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Jim Parker
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It has a good section on logic.
Our schools treat teaching logic like vampires treat cooking with garlic outdoors at high noon on a sunny day.
Papa Zoom
CF Ambassador
Thank you for that link! I love having books on my computer to reference and that one now can be searched for key words!
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blessedsmithereens
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And to you as well.
There are those that would like to impart people aren't intelligent enough to share on this forum. That is a real shame. But they keep on keepin on.
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blessedsmithereens
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I saved it to my favorites file too. It's especially good if something of it is copied and pasted into a post without crediting it. I was on a forum where a fake theologian intellectual, self professed, would do that quite regularly. Thinking no one could find her sources she'd hand type or copy from saved PDF's material she'd post as her own. Then talk down to others who she implied weren't of her intellectual caliber.
Thief!Liar!
Yes, we were all very disappointed we weren't of that caliber. :yes
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blessedsmithereens
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It's personal when you don't read the article and then ask for clarification. If the article doesn't clear it up for you, oh well.
No, it isn't personal. I have read the articles since, I made that clear a while back. So, going back to where this discussion started, I still must repeat what I asked in the first place: "What does any supposed criticism of 1 Peter have to do with anything?"
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blessedsmithereens
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Hey, maybe read that second article someone posted. A brief history of Apologetics, and learn what the first one didn't help with. :D Yeah, thar B an idea.
Papa Zoom
CF Ambassador
I do agree that there is a lack of an appreciation for the intellectual side of our Faith within the Church in general. This is not true everywhere I suppose. I know there are many efforts for example to help young people before they go off to college to prepare to answer the world's objections to one's belief in God and Jesus.I saved it to my favorites file too. It's especially good if something of it is copied and pasted into a post without crediting it. I was on a forum where a fake theologian intellectual, self professed, would do that quite regularly. Thinking no one could find her sources she'd hand type or copy from saved PDF's material she'd post as her own. Then talk down to others who she implied weren't of her intellectual caliber.
Thief!Liar!
Yes, we were all very disappointed we weren't of that caliber. :yes
But I don't believe anyone is incapable of grasping the what of what we believe nor the why. As for apologetics, it is simply the art of defending one's faith but doing so in effective and winsome ways. This has to be learned.
One thing I think you'll agree with is that far too many times people post without first trying to really understand the other's position. Asking questions is helpful and really "listening" is paramount. It's a skill - listening and speaking. Hearing someone (in our case reading their words) isn't the same as listening and comprehending the intended meaning (my teacher training is coming through now). Many times people talk past each other. :/
And even though I just said all that above, I recognize that I do the very thing I am saying not to do! ahhhhhhh! I used to be worse at it but am much better as "listening" now (I hope!)
I did. I’ve been doing this for over 15 years, have numerous apologetics books, and not once have read about any controversy surrounding 1 Pet. 3:15. So I can’t see how any supposed controversy has anything to do with anything.
Papa Zoom
CF Ambassador
Now now, be charitable. :nod But it is always good to read posted material before commenting on it. Once I wrote a college professor about a book he wrote. I chastised him for writing such a book (How Wide the Divide - between Mormonism and Orthodox Christianity). First question he asked me was, "Did you read my book?"
Oops. Um, I hadn't. I only read what peeps were saying about it. I bought the book and it was a very good treatment of the subject.
I did the same when the Shack came out. People were highly critical of the book and I thought I'd better read it first before drawing conclusions. I read the book, then another by a theologian who like the book (that book was too dry for me) and then I read Finding God In The Shack by Randall Rouser. I LOVED that book and recommend it to everyone. Then I watched the movie The Shack (it was okay) and only then did I offer my thoughts (which had changed from my initial reaction of a negative view of the book).
Now if someone posts a 2 hour presentation for me to comment on....different story. I probably will pass on that!
Papa Zoom
CF Ambassador
You bring up a good point in this area of the discussion: People don't know the background history of others in regard to training, education, books read, and all that goes into becoming more skilled at defending the faith. I've been studying apologetics for years now. Most of what I learned I learned by listening to str.org. Tactics by Greg Kokul is a great book!
Why did you post this?
Is it necessary to explain? Perhaps if you read your own posts remarking about the Gospel to another member and without the charity others are told to show your behavior you would understand.
As it is it seems like a rather odd question given the thread contents.
As it is it seems like a rather odd question given the thread contents.
Yes, it most certainly is necessary to explain. It is a perfectly legitimate question given the thread contents because no one, least of all myself, has posted about nor remarked about the Gospel of Peter. We have been talking about the epistle of 1 Peter which is most certainly not the Gospel of Peter.
Thanks but I think I had better wait for blessedsmithereens to respond so I know to what, exactly, they are referring.
OK, it is getting a little odder still. You asked me why I posted an article link, and now I post another in response to your quoting me, and you defer to awaiting someone else to post their clarification for you.
I think I'll not play games with whatever is within you.
I think I'll not play games with whatever is within you.
It seems as though you are not at all following the discussion. Blessedsmithereens first stated: "Besides that, 1 Peter has for years had its critics in the Apologetics community of PhD's ."
I simply asked for clarification as to how that was relevant to the discussion, and for which I still await an answer. Your first link above had nothing to do with the discussion. The second is just a link to a search you did but doesn't bring any clarity to my question. Unless you can read minds or are blessedsmithereens in disguise, you cannot clarify their statement.
Lol! You mean reason?