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[_ Old Earth _] The end is coming

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:robot: The borg, its the borg from star-trek! Um... this isn't happening tommorrow though right?

I hope not, I keep all of my legos on the earth, I'd hate to lose all my "stuff". ;-)
 
But what caused the big bang and drove this inflation? The question remains unanswered


I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God created the world, radiation an all.


~serapha~
 
serapha said:
But what caused the big bang and drove this inflation? The question remains unanswered


I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God created the world, radiation an all.


~serapha~

I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God does not exist.
 
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serapha said:
But what caused the big bang and drove this inflation? The question remains unanswered


I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God created the world, radiation an all.


~serapha~
I guess you can't accept the idea of not knowing everything. NOT KNOWING doesn't mean GOD.
 
Re: ?

reznwerks said:
serapha said:
But what caused the big bang and drove this inflation? The question remains unanswered


I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God created the world, radiation an all.


~serapha~
I guess you can't accept the idea of not knowing everything. NOT KNOWING doesn't mean GOD.

Rezn, no one is saying that. Stop making strawman statements.
 
Asimov said:
serapha said:
But what caused the big bang and drove this inflation? The question remains unanswered


I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God created the world, radiation an all.


~serapha~

I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God does not exist.


Hi there!

:smt039

Nope!

And it isn't an emotional feeling that convinces me, but the actual presence of God that you can feel inside yourself. I wish I could say it's the warm fuzzies... but it isn't... God's that still, small voice that says... "don't do that" or that really unusual feeling that you get when the Spirit says "talk to him now about salvation"

And it isn't "conscience"... because while God is that still, small voice, He is also the empowerment to do things that you had not a conceivable notion of doing, or sometimes even that you didn't know how to do, but the emowerment of God gave the knowledge.

You see, it isn't that God brings ~serapha~ into a conversation, but that the born again Christian has a quickened spirit and that spirit is one with God. That's the reconciliation that someone who has never experienced it, they can't identify with it.


"My soul magnifies the Lord."


~serapha~
 
Re: ?

reznwerks said:
serapha said:
But what caused the big bang and drove this inflation? The question remains unanswered


I guess you just cannot accept the idea that God created the world, radiation an all.


~serapha~
I guess you can't accept the idea of not knowing everything. NOT KNOWING doesn't mean GOD.

Hi there!

:smt039

Any more, our little conversations just make me want to shout.


not at YOU, but to glorifiy God... because you give me so many wonderful opportunities to witness.....

I can accept the idea that I don't know everything.... but I know the One who does.


:smt041 :smt041 :smt041 :smt041 :smt041



:-D
 
serapha said:

Haha...

And it isn't an emotional feeling that convinces me, but the actual presence of God that you can feel inside yourself. I wish I could say it's the warm fuzzies... but it isn't... God's that still, small voice that says... "don't do that" or that really unusual feeling that you get when the Spirit says "talk to him now about salvation"

You mean your conscience.
And it isn't "conscience"... because while God is that still, small voice, He is also the empowerment to do things that you had not a conceivable notion of doing, or sometimes even that you didn't know how to do, but the emowerment of God gave the knowledge.

So you mean your will.

You see, it isn't that God brings ~serapha~ into a conversation, but that the born again Christian has a quickened spirit and that spirit is one with God. That's the reconciliation that someone who has never experienced it, they can't identify with it.

Right..


"My soul magnifies the Lord."


~serapha~[/quote]
 
Asimov said:
serapha said:

Haha...

And it isn't an emotional feeling that convinces me, but the actual presence of God that you can feel inside yourself. I wish I could say it's the warm fuzzies... but it isn't... God's that still, small voice that says... "don't do that" or that really unusual feeling that you get when the Spirit says "talk to him now about salvation"

You mean your conscience.
[quote:1589d]
And it isn't "conscience"... because while God is that still, small voice, He is also the empowerment to do things that you had not a conceivable notion of doing, or sometimes even that you didn't know how to do, but the emowerment of God gave the knowledge.

So you mean your will.

You see, it isn't that God brings ~serapha~ into a conversation, but that the born again Christian has a quickened spirit and that spirit is one with God. That's the reconciliation that someone who has never experienced it, they can't identify with it.

Right..


"My soul magnifies the Lord."


~serapha~[/quote:1589d][/quote]

HI there!

:smt039


Actually, your will and decision making ability concern your soul... when you are reconciled to God, it is your spirit that is communicating with God... and God speaking to your spirit... that isn't your conscience nor does it concern your will. The spirit is separate from the soul.

The very presence of God is with the spirit of man, not the soul, not the intellect, the will, or the decision making.


~serapha~
 
serapha said:
Actually, your will and decision making ability concern your soul... when you are reconciled to God, it is your spirit that is communicating with God... and God speaking to your spirit... that isn't your conscience nor does it concern your will. The spirit is separate from the soul.

The very presence of God is with the spirit of man, not the soul, not the intellect, the will, or the decision making.


~serapha~

So says you, but there is nothing to suggest that you have a soul, or even a spirit.
 
well, here is how i sometiems look at things.

DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE, THIS IS JUST HOW I VIEW IT.

People cant feel their soul, people cant feel their spirit, so, how did they get to know one?
Someone said that they have a spirit and a soul. The bible also said that.
so, seemingly enough, everyone believes them.

People cant see santa, or his sleigh or his reindeer (i am not counting the mall santas)
People tell children that santa gives them presents.
People then use evidence in teh form of books (dating back to 1000ad or earlier id assume.)
so, seemingly enough, everyone believes them.
 
2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

When God speaks only a fool refuses to listen...
 
"The universe is destined to end.


Or change..it could just change into something else.......after all....everything that exists is always there, just hanging around in some form or another, even you....so does it ever end? No, it goes on and on....you are just a bunch of minerals and gas, so you never really leave, you just change back into dust...which is what???? Right! See.... :)

Or you could believe as I do....God will speak the Old Earth and Heaven out of existence and speak a New Heaven and Earth into existance....I like this theory better....All things become new.....NEW...think of that....and a NEW body....I'm for that....tall and lean and young and lovely... :-D
 
huj05 said:
well, here is how i sometiems look at things.

DO NOT TAKE OFFENSE, THIS IS JUST HOW I VIEW IT.

People cant feel their soul, people cant feel their spirit, so, how did they get to know one?
Someone said that they have a spirit and a soul. The bible also said that.
so, seemingly enough, everyone believes them.

People cant see santa, or his sleigh or his reindeer (i am not counting the mall santas)
People tell children that santa gives them presents.
People then use evidence in teh form of books (dating back to 1000ad or earlier id assume.)
so, seemingly enough, everyone believes them.

Intersting you should bring up Santa Claus....The legend is based off of a real person. The Easter bunny is based off a real animal.....and so forth.

People also don't only use the book for evidence.


Marck
 
yes, there was a jesus. there were actually 6 of them around the same time. so i guess they were based off the real people.


I do sorta want to know what kind of presents a REAL rabbit left for kids (cough turds cough) lol

what besides the book do people use?

for each person claiming to have a "close to death almost went to heaven but got called back" experience, there is 1 having a " hmm, i just woke up from a comma of 25 years and dotn knwo jack squat."

Hey, if i woke up from a coma, after 15 years, i would say i saw heaven too. I would lie or whatever to get a few grand...
j/k thats rude, but u know ppl do stupid things for money
 
yes, there was a jesus. there were actually 6 of them around the same time. so i guess they were based off the real people.

I think you pull stuff out of a hat too much.
I've never heard that before.

what besides the book do people use?

Logic, observation, the natural world, sciences, whatever they can.


for each person claiming to have a "close to death almost went to heaven but got called back" experience, there is 1 having a " hmm, i just woke up from a comma of 25 years and dotn knwo jack squat."

Hey, if i woke up from a coma, after 15 years, i would say i saw heaven too. I would lie or whatever to get a few grand...
j/k thats rude, but u know ppl do stupid things for money

Yes, I know.
 
I have not seen much logic that Prooves, christiainty, more, i see logic that disproves it (refer to noahs ark) Science usually contradicts religion (evolution)


I will get you the info on the 6 other jesus's that lived around then.


I see the reason for religion is to explain something science hasnt yet.
It explained evolution, till we discovered it. and it explains how the earth was made, until we can do it with science.


"it is better to know something thats false, than to know nothing at all."
 
I have not seen much logic that Prooves, christiainty

I was talking of God, mostly. Evidence of various kinds is used to support christianity.

more, i see logic that disproves it (refer to noahs ark)

You mean you think logic disproves certain Biblical events, not christianity.

Science usually contradicts religion (evolution)

A lot of the "religious" don't see enough evidence for evolution. Some may be misled, Some accept it. Evolution cannot and does not disprove religion(With some exceptions, I suppose.)


I will get you the info on the 6 other jesus's that lived around then.

Okay. Thank you.

I see the reason for religion is to explain something science hasnt yet.

I see the reason for religion is to explain what science cannot, and is not meant to, explain.

and it explains how the earth was made

It still does. :D

"it is better to know something thats false, than to know nothing at all."

Who is that quoted from?
 
well, some of the points we ar emaking, are basically void. you believing in god and me not believing would never allow us to agree on some of these, so the point of arguing is. well, there isnt.


ohh here you go

Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!


The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yeshua ben Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Ioshu in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:

Jesus ben Sirach. This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophesy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:

"A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."
(Josephus, Wars 6:3)

Arrested and flogged by the Romans, he was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.

Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias. When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.

Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.


Too strange to be a coincidence!

According to the Biblical account, Pilate offered the Jews the release of just one prisoner and the cursed race chose Barabbas rather than gentle Jesus.

But hold on a minute: in the original text studied by Origen (and in some recent ones) the chosen criminal was Jesus Barabbas – and Bar Abba in Hebrew means ‘Son of the Father’!

Are we to believe that Pilate had a Jesus, Son of God and a Jesus, Son of the Father in his prison at the same time??!!

Perhaps the truth is that a single executed criminal helped flesh out the whole fantastic fable. Gospel writers, in scrambling details, used the Aramaic Barabbas knowing that few Latin or Greek speakers would know its meaning.

But was there a crucified Jesus?

Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm

~yes i know, this is an atheist site, not a christian site, but i doubt a christian site would say something like this.~

also, this is not the original place i learned this. I have bene unable (as of yet) to locate the earlier link i had used. That cmae from a more reputable orginization. some college or something
 
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