The earth restored

[n2thelight]

Preterist say the kingdom of God is already here,why then is the earth still a violent place?Why has it not been restored to how it was as scripture states....

The Creation: When Jesus returns, the creation will receive what it has been promised — restoration.

The material universe was originally created in beauty and perfection. There were no poisonous plants or animals, nor were there any meat eating animals. There were no natural cataclysms like earthquakes and tornados. Mankind lived in perfect harmony with nature.

But when Man rebelled against God, one of the consequences of his sin was that God placed a curse on the creation. Poisonous plants and animals suddenly appeared. The animal kingdom turned against itself and Man as some of the animals became meat eaters. And the natural cataclysms began to take their toll. Man now had to strive against nature to survive.

But the moment God placed the curse on the creation, He promised that one day it would be lifted through "the seed of woman" (Genesis 3:15). That promise is repeated throughout the Scriptures. For example, in Isaiah 11, the prophet says that when the Messiah comes to reign, "the wolf will dwell with the lamb" and "the lion will eat straw like the ox." He further states that "the nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra" because the snake will no longer be poisonous.

Paul reaffirms this promise in the New Testament in the eighth chapter of Romans. He pictures the whole creation as being like a pregnant woman gripped by birth pains, crying out for the moment of delivery. He says that moment will come when "the sons of God are revealed." In other words, it will occur at the resurrection when the Lord returns (Romans 8:18-23).

On the day the Lord returns, the earth will be renovated by earthquakes and supernatural phenomena in the heavens (Revelation 6:12-17). The result will be a refreshed and beautified earth. The destructive forces of nature will be curtailed. Deserts will bloom. The plant and animal kingdoms will be redeemed. Poisonous plants and animals will cease to be poisonous. The carnivorous animals will become herbivorous. All of nature will cease to strive against itself. Instead, it will work together harmoniously to the benefit of Man. (Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 35:1-10; Isaiah 65:17-25; Acts 3:19-21; and Romans 8:18-23)

Okay now let's see you all spiritualize this away.........

 

[n2thelight]

Didn't think so!!!!!!

 

[John 8:32]

I would think this passage to be difficult to explain...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

This is the restoration (as the NKJV has it) of all things? This society we live in is what God originally created and intended in the Garden?

 

[Sinthesis]

The OP presuppositions about creation are in error, which leaves the question nonsensical. However, your contention seems to be with full preterists. As a partial preterist I believe the Kingdom of God is still in the process of subduing the earth.

 

[n2thelight]

What does the new earth look like?. It says there is no sea. But some people say the earth will be rebuilt or "refreshed". I cant picture the earth with no ocean and me being happy. I want to catch fish. I love fishing, its the only thing that calms me down. That would take away my favourite hobby on the new earth. But then it says God will wipe away my tears. Its all making sense now.

So you still want earthquakes tornadoes floods etc,?Point Im making is those things will cease,as for your fishing,that I can't answer.....

The OP presuppositions about creation are in error, which leaves the question nonsensical. However, your contention seems to be with full preterists. As a partial preterist I believe the Kingdom of God is still in the process of subduing the earth.

I asked a simple question,when will the earth be restored,point being had Christ returned,it would be,guess this would be a question for a full preterist to answer....Out of curiosity, how is my contention with full preterist,not understanding what your saying?

 

[John 8:32]

What does the new earth look like?. It says there is no sea. But some people say the earth will be rebuilt or "refreshed". I cant picture the earth with no ocean and me being happy. I want to catch fish. I love fishing, its the only thing that calms me down. That would take away my favourite hobby on the new earth. But then it says God will wipe away my tears. Its all making sense now.

At the time of the New Heavens and New Earth, there are no longer "souls" on the earth. Therefore, there is no need for oxygen production from flora and no need for weather patterns.

Souls are creatures that breathe air for a living...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

soul:

H5315
נפשׁ
nephesh
neh'-fesh
From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

 

[Elijah674]

Sounds as it is?;)

Regardless, God has told us that after the 1,OOO when the wicked have been put out of their misery. (forever) Well lets read it??

Isa. 65:21
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

And while we are still there, lets read just the couple verses in the next chapter of IT BEING IN THE NEW EARTH??

Isa. 66
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

--Elijah

 

[John 8:32]

Sounds as it is?;)

Regardless, God has told us that after the 1,OOO when the wicked have been put out of their misery. (forever) Well lets read it??

Isa. 65:21
[19] And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
[21] And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
[22] They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
[23] They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
[24] And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
[25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

And while we are still there, lets read just the couple verses in the next chapter of IT BEING IN THE NEW EARTH??

Isa. 66
[22] For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

--Elijah

I beleive these two passages (and many others) refer to the MIllenium. After the Millenium comes...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Two separate resurrections, the first one in verses 11-12 are for those who have not had their opportunity. Israel, that was excluded by blindness so that the Gentiles could be grafted in. A good read here is Ezek 37:1-14, this is obviously a physical resurrection to physical life. The others who have their opportunity are those non-Israelites (that would be everyone else) that have not had their minds opened (There is a calling and not all are called today.) or have never heard the truth.

The other resurrection mentioned here is verses 13-15 and it is for the incorrigibly wicked when they are cast into Hell-Fire...

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[Elijah674]

Our belief is not the Word of God. Our 'thoughts are not His thought'.

But that being as it 'may be', (?) Lets just toss this in also. Just say that Adam & Eve would never die. [sinless] I for one would never believe that they 'still' lacked anything,(;)) being perfect as being subject to immortal life. (as they were Gen. 2:16-17)

OK: Lets just add perfection with NO conditions! So Adam
& Eve would live Eternally with no sin, and [NO NEED OF A SIN SICKENED] recreated 'Born Again' life? So no, I find the first Adam & Eve good enough!

--Elijah

 

[John 8:32]

Our belief is not the Word of God. Our 'thoughts are not His thought'.

But that being as it 'may be', (?) Lets just toss this in also. Just say that Adam & Eve would never die. [sinless] I for one would never believe that they 'still' lacked anything,(;)) being perfect as being subject to immortal life. (as they were Gen. 2:16-17)

OK: Lets just add perfection with NO conditions! So Adam
& Eve would live Eternally with no sin, and [NO NEED OF A SIN SICKENED] recreated 'Born Again' life? So no, I find the first Adam & Eve good enough!

--Elijah

Had Adam and Eve remained sinless, would they have lived forever? The answer is no...

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

They still would have to have eaten of the Tree of Life.

 

[reba]

Off topic Nice to 'see' ya Elijah totopic

 

[Elijah674]

Off topic Nice to 'see' ya Elijah totopic

I fail to see where this is off topic. Seeing that the original topic was about Adam & Eve??

--Elijah

 

[reba]

Elijah saying hello to you was off topic.... my post was off not yours

 

[Elijah674]

Off topic Nice to 'see' ya Elijah totopic

I was going to give the verse where it is said.... 'Flesh and blood will not enter the kingdom of God' with my thinking being that it means contaminated (sinful) flesh & blood?
Anyway, I find the Born Again person needing to be reborn.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Where is it stated in the Word of God that there is no longer a need... 'no need for oxygen production' ?

--Elijah

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

Preterist say the kingdom of God is already here,why then is the earth still a violent place?Why has it not been restored to how it was as scripture states....

The Creation: When Jesus returns, the creation will receive what it has been promised — restoration.

The material universe was originally created in beauty and perfection. There were no poisonous plants or animals, nor were there any meat eating animals. There were no natural cataclysms like earthquakes and tornados. Mankind lived in perfect harmony with nature.

But when Man rebelled against God, one of the consequences of his sin was that God placed a curse on the creation. Poisonous plants and animals suddenly appeared. The animal kingdom turned against itself and Man as some of the animals became meat eaters. And the natural cataclysms began to take their toll. Man now had to strive against nature to survive.

But the moment God placed the curse on the creation, He promised that one day it would be lifted through "the seed of woman" (Genesis 3:15). That promise is repeated throughout the Scriptures. For example, in Isaiah 11, the prophet says that when the Messiah comes to reign, "the wolf will dwell with the lamb" and "the lion will eat straw like the ox." He further states that "the nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra" because the snake will no longer be poisonous.

Paul reaffirms this promise in the New Testament in the eighth chapter of Romans. He pictures the whole creation as being like a pregnant woman gripped by birth pains, crying out for the moment of delivery. He says that moment will come when "the sons of God are revealed." In other words, it will occur at the resurrection when the Lord returns (Romans 8:18-23).

On the day the Lord returns, the earth will be renovated by earthquakes and supernatural phenomena in the heavens (Revelation 6:12-17). The result will be a refreshed and beautified earth. The destructive forces of nature will be curtailed. Deserts will bloom. The plant and animal kingdoms will be redeemed. Poisonous plants and animals will cease to be poisonous. The carnivorous animals will become herbivorous. All of nature will cease to strive against itself. Instead, it will work together harmoniously to the benefit of Man. (Isaiah 11:6-9; Isaiah 35:1-10; Isaiah 65:17-25; Acts 3:19-21; and Romans 8:18-23)

Okay now let's see you all spiritualize this away.........

Perhaps this would be better located in the preterist discussion forum.
But:
Many people gloss over Gen 5:29 which states and infers that the "curse" upon the earth where man was expelled after the fall was lifted through the flood of Noah. I can only theorized that the earth outside of the Garden was a huge Jungle which was made as the Garden of Eden after the flood. See 2 Peter 3 where he says that the earth was out of water [liquid] and in water.[vapor] The land stood out of seas, and yet was in a heavy vapor canopy. [Except for the area of the Garden of Eden which may have been an area of similar atmosphere which we currently have.] When the waters of heaven and the waters of the deep were released, it changed the atmosphere [and the land] over all the earth.

For supporting contemplation of the flood; How and why could and would one fabricate a story of a rainbow at this time unless there actually was a previous time without a rainbow.???

Re: Rom 8, he says that the creation groans with the creature waiting for the redemption. What creatures were made subject to futility? Answer, the sacrificial animals. This needless killing of the animals was soon to be openly ended with the end of the mosaic covenant.

Just as "new Covanent" is a term in contrast with the elements of the mosaic covenant, New heavens and new earth are terms in contrast with both the law [heavens] of sin/spiritual death and the ordinances [heavens] of the mosaic covenant heavens [ordinances] and domain [earth]. With the leveling of the temple, the testimony of monotheism and of the truth of the Creator was openly shown to favor the ordinances and beliefs of the saints of the son of man [Christisans]

In EZ 36, the people who experienced the circumcision and indwelling of the heart [see also Deut 30 and Jer 31] through faith in the incarnation of God and justification, unconditional adoption through that faith would come to say that the land which was desolate [both peoples lives and the land of both Judea and the oikomene] has become like the garden of Eden. [but without stipulative, fearful fellowship with the Father/Son/HS.]

In Rev, the angel says that the kingdom is within men. But we [men and claiming christians; I.E. the church] have not received or proclaimed the proper message and truths delivered to the saints. We've 'proclaimed' that the kingdom isn't present and have failed to accurately identify the correct ordinances and statements of the kingdom. We've proclaimed the failing earth, and that physical death is a punishment still from Eden, rather than the Good Creation, procreative lifespans and continuous generations [male and female he created Him] as one of the testimonies of the Creator of life against evolution.

We've read letters of the apostles to their first century audience as if they were written to every generation since that time.

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

I would think this passage to be difficult to explain...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

This is the restoration (as the NKJV has it) of all things? This society we live in is what God originally created and intended in the Garden?

Who want's to go back to Eden and the 2 trees, and the serpent who injects lies, doubt, twisting of words etc etc.
The New Heavens and new earth [new truths, rules, laws and ordinances AND DOMAIN of the individual believers mind and life] of the New covenant facilitate a New Garden and "new" creation.

Re: Acts 3:19-21. Please continue in Acts 3:22-24 and observe the context of time to which Peter is referring. It is the same time period as the restoration of all things [pertaining to the restoration from the mosaic covenant and the affirmation of the restoration from the law of sin/death through faiith in Christ.]

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. [the desolation of Jerusalem and the end of the mosaic covenant]

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. [the days of that generation]
25 Ye [believing people hearing his speech] are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall [JESUS] all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

[Joe Domingo]

The elements will be burned away. Find that scripture. Then come to understanding.

Just as the Flood washed everything away, fire will burn everything away. Then the Earth will be renewed. Happens with forest fires all the time. The Earth will be scorched after Jesus defeats his enemies on Earth and Satan. This will happen After the Day of trumpets and before the Day of Atonement, a ten day period. Four days of great white throne judgment followed by Feast of Tabernacles - seven days of re-creation and the eight day begins eternity on the New Earth.

 

[endtimesdeut32/70AD]

The elements will be burned away. Find that scripture.
- seven days of re-creation and the eight day begins eternity on the New Earth.

In the greek. Elements are the foundational pri
nciples of a system.

Barnabus write that they met on the 8th day in celebratiin of the new creation and new beginning in post 70AD.

 

[Joe Domingo]

The elements will be burned away. Find that scripture.
- seven days of re-creation and the eight day begins eternity on the New Earth.

In the greek. Elements are the foundational pri
nciples of a system.

Barnabus write that they met on the 8th day in celebratiin of the new creation and new beginning in post 70AD.

"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

Are you understanding the context? This is not speaking of foundational principles.

Revelation also points to a destroying of the Earth...
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.