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The Final Debate

Rollo Tamasi

Rollo Tamasi

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Revelation 20:7-10;

This time in history appears to come upon and pass quickly, we don't know for sure.
But satan deceives the world, in number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Now the world has just spent 1000 years without being tempted by satan and enjoying peace.

What is his final debate that turns the world against God?

Does scripture tell us?
 
allenwynne said:
Revelation 20:7-10;

This time in history appears to come upon and pass quickly, we don't know for sure.
But satan deceives the world, in number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Now the world has just spent 1000 years without being tempted by satan and enjoying peace."
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Most of us do not agree with the premise of your question....ie.....that satan has not tempted anyone for a 1000 years. If, however, you look at history in that way....ie.....Satan being chained for 1000 actual years.......Then you'd probably have to pick the period between Jesus crucifixtion and the year 1033. Why?
Because it makes sense that the One binding Satan would be the coming of the Holy Spirit..........or Jesus "leading captivity captive".....and it would also make sense that God would protect the young plant (of the new Church) He had planted.

Yet, with all the martyrs and obvious Satanic attempts to erradicate the early Church....this is NOT a plausible scenerio. And with all the obvious attempts to erradicate the Jewish people throughout history.....we can hardly see a time where Satan was not around....ie....the Holocaust and the Muslim nations surrounding, promising to destroy Israel today.

Now.....as for your "What is his final debate that turns the world against God?"

People are not swayed today by intellectual ideas....as by emotions......Thus the Devil's "debate" is to train us to live an ego-centered, "god-free" lives of good feelings that achieve wicked purposes.
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allenwynne said:
Revelation 20:7-10;

This time in history appears to come upon and pass quickly, we don't know for sure.
But satan deceives the world, in number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Now the world has just spent 1000 years without being tempted by satan and enjoying peace.

What is his final debate that turns the world against God?

Does scripture tell us?
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1 Corinthians 15:20-26

King James Version (KJV)

<sup class="versenum">20</sup>But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
<sup class="versenum">23 </sup>But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
<sup class="versenum">24 </sup>Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
<sup class="versenum">25</sup>For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
<sup class="versenum">26 </sup>The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Jesus died and rose, He has been reigning ever since. He will continue to reign until He puts ALL enemies under His feet and then He comes for us. At that time He will deliver the kingdom, to the Father.

I see that we are His kingdom, a kingdom is nothing without subjects and a king. He continues through the spreading of His gospel to gather many into His kingdom.

I don't see that this is talking about the secular world. Evil will continue in the secular world but in His kingdom He has been given all power and glory. He is our Mediator and Protector.

To say that the word "thousand" means a literal thousand years I think, is to make an assumption. I don't know for sure....
I been looking at the Hebrew and Greek and how this word is used. It is used a lot to just mean "many", or a long period of time, it does not always mean (1) thousand as it does in English. In fact, YLT, translates it as "thousands years" but I don't think the makes a difference. No where in scripture is it called "the millennium", thus given this time period a name.
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 
What I think revelations means in this case is that Jesus gave his sacrifice and after through the time after his sacrifice, once those that have allied with Jesus/god have been noted and those that won't are figured out, Satan will come forth and lead those through the anti-Christ. God will smite all those that ally with the anti Christ and those that allied with him will inherit the kingdom.

Its not really a debate, its just the message played out. Accept Jesus's sacrifice, devout yourself to God and praise his name. Those that don't will best sent to the fire.

That is really all I think this passage means.
 
Revelation 20:2;

"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or satan, and bound him for a thousand years".
However much time that is, the fact remains that people live without the temptation of the devil.
Life will be different.

Will the final debate be the same, "you will be as God", or will his ploy be something else?
 
mbs the ac isn't mentioned in that book, if he is there then he isn't in any position to lead since that verse is after the millennium. most pre mils would agree that the ac is gone by this event.
 
allenwynne said:
Will the final debate be the same, "you will be as God", or will his ploy be something else?
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Well I think satan, wanted to be God and still does and will until he is destroyed.

From the very begining he has tried to stop God works for His people. He understood the Messiah, hidden in the prophecies and he understood that if that happened he would be destroyed.
So he silenced the prophets, sent Herod to kill Him, tempted Him, crucified Him. He continues to kill the disciples, tempt the disciples and kill them if he can. Make them sick, etc. Anything to keep us from spreading the Gospel and growing the kingdom. He tries to take our financial resources so that we will be concerned with the care of our families, not be able to help others, take care of our churches and support missions.
Well, it isn't going to work because we have a reigning King who has the power of the Almighty God behind Him.
I don't think he's got anything he hasn't already tried but he will keep on, he is pure evil, he knows nothing else.

But we know he has already been judged.
 
jasoncran said:
mbs the ac isn't mentioned in that book, if he is there then he isn't in any position to lead since that verse is after the millennium. most pre mils would agree that the ac is gone by this event.
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Ah, I was giving my opinion based on the logical outcome. To me Revelations is mostly metaphor and shouldn't be seen as completely literal ( this is my personal position on it). Mainly due to if it was a literal Millennium, The time has already passes since Jesus's sacrifice. Its already been over a thousand years. That is why I think in the context of the Bible its just a meaning of when the message has been completely spread. As I have already stated I don't think there is really going to be an apocalypse between God and Satan, but I respect those that do think that.

Just giving my 2 cents on the subjects based on its context.
 
revalation isn't a metaphor,. but the well jewish thoughts and descriptions of what they saw in the tanach. its merely a connection to the CHRIST for the believing jew of then. This doesn't mean that it has no prophecy to it or that it was fulfilled just that you have to understand jewish liturgy to see.

ie the wheels in Ezekiel are in reference to the tabernacle. the jews then and today correctly see the torah and the tabernacle being in heaven.
 
I have wondered this same question, and what I found of interest is that there is some very simular wording within Joshua at the end when the nations were almost finished. As well there is an account in Ezek with Gog of Magog. Both accounts are about groups of men wanting to either maintain their human kindgoms or restore them. Thus I feel these accounts could be a hint that at the end of the 1000's years some people begin to want to restore the world of men that does not have all men as equal before God, some wanting to be higher over their brothers, to be 'God' over others.

Digging
 
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