The Easter "Spell"

[precepts]

The world is under a spell!

Imagine there are four different resurrection day accounts. Which one did you hear this Easter? What does it mean when each Pastor/Preacher uses one of the four, and nobody notices the difference? Four different accounts, all four told at Easter, and no one takes notice or offense.

Matthew's account:

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead [men].
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
Mat 28:8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
Mat 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mat 28:10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Mark's account:

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mar 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
Mar 16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
Mar 16:8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any [man]; for they were afraid.
Mar 16:9 Now when [Jesus] was risen early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Mar 16:10 [And] she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

Luke's account:

Luk 24:1 Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.
Luk 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Luk 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
Luk 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down [their] faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
Luk 24:6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
Luk 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Luk 24:8 And they remembered his words,
Luk 24:9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
Luk 24:10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary [the mother] of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

John's account:

Jhn 20:1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
Jhn 20:3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
Jhn 20:5 And he stooping down, [and looking in], saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
Jhn 20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
Jhn 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
Jhn 20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
Jhn 20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
Jhn 20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
Jhn 20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, [and looked] into the sepulchre,
Jhn 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Jhn 20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
Jhn 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Jhn 20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
Jhn 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.
Jhn 20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and [that] he had spoken these things unto her.

I wouldn't even get into the details, but which version or versions did you hear this Easter?

 

[jasoncran]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

The world is under a spell!

Imagine there are four different resurrection day accounts. Which one did you hear this Easter? What does it mean when each Pastor/Preacher uses one of the four, and nobody notices the difference? Four different accounts, all four told at Easter, and no one takes notice or offense.

Matthew's account:



Mark's account:



Luke's account:



John's account:
I wouldn't even get into the details, but which version or versions did you hear this Easter?

whats your point? the bible is full of contradictions? no man sees the details exactly the same. that means the gospel account wasnt a collusion. in law enforecment if the cop hears the same exact story from the witness. he will often doubt the witness account as it was rehearsed.

 

[Mike]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

The world is under a spell!

Imagine there are four different resurrection day accounts. Which one did you hear this Easter?

I think with John being more detailed, most chronicle it in their sermons. Besides, having two angels noted in one and only one noted in another, it's easy to conclude there were two as opposed to one. I think John offers the most complete account, and the others just don't focus on the same details that John does. The timing of their meeting with the angels appears to have more continuity as well.

It's a bit much to say the world is under a spell, isn't it?

 

[precepts]

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jasoncran's

whats your point? the bible is full of contradictions? no man sees the details exactly the same. that means the gospel account wasnt a collusion. in law enforecment if the cop hears the same exact story from the witness. he will often doubt the witness account as it was rehearsed.

To quote one of four different accounts and not explain that there are four different accounts is lying! The fact that the world hasn't realized this as yet is to be bewitched or under a spell!

Until I read the bible for myself, I can't tell you how much preachers I've heard say the bible was unfallible and without contradictions , which is ironic, because Moslems say it all the time but none take the time to point out the contradictions!

 

[jasoncran]

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jasoncran's
To quote one of four different accounts and not explain that there are four different accounts is lying! The fact that the world hasn't realized this as yet is to be bewitched or under a spell!

Until I read the bible for myself, I can't tell you how much preachers I've heard say the bible was the unfallible word of God and without contradictions which is ironic because Moslems say it all the time but none take the time to point out the contradictions!

really? what church does this. i have heard all four accounts preached upon. today my pastor didnt even use the gospel in that manner. he preached on death and gave a eulogy on death.

a site(icr.org) i listen too did the total account on the gospel on his sermon and talked about the idea i just stated.

so the bible according to you has contradictions. so the men that are wrote that are robots?
did you ever notice the symbols of the gospel books are also in a vision in the bible of God and the set up the tabernacle.? the lion, the man, the bull, the eagle
and look at ezekiels vision and johns and in the torah at the set up of the banners near the tabernacle. God orchastrated that.

 

[precepts]

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really? what church does this. i have heard all four accounts preached upon. today my pastor didnt even use the gospel in that manner. he preached on death and gave a eulogy on death.

a site(icr.org) i listen too did the total account on the gospel on his sermon and talked about the idea i just stated.

so the bible according to you has contradictions. so the men that are wrote that are robots?
did you ever notice the symbols of the gospel books are also in a vision in the bible of God and the set up the tabernacle.? the lion, the man, the bull, the eagle
and look at ezekiels vision and johns and in the torah at the set up of the banners near the tabernacle. God orchastrated that.

Oh my pearls, my pearls, my poor precious pearls!

 

[jasoncran]

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Oh my pearls, my pearls, my poor precious pearls!

ok i wont step up to your level of "righteousness" as well i havent been saved all that long, oh a short 15 yrs.

but what would a former jw know about the theology of christendom and have to sift through errs.

 

[Bonairos]

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To quote one of four different accounts and not explain that there are four different accounts is lying! The fact that the world hasn't realized this as yet is to be bewitched or under a spell!

Seriously? I mean really . . . You serious? And on Easter too?

I mean, instead of celebrating the tomb being empty and the bonds of death being broken. THIS? Today (of all days)??? And coming from an identified "Christian"??! Seriously?

WOW!

 

[Mike]

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jasoncran's
To quote one of four different accounts and not explain that there are four different accounts is lying! The fact that the world hasn't realized this as yet is to be bewitched or under a spell!

I'm not sure what to make of your motive, but I think this is a great exaggeration. There's generally no lying, bewitching or spells being cast. I can't say the topic is never avoided, but to say they don't acknowlegde contradictions is a gross misrepresentation. I think people are aware of these differences, and I certainly don't thing anyone is purposely hiding the. There's no reason to!

I'd rather discuss the power of the Resurrection on Easter than some "apparent contradictions".

 

[handy]

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So, my daughter and I went to the store yesterday. I had a list of things to purchase, we also ran into some friends. We talked with a friend, who has both a son and a daughter getting married this summer.We also talked with the "grocery boy" for a few minutes, found out that he's getting used to the morning shift and also was going to his aunt's for Easter. I spoke with one of the clerks there about a coupon for my mother-in-law...long story...

That's what we did at the store.

When we arrived back home, I told my husband, "I didn't buy the hams, but I've got a raincheck and will pick them up after you get paid. I also got the coupon for your Mom, I'm putting it on the fridge. In case I forget to tell her, let her know where it's at when you see her on Tuesday. Oh, I saw Joe, he's doing good...poor kid looked tired, he's such a night owl and isn't adjusting to the early shift too well. But, he'll be spending Easter with his aunt and is looking forward to that."

Then my daughter be-bops in and is talking to her brother. She is saying, "Joe has to get up really early tomorrow and work, then he has to drive all the way to Nampa. His grandma offered to drive, but he says he'll do it, he wants to take his new car. Kyle came by and smiled at me and said hi and Joe just gave him this look and said, "Hey"...Dad, guess what? Travis is marrying a girl who is already pregnant with some other guy's baby. Pam is all worried but I think that Travis is really nice to do that...he must really love her and he says he already loves the baby, even though it's not born yet.


So, Precepts...my husband, son and even you heard about the trip to the store...But, the stories don't match up very well do they? Who was lying? Me? My daughter?

Did I lie to Steve by not mentioning in my account about my friend's concerns for her son, marrying a girl pregnant by some other guy? Did Viola lie about Kyle? After all, I didn't even mention him in my first account to you about the trip to the store, nor did I bring up about the hams.

What about poor Joe? Did he have to get up early today, work and then drive his grandma in his new car to a different town? Or, did he spend Easter with his aunt? Now that is clearly a contradiction...I said that Joe was spending Easter with his aunt and even looking forward to it...Viola said that he would have to work and then drive to some other place with his grandmother...obviously one of us is lying...we are totally contradicting each other.

Or, were we just giving different details of the same event?

Actually, Joe worked the morning shift, then drove his grandmother to Nampa in his new car to his aunt's where they spent the rest of the Easter day.

These kinds of narratives are what true to life testimonies are all about...different people focus in on different things. Did my daughter talk to one beau or two at the store? I only mentioned one...she mentioned two...who was lying? No one, I just didn't happen to mention the other boy. She has a different perspective on the interchange between the two of them...she sort of implied a certain jealous reaction that I didn't really see...whether real or imagined, it was something that stood out to her that I truly didn't pick up on.

The gospel accounts are full of these same kind of narratives...some stories told from differing perspectives, other stories that some of the witnesses tell, but others leave out...

These are not contradictions...just narratives told from different perspectives by different people, real people who are retelling real events based out of their real reactions and emotions that the events brought up.


Hey Bonairos.....HE IS RISEN!

 

[Alabaster]

Re: The Easter Spell, lyiing Preachers

The world is under a spell!

Imagine there are four different resurrection day accounts. Which one did you hear this Easter? What does it mean when each Pastor/Preacher uses one of the four, and nobody notices the difference? Four different accounts, all four told at Easter, and no one takes notice or offense.

Matthew's account:



Mark's account:



Luke's account:



John's account:
I wouldn't even get into the details, but which version or versions did you hear this Easter?

Anyone who is a true student of the word of God would know there is no conflict therein.

What is this thread trying to prove?

 

[Bonairos]

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Hey Bonairos.....HE IS RISEN!

Indeed Handy, Indeed!


Be blessed, Stay blessed!

 

[Pard]

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You are all aware that you are arguing with a person who considers himself to be one of the only Christians in the entire world, yes? Need I honestly go on?

And because I do have an issue about no addressing OPs...

We didn't hear any of the four, we had an evangelist come and talk about resurrection and the difference between the one Laz. experienced and the one Jesus experienced.

And if a Christian isn't aware of the four different versions than I may question two things:

1) How long have they been a Christian? if not long than I'd excuse their ignorance.
2) What narcotic substance, which induces memory blanks, are you currently on?

And this person just said that the Word of God is contradictory... :crazy

And because I was told I must say it to everyone who says "He has risen!"

handy,

He has Risen indeed!

 

[precepts]

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Wow! I wonder why, after awhile, I don't get my email notices on these topics. Whose blocking my notices? Food for thought.

And so-called "Christians" offended at the truth, and not interested in the truth?! Wow! Go figure!

 

[Pard]

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See, didn't I tell you he/she is very much a holier-than-though Christian? Man I'm good! :D

Apparently he/she is wearing blinders also, since everyone clearly acknowledged that there are different versions of the Resurrection. No one sees a problem with it, and why should they? There is no lie, it's a fact. No one views the same thing in the same way. As a criminal justice student I look through lots of old police reports for school. It's crazy how ten people can see the exact same car accident but manage to make it sound like ten totally different ones.

I'd look in the mirror, if I were you. Calling people "so-called" Christians and then blatantly declaring that God's WORD is a lie. You're a little blasphemer who stole someone's soap box, if you ask me. You ought to get off the box and let the big boys talk, OK?

 

[handy]

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Wow! I wonder why, after awhile, I don't get my email notices on these topics. Whose blocking my notices? Food for thought.

And so-called "Christians" offended at the truth, and not interested in the truth?! Wow! Go figure!

Start saying something truthful and more Christians will be interested.

 

[Pizzaguy]

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Wow! I wonder why, after awhile, I don't get my email notices on these topics. Whose blocking my notices? Food for thought.

And so-called "Christians" offended at the truth, and not interested in the truth?! Wow! Go figure!

Try Risperdal. It's a wonderful drug that worked wonders for my son, he's now capable of calming down and carrying on an adult conversation.

(We are NOT all against you.)

 

[mcgyver]

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Christ Is Risen!

He Is Risen Indeed!

And that's the bottom line!!!

 

[handy]

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(We are NOT all against you.)

I know I'm not against Precepts personally, truly I'm not...

But, I am against anyone who tries to make out that the bible is incorrect and that preachers lie when they preach from it. That I am, and always will remain staunchly against. Implying that the Scriptures are incorrect is the lie, not what good preachers preached about Christ's resurrection Sunday.

I wonder, Precepts, did you read through the posts that were in response to your OP? I put a certain amount of time and effort into mine, with the hopes of being able to show how the writers of the Gospel can and do show different aspects of the same story...not conflicting at all, just different perspectives.

Did any of it sink in? Seems not, given your response.

 

[Pizzaguy]

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I know I'm not against Precepts personally, truly I'm not...

Same here.

The gospels are four honest eyewitness accounts (or at least documentaries of eyewitness accounts.) Were they all exactly the same, we'd KNOW they were fabrications or copies. The fact that they differ is part of the evidence they are legitimate.

Go talk to a professional investigator, "precepts" and see if they don't agree with me here.