Butch5
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Yeah.
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The End
- Thread starter Lewis
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Yeah.
Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,but My Father only.
Acts 1:7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
Butch5
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Where do either of these say setting a date is a no no? Jesus told the disciples that no one had known the day or the hour, that doesn't mean no one ever will. Paul said at the last trump the dead in Christ will rise, so Paul knew it would be at the last trump. Daniel gave pretty exact numbers regarding the end days. God gave some pretty exact numbers regarding both of Israels exiles.
If you can see with those 2 verses and reading them literally that we are not to date set....then..I rest my case.
Butch5
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Those passages don't say anything about setting a date. They were statements made to the disciples, not to anyone else. As I said, Paul knew it was at the last trump and Jesus said,
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) (Mat 24:14-15 KJV)
Regarding the end Jesus said read Daniel.
To each their own.
Ya, tell that to Lewis turkeys as I predict they will be out of here this Thursday
..................how's that for being a seer 
Just a thought here. If I am speaking to my daughters and I say something like, "No one knows when I will return from my business trip." Actually, this was common when I worked as a field service technician. Does the fact that I am speaking directly to my daughters mean that only they will not know or does my statement imply nobody knows including my wife, my mother, my neighbor, ....? Actually, when I go on a business trip, I don't even know when I will return.
In like manner, I think Jesus implied that no one, not His disciples, not the gentiles, not Satan, not anyone; not even He himself knows. Only the Father knows. Therefore, it would seem impossible for anyone to set a date and get it right. Well....I suppose if one would live long enough on this earth to be alive when it happens and every day he picks tomorrow as "the day" he will eventually get it right.
th1b.taylor
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I just hope it doesn't happen before I'm dead, I want the whole deal, if the LORD is willing. Of course, I have a leg up on most of you as I lay here, over two years past the date my young, silly, doctor fixed for my death. I just want to go home but the LORD holds the day and I am, likely, a better servant now that He does not need to kick me behind the knees to make me be still and just listen.
Besides, it would, just, be to cool to watch me come out of the grave and fly through the sky, trying to get me back in there!
Besides, it would, just, be to cool to watch me come out of the grave and fly through the sky, trying to get me back in there!
1Co_15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co_15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Butch5
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Hi WIP,
Actually, what Jesus said, is, no has known. He used the perfect tense which speaks of a past event whose results continue to the present, when Jesus made the statement. There's nothing in His statement that says no one will ever know. As I pointed out Jesus Himself said of the end times,
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand (Mat 24:14-15 KJV)
Daniel gives specific numbers on the number of days from the Abomination of Desolation. So, when that happens we know exactly how many days are left. We also know that the Abomination of Desolation can't happen until the temple is rebuilt. So, when will the temple be rebuilt? Well, we know that it won't be rebuilt until after the current exile is over, this times of the Gentiles. According to Leviticus 26 it appears that the current exile will last 1960 years. If that is correct and the current exile began in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed that would put the end of the current exile around 2030, actually, 2029. If that's correct then the temple could be rebuilt any time beginning around 2029.
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Sinthesis
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Jesus was referencing the Jewish marriage custom whereby the groom prepares a place at his father's house for his betrothed bride. It is the father alone who decides when the groom's preparations are complete. Then the father sends the son back to collect his bride for the actual marriage ceremony.
Jesus was referencing the Jewish marriage custom whereby the groom prepares a place at his father's house for his betrothed bride. It is the father alone who decides when the groom's preparations are complete. Then the father sends the son back to collect his bride for the actual marriage ceremony.
we can see Gods completion, but not His actual timing of it being finished nor the timing as in days and years when Christ will return.
BigSodaExposer
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Man all you have to do is open your eyes and look around awhile and do some research to know what time you are in. The noon day sun is white, not yellow like the 80s. I have saw sun darkening on most days. Many nights I cannot find the moon. Its amazing to me people are so oblivious.
Mathew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
Luke 21:25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;"
Mark 13:24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,"
Ezekiel 32:7 "And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light."
Joel 2:30-31 "30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come."
Joel 3:15 "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."
Isaiah 13:10 "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."
Acts 2:19-20 "19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come."
Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
Revelation 8:12 "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."
Ecclesiastes 12:2 "While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:"
Bright White Son -
"Isaiah 30:26 "Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound."
Mathew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
Luke 21:25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;"
Mark 13:24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,"
Ezekiel 32:7 "And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light."
Joel 2:30-31 "30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come."
Joel 3:15 "The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."
Isaiah 13:10 "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine."
Acts 2:19-20 "19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come."
Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
Revelation 8:12 "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."
Ecclesiastes 12:2 "While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:"
Bright White Son -
"Isaiah 30:26 "Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound."