains the antagonism roused by the Lord's cures wrought on the "Sabbath," e.g., Mt. 12:9-13; Joh. 5:5-16, and explains the fact that on a "Sabbath" the sick were brought to be healed after sunset, e.g., Mr. 1:32. According to rabbinical ideas, the disciples, by plucking ears of corn ( Mt. 12:1; Mr. 2:23), and rubbing them ( Lu. 6:1), broke the "sabbath" in two respects; for to pluck was to reap, and to rub was to thresh. The Lord's attitude towards the "sabbath" was by way of freeing it from these vexatious traditional accretions by which it was made an end in itself, instead of a means to an end ( Mr. 2:27). In the Epistles the only direct mentions are in Col. 2:16, "a sabbath day," RV (which rightly has the singular, see 1st parag., above), where it is listed among things that were "a shadow of the things to come" (ie., of the age introduced at Pentecost), and in Heb. 4:4-11, where the perpetual sabbatismos is appointed for believers (see REST); inferential references are in Ro. 14:5; Ga. 4:9-11. For the first three centuries of the Christian era the first day of the week was never confounded with the "sabbath;" the confusion of the Jewish and Christian institutions was due to declension from apostolic teaching. Notes: (1) In Mt. 12:1,11, where the plural is used, the AV (as the RV) rightly has the singular, "the sabbath day;" in Mt. 12:5 the AV has the plural (see above). Where the singular is used the RV omits the word "day," Mt. 12:2; 24:20; Mr. 6:2; Lu. 6:1 ("on a sabbath"); 14:3; Joh. 9:14 ("it was the sabbath on the day when ..."). As to the use or omission of the article the omission does not always require the rendering "a sabbath;" it is absent, e.g., in Mt. 12:2. (2) In Ac. 16:13, "on the sabbath day," is, lit., "on the day of the sabbath" (plural). (3) For Mt. 28:1, see LATE. (4) For "the first day of the week" see ONE, A, (5).

It appears to me, that the sabbath your referring to, denotes the seventh day of the week, not the first day as mentioned in Acts 20:7

Genesis 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates:
 
Part B

herald said:
As I stated, in Acts 20:7, in the Greek it says, "And on one of the Sabbaths..." They met on the Sabbath, Paul preached past sundown into the first day of the week.

As far as Acts 20:7, I don’t think that there can be any disputes that this is not the 7th (Sabbath). What I have seen disputed, is who’s calander is being used in Acts 20:7. I lean toward the Roman Calendar (which is what us Americans use) where the day starts at midnight. Here’s why.

1. Luke is the Author or both Luke and Acts.
2. Luke is a gentile, not a Jew.
3. The setting in Acts 20:7 takes place at Luke’s hometown, Troas.
4. Troas is a Roman town using the Roman Calendar.
5. Luke is writing to predominatly to gentiles, not Jews, who understand the Roman Calendar.
6. Luke 24:1 states, (YLT) and on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain others with them.
7. Mark 16:1-2 states (YLT) And the sabbath having past, Mary the Magdalene, and Mary of James, and Salome, bought spices, that having come, they may anoint him, and early in the morning of the first of the sabbaths, they come unto the sepulchre, at the rising of the sun,
8. Clearly, the women came to the tomb on what we would call Sunday Morning.

Thus, I believe the first century gentile’s meet Sunday to “Break Bread†and when Paul came to Troas, I believe that Luke was writing in his own culture, not Jewish. But lets say that the text is ambiguous and Luke is using the Jewish calendar. Even if Paul did show up on the 7th day (Saturday), the church did not celebrate the Lord’s Supper until the first day of the week,(Saturday evening using Jewish time) whether it be in the Roman Calendar as Saturday night or Sunday Morning (Roman Calendar, which is more in line with when the women found the empty tomb)

In closing, I want to make clear that this is not a salvation issue. If one chooses to view this meeting as Saturday evening, or Sunday morning, or even if they wish to partake of the Lord's supper each time they come together, it's all good. As an academic exercise, I only wish to show that they did not gather on the Sabbath (7th day) to break break.
 
herald said:
A sign of The Antichrist is "...he thinks to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. He, only, "thinks to change," because, no man/institution can overrule our Creator and change His law. There is, only, one time in His Covenant - the Sabbath.

Catholic: "Question.-Have you any other way of proving that the church has the power to institute festivals of precept?'

"Answer.-Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." - Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, p. 174.

Sorry, but that priest is wrong. Individual priests do not speak for the Church, so your post entitled "The Denominations Speak" is misleading and a misrepresentation. It would be the same if I quoted some KKK members and said "The Protestants Speak". Most misleading, as is the slur of trying to associate the anti-christ with the Catholic Church. HERE is the authentic teaching of the Church:

The Catechism Of The Catholic Church
PART THREE - LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO - THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
CHAPTER ONE - "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"

ARTICLE 3 - THE THIRD COMMANDMENT
II. THE LORD'S DAY

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm


This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.( Ps 118:24)

The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week" (Cf. Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1). Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath, it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead (St. Justin, I Apol. 67: PG 6, 429 and 432)

Sunday- fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Magn. 9, 1: SCh 10, 88)

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all" (St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II 122, 4). Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

source link: http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm
 

John 20:19 - So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst...


Acts 20:7 - On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them...


1 Corinthians 16:2 - On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.
 
BFSmith764 said:
If you believe that Sunday is that day for you to attend service that fine with me, I have no problem with that, as long as one does not seek to impose that on others or say that those who don't follow that way are not Christian. I am on the other hand am not bound by Saturday or Sunday; I am free to use any day if that is what I want. Everyday belongs to God, since He created it, so if I wanted to I could declare Tuesday the Lord's Day since I am dedicating that day to Him.
Amen... well said. I don't think God's mercy is bound by a calendar.

Peace be with you,
S
 
Scott1 said:
BFSmith764 said:
If you believe that Sunday is that day for you to attend service that fine with me, I have no problem with that, as long as one does not seek to impose that on others or say that those who don't follow that way are not Christian. I am on the other hand am not bound by Saturday or Sunday; I am free to use any day if that is what I want. Everyday belongs to God, since He created it, so if I wanted to I could declare Tuesday the Lord's Day since I am dedicating that day to Him.
Amen... well said. I don't think God's mercy is bound by a calendar.

Peace be with you,
S

How very true...take care.
 
BFSmith764 said:
Scott1 said:
Amen... well said. I don't think God's mercy is bound by a calendar.
Peace be with you,
S
How very true...take care.
Yet, at the same time, Jesus said, "Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free". So, is it true that we should be holding to the old Mosaic Law of Sabbath worship, or should we be celebrating the Risen Lord on the first day of the week, the day Christ rose from the dead?
 
There are a lot of replies so I was only able to read about half. I hope that this is not a repeat of another reply. If it is just call it a reinforcement :wink:

There is no way to get around it. The Sabbath is the Sabbath. Aperson can deny it, but that still don't change the fact it is still there.
There is no where in the New Testament that says it has ever been changed, nor is there anything in either the OT or the NT that hints to there ever being a change.

Even Heb. 4:9 talks about rest, and is referring to the Sabbath rest or observance...The word used is sabbatismos (4520) in the Greek section of the Strongs concordance. Heb.4:9 doesn't sound a lot like it is referring to something on the way out. or something that has already gone.
 
rainbow_promise said:
There are a lot of replies so I was only able to read about half. I hope that this is not a repeat of another reply. If it is just call it a reinforcement :wink:

There is no way to get around it. The Sabbath is the Sabbath. Aperson can deny it, but that still don't change the fact it is still there.
There is no where in the New Testament that says it has ever been changed, nor is there anything in either the OT or the NT that hints to there ever being a change.

Even Heb. 4:9 talks about rest, and is referring to the Sabbath rest or observance...The word used is sabbatismos (4520) in the Greek section of the Strongs concordance. Heb.4:9 doesn't sound a lot like it is referring to something on the way out. or something that has already gone.

I agree. It never changed. As my Church teaches:

CCC 2175 - Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week...

So, the question is not "was it changed", the question is, are we bound by Old Testament specifics, or do we obey the "heart" of the law, and celebrate the Risen Lord on the day of his ressurection?
 
Catholic Crusader said:
BFSmith764 said:
Scott1 said:
Amen... well said. I don't think God's mercy is bound by a calendar.
Peace be with you,
S
How very true...take care.
Yet, at the same time, Jesus said, "Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free". So, is it true that we should be holding to the old Mosaic Law of Sabbath worship, or should we be celebrating the Risen Lord on the first day of the week, the day Christ rose from the dead?


Sunday worship is not and was never commanded by Jesus after He rose from the grave nor did any of the apostles commanded the early Church to do so. If you noticed that the apostles continued to observe the seventh Day Sabbath, after Jesus rose from the grave. And at the same time, Christians are under no obligation to observe the seventh day Sabbath either. The truth of the matter is that Jesus' death among other things have set us free from being bound by any day of the week......we are at liberty to choose which day we would like to use.

The early Christians kept the seventh Day Sabbath, because they were Jews, and it was part of their custom to do so. But it does not mean that they had to, or that Gentiles must observe that day as well. If we could only come to this understanding, we would stop criticizing each other about which day is the right day to worship God….any day is the is the right day.

Matthew 18:20 (ASV)
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Notice that Jesus did not say that it had to be on the Seventh Day Sabbath or on Sunday, or else I am not there in their midst. He said as long as two or three are gathered in His name, He is there among them…..that is all that is required.


Many of us are still bound to legalism, including many of those who worship on Sunday.
 
atrhick said:
If you want to know who the First Beast of the book of Revolation is please listen to this
http://www.amazingsigns.org/Media/David ... hrist.html
after you listen to that i am intressted to hearing your responce.

My opinion is that website represents the worst sort of Biblical interpretation. It is hate-filled, false, bigoted, and for such hucksters to hide behind the Bible to spread their hate is an abomination unto God. You want a beast? A beast is anyone who spread horrible lies about their Christian brother.

Oh, and one other thing: You are reported, for being off topic, and advertising a hate site.
 
BFSmith764 said:
...Sunday worship is not and was never commanded by Jesus after He rose from the grave...
Well, Jesus never commanded a New Testament to be written either. Your logic is flawed. By your reasoning, we should tear our NT's out of the Bible, since Jesus never said to write them.

Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead. The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished. The following quotations from BEFORE the time of Constatine show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.


The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).


The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).


Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Justin Martyr
"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] youâ€â€namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm usâ€â€I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).


Tertullian
"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcisedâ€â€yes, and unobservant of the Sabbathâ€â€God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).


Origen
"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).


Eusebius of Caesarea
"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).

"[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).
 
Catholic Crusader said:
BFSmith764 said:
...Sunday worship is not and was never commanded by Jesus after He rose from the grave...
Well, Jesus never commanded a New Testament to be written either. Your logic is flawed. By your reasoning, we should tear our NT's out of the Bible, since Jesus never said to write them.

Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead. The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished. The following quotations from BEFORE the time of Constatine show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on Sunday.


The Didache
"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).


The Letter of Barnabas
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).


Ignatius of Antioch
"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).


Justin Martyr
"[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] youâ€â€namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm usâ€â€I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . ." (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead" (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).


Tertullian
"[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcisedâ€â€yes, and unobservant of the Sabbathâ€â€God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God" (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).


Origen
"Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection" (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).


Eusebius of Caesarea
"They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things" (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).

"[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality" (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).


Any quote will seem that way when taken out of context; those who read my entire comment and understand it will know the point that I am making. The problem with some among us is that we desire other people to come under the yoke of bondage that we ourselves are under, which was not commanded.

Jesus never had to command the apostles to document what was written, they simply did it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This is the reality of being set free from having to have a written sets of laws or ways of conduct; when the kingdom of God comes in it's fullness, no son or daughter of God will have laws dictating their behavior; the Holy Spirit in the individual is enough…..one response and act as he or she is being lead by the Spirit. Those who do not have the Holy Spirit, as those in the world need laws to regulate there behavior, but one that is born of God does not. We are not masters over our brother or sister, and have no authority to do so. To believe that Christians are subjected to days, weeks and months is to be like those of the world.
 
Jesus never had to command the apostles to document what was written, they simply did it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit....
....Perhaps the same Holy Spirit that convicts nearly all Christians to worship on the first day of the week, eh? Or are you the one who decides when the Holy Spirit is speaking, and when He is not?
 
Catholic Crusader said:
Jesus never had to command the apostles to document what was written, they simply did it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit....
....Perhaps the same Holy Spirit that convicts nearly all Christians to worship on the first day of the week, eh? Or are you the one who decides when the Holy Spirit is speaking, and when He is not?

And what about those who don't worship on Sunday are they Christians? Does worshiping on a particular determine if you are a Christian or not?
 
I agree. It never changed. As my Church teaches:

CCC 2175 - Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week...

So, the question is not "was it changed", the question is, are we bound by Old Testament specifics, or do we obey the "heart" of the law, and celebrate the Risen Lord on the day of his ressurection?

I understand your question. Yes I believe we are to keep it and reverance that day above all others. It is part of the original 10 commandments. When Christ said to keep His commandments He meant all ten. If He would have meant only 8 or 9 He would have said so. We aren't to keep them in the same fashion as the Pharisees and the Saduces did. We are to make the choice to keep that day set aside for a special union with God/Christ. Not with ridgid traditions but the way they were intended to be kept in the beginning. It is a weekly joining our selves to God and leaving all worldly things out. Things like shopping and working cares and concerns etc. In return God refreshes us both physically and spiritually.

I believe it is a sin, just like breaking any of the other commandments. But like with all the other commandments we need to pray for God to open that up to us. We need to pray hard about it and then we have to take what the Lord tells us and apply it in our lives.

The Sabbath is more than just a day for special service to God it is also a day He set aside as a memorial to His creative ability. And it is also a day wherecan be wholly focused on our Creater and enjoy Him.

The 7th day Sabbath has not been changed and cannot be changed because It is a day the Lord has made. What God makes man cannot unmake. We can choose to ignore it's importance, and we only hurt ourselves in the end.
 
And what about those who don't worship on Sunday are they Christians? Does worshiping on a particular determine if you are a Christian or not?

Thats sidestepping the issue. I will not be put in a position to judge someone's heart. I am merely saying that Christians are not called to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

The commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day was given to Moses: It is from the 4th covenant of the 6 covenants given throughout salvation history, and was for the children of Israel.

The 6th covenant, instituted by Christ, has no such commandment. Interestingly, before Christ's covenant was established in His Blood, He left out the commandment to keep holy the Sabbath in this little give and take:

Matt 19: 16-22: And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but (Q)if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." Then he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?" Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.
 
BFSmith764 said:
Catholic Crusader said:
Jesus never had to command the apostles to document what was written, they simply did it under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit....
....Perhaps the same Holy Spirit that convicts nearly all Christians to worship on the first day of the week, eh? Or are you the one who decides when the Holy Spirit is speaking, and when He is not?

It would not be the Holy Spirit that would tell anyone to do the opposite of God's commandments. He would then be going against God. A spirit over a thousand years ago may have spoke to some on the keeping of the first day of the week, but it wasn't the spirit of God.

The Holy Spirit would not have requested changes to the 10 com. without first letting that issue being first written in His word. No where is it even hinted at. I have seen tons of evidence in old and New Test. that supports the Sab., but nothing that supports the first day of the week at all.
 
rainbow_promise said:
It would not be the Holy Spirit that would tell anyone to do the opposite of God's commandments. He would then be going against God. A spirit over a thousand years ago may have spoke to some on the keeping of the first day of the week, but it wasn't the spirit of God.

The Holy Spirit would not have requested changes to the 10 com. without first letting that issue being first written in His word. No where is it even hinted at. I have seen tons of evidence in old and New Test. that supports the Sab., but nothing that supports the first day of the week at all.
So you are saying that around 98% of Christianity is being led by a false spirit? Thats quite judgemental, isnt it? Have you ever considered the posiblitiy that you have confused Jewish law with what we Christians are supposed to be doing?

As I said, The commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day was given to Moses: It is from the 4th covenant of the 6 covenants given throughout salvation history, and was for the children of Israel. The 6th covenant, instituted by Christ, has no such commandment. Ans as I previously stated, Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead. The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished.
 
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